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June 6, 2004 7:31:18 PM

OK my new computer is built! No problems so far but i need some advice. ok here goes:

1. Currently my 2500 athlon-m is at a 200 fsb with a 11.5 multi, so im at 2300 mhz, at FULL LOAD im at 46C, should i push it farther? if not then il be happy with my 500 MHZ oc

2. The fan atop the heatsink should be blowing ONTO the heatsink correct?

3. The case fan under the PSU and near the CPU should be for exhaust correct?

4. I am transfering data from my old hard drive to my new one, but it wont let me access the information on it due to the fact that my old account was an admin account so it is protecting it, what can i do to solve this and get my data?

5. GF 6800 U or X800XT, please no flame war, just tell me which one, oh and i have a 400W PSU.

6. I read slavas opt. guide , nice work slava, but i didnt see any freeware versions of anti virus, do you guys now of any?

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June 6, 2004 7:33:45 PM

1. Push it further, however watch your vcore, if it require huge jumps then don't.

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. You can just use Norton Ghost to clone your original drive

5. Can't comment on that 6800Ultra not released yet, and controversy over ATI's optimizations

6. Pirate Norton 2004

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June 6, 2004 8:09:43 PM

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4. I am transferring data from my old hard drive to my new one, but it wont let me access the information on it due to the fact that my old account was an admin account so it is protecting it, what can i do to solve this and get my data?

Your info is insufficient to suggest an exact solution.

What exactly do you mean it won't let you access the info on the old hard drive?

I assume you don't have Ghost :o ) and you don't want to buy it. I also assume WinXP is installed on your new hard drive. So you now have the OS installed on both hard drives?

Check the following:

1. Do you see the old hard drive in the device manager? If you do not, are your new hard drive jumpers set to Master or Cable Select? Are your old hard drive jumpers set to Slave or Cable Select? It should be either Master(new disk)/Slave(old disk) or Cable Select/Cable Select. Cable Select is recommended for both drives but then you must make sure that the secondary disk is hooked up to the middle connector on your IDE cable. Cable Select jumper settings are designated on your hard drive jumper chart as CS.

2. If you see the old hard drive in the device manager, do you see the folders/files on the old hard drive in Windows Explorer? If you see the folders you should be able to copy them them. If you cannot, try going in the folder Properties and taking ownership of them as the new Admin.

3. If you do not see the folders, mmm, have you formatted the old disk by accident? was your previous OS NEWER than the current one? If you had WinX, for example, but now you installed Win98SE, you will not see anything on the old hard drive because file systems are different and Win98 is not forward compatible.

(Dammit, when will ppl start describing their problems in detail?)

4. What exactly won't Windows let you access? If you are trying to copy your old Windows folder over the new one, well, lol you will NEVER be able to do this (not in Windows anyway) and you SHOULDN'T! :lol: 

5. What error messages are you getting, if any?

<font color=green>"The creative powers of English morphology are pathetic compared to what we find in other languages." (Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct)</font color=green> :cool:
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June 6, 2004 8:27:14 PM

LOL, You are right, of course. I've never seen a problem like that myself and I just thought it inappropriate to openly suggest on these boards that someone pirate software :smile:

<font color=green>"The creative powers of English morphology are pathetic compared to what we find in other languages." (Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct)</font color=green> :cool:
June 6, 2004 8:33:02 PM

:wink: (hands scottchen a beer)

<font color=green>"The creative powers of English morphology are pathetic compared to what we find in other languages." (Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct)</font color=green> :cool:
June 6, 2004 8:40:48 PM

Ok sorry, i should have elaboratted.

I have two harddrives, the second(old) HD is correctly slaved to my new one. I see all my old folders and subfolders in windows explorer. my problem:

i can copy everything from my old hard drive except folders under my OLD account. i think its because i had all my data on my old account secured so that only the person logged onto my name would be able to delete/write those files.

this is the error message when i go to drive(E) [old harddrive] > Documents and Settings > Shaun (old admin account) :
"E:\Documents and Settings\Shaun\Desktop is not accessible.

Access is denied"

thing is, i had ripped this dj tiesto cd and had put the folder that had all the mp3's onto my desktop, so i need that folder. -tia
June 6, 2004 8:50:08 PM

hey scottchen, do you use newsgroups? i have a 6Mb/sec server so if you could hook it up with the group that might have ghost that would be awesome.. oh and i forgot ot thank yall for the original advice and now that my cpu is burned in its actually pushing around 51 at load. should i still go farther? im at 1.7vcore
June 6, 2004 9:40:08 PM

GeForce 6800 Ultra :D 

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June 6, 2004 9:57:44 PM

1) don't push it further without a water cooling device

2) yes

3) yes

4) transfer from dos (use a windows xp start up disk) Norton ghost is good too just depends on if you comfortable with dos or not

5) 6800 gt when it comes out (best card for the money)

6) AVG grisoft its as good as norton without the other program interactions
June 6, 2004 10:20:59 PM

Sorry I don't use newsgroup. Only 1.7Vcore, your temp's slipping into the high side now, so don't go any higher unless you got better cooling. But If I were you i'd keep going higher, i'd push the 1.75Vcore, and keep my temp under 60C. But ignore my second thought.

