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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 6:44:02 AM

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When checking the status of drive C:, I am told that 27.5 GB has been used,
however this is about 4GB higher than before with no apparent reason. The
only change was adding PC-cillin to my computer. The really strange part
though is that when I check the C: drive folder by folder, the total used
space is only 23 GB, what I would expect. Does anyone know what is going on?

thanks

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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 5:05:40 PM

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You cannot verify space usage via a folder by folder . Notice that there are
two sizes listed for each folder and file e.g. "file size" and "size on
disk" - housekeeping functions can account for size variation - following is
a good reference:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273588

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AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky N. Ft.
Myers, FL
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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 5:05:41 PM

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Also, is there "housekeeping" functions thta would clear up the discrepancy?
I have run Check disc, cleanup and defrag

"Al Romanosky" wrote:

> You cannot verify space usage via a folder by folder . Notice that there are
> two sizes listed for each folder and file e.g. "file size" and "size on
> disk" - housekeeping functions can account for size variation - following is
> a good reference:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273588
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky N. Ft.
> Myers, FL
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 5:05:41 PM

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Hi Al,

Would the difference be so high, about 20%, also, I am a bit suspicious that
some "used space" is not accurate because it jumped up by sevarl GB when I
got rid of Mcaffee, and installed PC-cillin.

What do you think

thanks

Chris

"Al Romanosky" wrote:

> You cannot verify space usage via a folder by folder . Notice that there are
> two sizes listed for each folder and file e.g. "file size" and "size on
> disk" - housekeeping functions can account for size variation - following is
> a good reference:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273588
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky N. Ft.
> Myers, FL
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 6:13:57 PM

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Differences in size (according to Microsoft) will vary... some factors
involved are: File permission, Hidden system files and Hardware
configurations and space used by temp files generated by background
programs- some utilities such as anti-virus are notorious resource "hogs".
There are size variations also due to size notation: as you know one KB is
1024 bytes- usually reported as 1 kb. IK - in other words a 600 mb CD
actually has approx 614,400,000 bytes not 600,000,000 as reported. (Whew!)
you can see the effect at the gigabyte range.


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AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky N. Ft.
Myers, FL
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Anonymous
April 28, 2005 7:00:38 PM

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Try in System Properties check the pagefile size. Default settings are 1.5*
Your RAM. So if U have 1GB= +1,5 GB used but hide (but U can see it in
properties) You can set it manually.

Use Ace Utilities and option: Protect => Wipe Deleted File Data. It deletes
the space used by deleted items, and erases the real, not logical, data.

Hope it will help
Paula Januszkiewicz

U¿ytkownik "christoforest" <christoforest@discussions.microsoft.com> napisa³
w wiadomo¶ci news:068AA032-15C8-41F0-8346-41C4E1E44CDC@microsoft.com...
> When checking the status of drive C:, I am told that 27.5 GB has been
used,
> however this is about 4GB higher than before with no apparent reason. The
> only change was adding PC-cillin to my computer. The really strange part
> though is that when I check the C: drive folder by folder, the total used
> space is only 23 GB, what I would expect. Does anyone know what is going
on?
>
> thanks
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 7:00:39 PM

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Hi Paula,

Thanks for the suggestions. Sorry but I am a real neophyte with this. What
is Ace Utilities? Also, I have 512MB RAM, so if the page file were set to
1.5, that would only give me a 250 MB difference overall, I think, is that
correct?

Chris

"Paula Januszkiewicz" wrote:

> Try in System Properties check the pagefile size. Default settings are 1.5*
> Your RAM. So if U have 1GB= +1,5 GB used but hide (but U can see it in
> properties) You can set it manually.
>
> Use Ace Utilities and option: Protect => Wipe Deleted File Data. It deletes
> the space used by deleted items, and erases the real, not logical, data.
>
> Hope it will help
> Paula Januszkiewicz
>
> U¿ytkownik "christoforest" <christoforest@discussions.microsoft.com> napisa³
> w wiadomo¶ci news:068AA032-15C8-41F0-8346-41C4E1E44CDC@microsoft.com...
> > When checking the status of drive C:, I am told that 27.5 GB has been
> used,
> > however this is about 4GB higher than before with no apparent reason. The
> > only change was adding PC-cillin to my computer. The really strange part
> > though is that when I check the C: drive folder by folder, the total used
> > space is only 23 GB, what I would expect. Does anyone know what is going
> on?
> >
> > thanks
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 28, 2005 7:08:02 PM

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Ok, I used Ace utilities, and wiped out the deleted files and the problem was
fixed!

thanks

Chris

"Paula Januszkiewicz" wrote:

> Try in System Properties check the pagefile size. Default settings are 1.5*
> Your RAM. So if U have 1GB= +1,5 GB used but hide (but U can see it in
> properties) You can set it manually.
>
> Use Ace Utilities and option: Protect => Wipe Deleted File Data. It deletes
> the space used by deleted items, and erases the real, not logical, data.
>
> Hope it will help
> Paula Januszkiewicz
>
> U¿ytkownik "christoforest" <christoforest@discussions.microsoft.com> napisa³
> w wiadomo¶ci news:068AA032-15C8-41F0-8346-41C4E1E44CDC@microsoft.com...
> > When checking the status of drive C:, I am told that 27.5 GB has been
> used,
> > however this is about 4GB higher than before with no apparent reason. The
> > only change was adding PC-cillin to my computer. The really strange part
> > though is that when I check the C: drive folder by folder, the total used
> > space is only 23 GB, what I would expect. Does anyone know what is going
> on?
> >
> > thanks
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 3:20:15 AM

