X800 Series does not support Win9X ?

ken1971 · May 27, 2004

Just know my pre-ordered ATI X800 Pro card may not support Win9x OS. I browse thru ATI web and found that the OS the card supported be merely Win2K/XP only. This puzzles me as I don't like to spend one more bucks on the Windows.
Any help?

TheRod · May 27, 2004

Get a pirated copy of WinXP... Oups! I should not suggest this here.

It's amazing that in 2004 someone who wants to buy a X800 still have Win9x. This OS is so old/unstable. By the way, many new stuff (the new Intel socket for example) will not support it anymore. So, it's time to upgrade I think.

If you buy an X800, you have the hardwaretu run Win2000/XP very well, I know you don't want to give money to MS, and if you don't want to. Get a copy of WinXP and if you want to be "fully legit", use your Windows 2000/XP license at home. It's something that can be done. I know lot of people that do this.

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ken1971 · May 27, 2004

My point is : it's a waste of money to spend on the OS especially when the only function of it is a platform for the PC games (in my situation).
It's a matter of customer care though I (being the customer) recklessly ignore the manual posted on the web.
I do think it also a matter of driver and ATI wish to jump over it !!!

TheRod · May 27, 2004

Microsoft Win9x support article : ;LifeAn1]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[LN];LifeAn1
Microsoft decided to extend Win9x support until 2006.

I will not blame any company to not support this OS anymore, because it's old and usually people that buy new hardware are running Win2000/XP.

I will not argue that Win9x can't get the job done! It can do it pretty well, but I strongly recommend you an upgrade. If you don't want to pay, there is tons of way to not pay for a MS license. And there is legit way to do it. As I stated in my last post, using the license you use at work it's not a problem.

At home, I have a a laptop and a desktop. My laptop came with a Windows XP license. So I "use" it on my 2 PC, I know it's not legal, but I don't feel bad at all doing this. I paid the license one and I pay for the games I play more than a few days...

But everyone have a different opinion about this issue.

By the way, if ATI put Win2000/XP in their minimum requirements for the X800, you can't blame them and you can't say you didn't knew it.

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phial · May 27, 2004

i agree, Win9x computers are generally not fast enough to use a x800pro , so why spend precious time writing drivers for it.

but, even if the % of customers using win9x/ME is as low as 15% , thats a large amount to stop supporting, and i cant see it being any lower than that. not really impressed by this to say the least

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TheGreatGrapeApe · May 27, 2004

Actually the main issue is support. Since MS initially dropped support for Win98x (95 would be useless), ATI didn't plan on supporting it either as it's extra time/effort/expense for something that is slowly fading into oblivion in the cutting edge marketplace.

MS may have changed their poisition on support, but really as has been pointed out a 98 platform isn't really a forward looking platform so like so many other things out there the requirement for 2k or XP is realistic. I expect to see games say the very same thing in a while too. Modern games already list SE as a requirement, and don't mention W95 at all. The same will happen with all of 98(including SE). It's really not surprising, the memory limitations of 98 alone make it restricitve.

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eden · May 27, 2004

Agreed.

Yeah, 98 has pretty bad memory management as it is, and it simply doesn't have a good memory structure like NT. Expect it to become even harder once 512MB cards or games come out, ya know? IIRC 512MB was already stepping over the stability of the memory management in 98.

I personally think it's a good idea ATi is moving forward. Even if 15% of the population uses 98, the majority of that amount will not upgrade to such a card on their system as it is arguably a cheap one or outdated one. There is no computer in any OEM PC out there IIRC, that now won't ship with XP anyways. Forget ME too!
BTW I personally wonder if just because Win95 is not listen in a game's reqs, it wouldn't work. 95 and 98 are pretty damn similar really.

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HardWareBoss · May 27, 2004

Time to upgrade your old OS.

cleeve · May 27, 2004

Aside from the politics, XP is really MUCH more stable than 95/98/98se/Me will ever hope to be.

If you spend any time at all in front of a computer screen, throw 98 away and never look back. I promise you will not regret it.

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eden · May 27, 2004

I am still wondering how some can claim they configured and tweaked 98 so much that it never crashes.