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ACE Util. it's a program that can be downloaded here:
http://www.acelogix.com/.
Nice soft :) 

Problem is, what U are looking at? When U choose properties of all folders,
on your system partition, from the popup menu. U should look for 2
positions:

1. Size
2. Size on Disk (I'm not sure if it sounds like a say, I have a polish
system, but the context is similar)

Ad1. This is a real size of your file.
Ad2. Depends on your file system (FAT32, NTFS, FAT and so on). For example U
have on your HDD clusters 4kB, and you have a 1 kB file to save, the real
size of it is 1kB, but on your hdd U have to write it into one cluster
(4kB), and then U have only one file for one cluster, so these 3 kB are
marked as "written" and they are logically "lost". There are some 3rd party
tools that can change this what U are talking about: real size= logical
size, during formatting change the size of cluster:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q314878

Quite tricky, there is another situation, which U may be interested in:
producers use to tell about unreal capacity, they count: 1000B=1KB,
1000KB=1MB and1000MB=1GB and so on. U know that is like this: 1GB to
it's1024MB, MB it's1024KB...
So when U have 40GB HDD it means, that U have 39062500KB = 38146,9MB = 37,2
GB.

Remember that paging file (if U have default it is: 768MB) and other
important system files are hidden. PF is not included into the size report
in properties. So if U think that U can f.ex. 768 mb free on your system
partition, and U see the message that U are running put of space, dont worry
:)  then U will know what is going on :) .

Hope it helped.
Paula Januszkiewicz
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 3:20:16 AM

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ace did the trick, thanks!

"Paula Januszkiewicz" wrote:

> ACE Util. it's a program that can be downloaded here:
> http://www.acelogix.com/.
> Nice soft :) 
>
> Problem is, what U are looking at? When U choose properties of all folders,
> on your system partition, from the popup menu. U should look for 2
> positions:
>
> 1. Size
> 2. Size on Disk (I'm not sure if it sounds like a say, I have a polish
> system, but the context is similar)
>
> Ad1. This is a real size of your file.
> Ad2. Depends on your file system (FAT32, NTFS, FAT and so on). For example U
> have on your HDD clusters 4kB, and you have a 1 kB file to save, the real
> size of it is 1kB, but on your hdd U have to write it into one cluster
> (4kB), and then U have only one file for one cluster, so these 3 kB are
> marked as "written" and they are logically "lost". There are some 3rd party
> tools that can change this what U are talking about: real size= logical
> size, during formatting change the size of cluster:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q314878
>
> Quite tricky, there is another situation, which U may be interested in:
> producers use to tell about unreal capacity, they count: 1000B=1KB,
> 1000KB=1MB and1000MB=1GB and so on. U know that is like this: 1GB to
> it's1024MB, MB it's1024KB...
> So when U have 40GB HDD it means, that U have 39062500KB = 38146,9MB = 37,2
> GB.
>
> Remember that paging file (if U have default it is: 768MB) and other
> important system files are hidden. PF is not included into the size report
> in properties. So if U think that U can f.ex. 768 mb free on your system
> partition, and U see the message that U are running put of space, dont worry
> :)  then U will know what is going on :) .
>
> Hope it helped.
> Paula Januszkiewicz
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
April 29, 2005 10:04:37 AM

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No problem :) 

U¿ytkownik "christoforest" <christoforest@discussions.microsoft.com> napisa³
w wiadomo¶ci news:A9A7A189-7F17-449D-AF72-882BE9E38727@microsoft.com...
> ace did the trick, thanks!
>
> "Paula Januszkiewicz" wrote:
>
> > ACE Util. it's a program that can be downloaded here:
> > http://www.acelogix.com/.
> > Nice soft :) 
> >
> > Problem is, what U are looking at? When U choose properties of all
folders,
> > on your system partition, from the popup menu. U should look for 2
> > positions:
> >
> > 1. Size
> > 2. Size on Disk (I'm not sure if it sounds like a say, I have a polish
> > system, but the context is similar)
> >
> > Ad1. This is a real size of your file.
> > Ad2. Depends on your file system (FAT32, NTFS, FAT and so on). For
example U
> > have on your HDD clusters 4kB, and you have a 1 kB file to save, the
real
> > size of it is 1kB, but on your hdd U have to write it into one cluster
> > (4kB), and then U have only one file for one cluster, so these 3 kB are
> > marked as "written" and they are logically "lost". There are some 3rd
party
> > tools that can change this what U are talking about: real size= logical
> > size, during formatting change the size of cluster:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q314878
> >
> > Quite tricky, there is another situation, which U may be interested in:
> > producers use to tell about unreal capacity, they count: 1000B=1KB,
> > 1000KB=1MB and1000MB=1GB and so on. U know that is like this: 1GB to
> > it's1024MB, MB it's1024KB...
> > So when U have 40GB HDD it means, that U have 39062500KB = 38146,9MB =
37,2
> > GB.
> >
> > Remember that paging file (if U have default it is: 768MB) and other
> > important system files are hidden. PF is not included into the size
report
> > in properties. So if U think that U can f.ex. 768 mb free on your system
> > partition, and U see the message that U are running put of space, dont
worry
> > :)  then U will know what is going on :) .
> >
> > Hope it helped.
> > Paula Januszkiewicz
> >
> >
> >
> >
!