What are you running anyways, Minesweeper?!

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cleeve · May 27, 2004

It's easy to keep 98 from crashing: just elect to manually reboot every 2 minutes.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · May 27, 2004

There are ram recovery programs that help, ALOT!

But still I would crash at least 1 every week or two, maybe three.

We do have some computers here at work that run 24/7 365 on Win98, but they are terminal emulators for the deaf and hard of hearing, not really resource hogs (heck they could run on a 286 I bet).

But for day to day normal people's use, 98 is very long in the tooth.

Get an OEM Upgrade version of home (you can upgrade from 98SE [not regular 98, the b@stUrds!]), it should be relatively cheap. Heck I can get XP pro at the Univ for just over $100CDN for the educational version.

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phial · May 28, 2004

when i was running 98se on my old duron, i had to reboot whenever i switched from one game to the next. suck.

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Crashman · May 28, 2004

98SE isn't unstable, it just took a bad rap because of your unstable hardware.

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Crashman · May 28, 2004

Lies, you can't have better than 100% stability, which is what I got with 98SE. Every day I use XP I regret the fact that 98SE wasn't properly supported by my drivers and programs.

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entium · May 28, 2004

win 98se is a very stable system, it was win ME that gave it a bad rap.

The only reason I switched to xp pro was because of the driver support, wasn't able to run VS.NET 2003 with 98

dhlucke · May 28, 2004

We're back on this topic again!?! ARG!

Anyone else besides crash get good stability with 98se?

Upgrading to 2K or XP is free if you want to download it, very cheap if you're a student, and cheap if you buy it OEM with a paperclip.

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confoundicator · May 28, 2004

I had 100% stability with win98se for years between the crashes, which happened every couple of days or so.

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eden · May 28, 2004

I dunno man, my dad's 750MHZ P3 laptop uses good Intel hardware with an ATi Rage mobility, and Crystal Sound Fusion sound. It's just so bad at resource management, that when using Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop and Flash at the same time, it's gone. I get white dialog boxes, ya know, the kind that appear once the system is seriously low on resources and HAS to terminate programs.

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eden · May 28, 2004

Were you playing intensive 16-bit games from Win 3.1 by any chance? :tongue:

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Crashman · May 28, 2004

Yeh, I did have a little problem, after around 2.5 months of running my brute force, the system was running so slow I decided to reboot it.

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coolsquirtle · May 28, 2004

i think all ur reasons make sense but IMO the main reason ATi is going to stop supporting win 9x is because of

PCI-EX
there's gonna be a X800 PCI-EX version, i'll be damned if Windows 98 supports PCI-EX. even if it did, it would suck so bad = = like USB 2.0 lolz

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HardWareBoss · May 28, 2004

I did

entium · May 28, 2004

Its not that it didn't crash, compared to 95 it was god send lol. But with xp's gapping holes, security was really more of the issue

davepermen · May 28, 2004

98SE isn't unstable, it just took a bad rap because of your unstable hardware.

no, because of its inability to prevent itself from crashing because of hardware exceptions (wich are common, wich are well defined, and every ordinary os can handle them).

as well its inability to wrap each application, and each driver, into a logical unit 100% removable at runtime (yes, gpu drivers are un-install-and-installable at runtime without reboot! not the ati/nvidia ones, but others do).

if an application has a bug (very common), and tries to access wrong memory, it can do that, in DOS apps (win9x is a dosapp). sometimes the memory is marked reserved, in some way, and it results in an ordinary app crash, or a bluescreen. sometimes it doesnt, and just writes onto it. i accidentally have written onto the icon-buffer of the os once (i targeted the screen-buffer but i failed

). result was, no os-icons, and some other skin-parts (winamp, too), had their original icons, instead, they had my colourful garbage..

after some time, i got a bluescreen of death, and [-peep-] my open files with it (means not not having saved the latest stuff. means [-peep-] THEM. half of my code went byebye). looks like i've not only hit the icons, but some serious os-code, too..

no, and i repeat, NO os running on top of DOS real mode, can EVER, EVER considered stable or save. not in any form.

unstable hw [-peep-] every os. take out the hd, or some ram, and look how perfectly the linux server still runs

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