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June 7, 2004 12:06:05 AM

well heres my OCing update:

im at 200 X 12.5 rock solid, still at 1.7 , at idle im at 50C, full load around 55C <>so 700 mhz on air.. i love amd :p 

oh and im getting 17000 on 3dmark 2001 give or take 10 with my non OC'ed aiw 9700p

I was also thinking of the 6800 gt, but what i want to see are some benchmarks using the new drivers that everyone is talking about. Have any of you guys seen any?
June 7, 2004 12:28:57 AM

Any luck with the hard drive? Here's another thought: Why don't you create an identical administrative account (Shaun) on the new hard drive with the same credentials and permissions as you had on the old hard drive? ...

<font color=green>"The creative powers of English morphology are pathetic compared to what we find in other languages." (Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct)</font color=green> :cool:
June 7, 2004 1:10:07 AM

I havent gotten around to doing that yet cause im lazy, but i think they will still be different no matter what i do
June 7, 2004 12:42:58 PM

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i didnt see any freeware versions of anti virus, do you guys now of any?

AVG is the best free AV, but I don't recommend it, it lack many great features and is not the best at Virus Detection/Removal you can still get infected with it installed. I tried it for a coupe of month and I went back to Norton AV.

One good thing to have is a software firewall. Which stops many Virus and attack. I strongly recommends you ZoneAlarm (non PRO) from ZoneLabs. It's free, user-friendly and it's one of the most secure/effective firewall.

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June 7, 2004 1:33:47 PM

The problem with online Anti-Virus is that if one Virus hog your internet connection or your internet connection is down! You can't scan your PC! This kind of online service is not very efficient. The best PC security is when it's run in the PC or the local network, not the Internet!

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June 7, 2004 6:03:48 PM

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All Internet security programs are g@y, i believe the best solution is probably router+NAV.

Wow! What an argument!

I don't agree. Good software firewall are very effective at securing a PC. It's a good way to get preotected even if your Windows is not 100% patched. The problem with security software is that most users don't understand how to use them effectively.

I'm a telecomm professional and I fully understand the importantce of PC security. Routers can be effective at security too, but they can't do anything against internal attack/hack. So, if you connect a PC in your LAN that is infected with something, it might infect the other PC even if you have a router that is well configured. And a crouter that is not configured securely can be a big "HOLE" or exploits to hackers/attackers.

But, of course, if you have a good control on who is connecting to your local network and a router that is well configured. You don't have to worry, because the routers will surely block most the attack and your PC anti-virus will de the rest of the job at keeping you safe.

If those Internet Security programs were so bad, no one would use them. In fact, my ZoneAlarm even help out finding new threats and attackers via a third-party software called MyNetWatchman who collects firewalls/routers logs and warns ISP when someone repeadetly attacks other users.

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June 7, 2004 6:33:53 PM

Internet Security programs always screws up all my multiplayer games, i couldn't connect just period. And since games' all i care about, so they're useless to me. And i've noticed that the symantec product loves to slow down internet connection, a couple days ago a customer's computer had Symantec NIS and NAV, and she had 56k... AHH internet was SLOW!! The computer wasn't bad a 1.8Duron with 384mb SDram. Spybot was downloading at 2k/s from download.com, which i know could go up to 300k/s at least on broadband. I'm sure if you have broadband IS programs aren't that bad, slowing you down by a little, but on dial up they're unusable. So now we just don't recommend IS programs anymore for 56k, for broadband we just recommend the cheap Dlink Router the DI604, it's not much more than OEM NIS.


So our recommendations for most users for security is router+NAV+adaware+Spybot+google toolbar.

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June 7, 2004 7:04:22 PM

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Internet Security programs always screws up all my multiplayer games, i couldn't connect just period.

I can only say one thing to you : you don't know how to configure the software or the software you use is CRAP. ZoneAlarm have no problem at all with online gaming, it can handle game hosting too pretty well. My ZoneAlarm is uptime 24/7 I never shut it down to let aprogram or game runs, because they all work. It's just a matter of config. And ZoneAlarm is easy to configure You have 4 options : allow/Block internet access, allow/block internet server (ALLOW for multiplayer games), Allow block LAN access and allow/block LAN server. t could not be simpler.

I don't know much about Norton IS, but it sounds CRAP. Please, don't tell anyone that all firewall are CRAP because one of those program is not good.

Zone Alarm (non PRO) is free for home users. But, I understand you, you don't want to have all those support calls from software firewall users, it's time consuming and it's not giving any money! It's easier to support Router users that plug it and forget about it! :smile: Business is business.

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June 7, 2004 8:09:02 PM

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The only one we sell is NIS so...

Why do you sell it, if you don't like it/recommend it?

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We never recommend any freeware software firewall

You don't make money with free software, it is why you never recommend them? :smile:

There is very good free software out there. The one that I strougly recommends to anyone who is low on budget and don't want to be illegal it's OpenOffice.org 1.1 that can replace MS-Office pretty well and it cost nothing.

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June 7, 2004 8:11:54 PM

We always carry it because some people wants it. They just got the idea hammered into their heads, like people just WANTS the 9200se with 256mb of ram, because some dumb@ss somewhere told them it's a good card, people are arrogant but oh well, they end up suffering, complaining and blame everything on us.

We don't want people calling us about how to use a program which we didn't sell.

Now what's a good program for somebody on a low budget that wants to be illegal?

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June 7, 2004 8:21:45 PM

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We always carry it because some people wants it. They just got the idea hammered into their heads, like people just WANTS the 9200se with 256mb of ram, because some dumb@ss somewhere told them it's a good card, people are arrogant but oh well, they end up suffering, complaining and blame everything on us.

I understand you 100%. I worked for a PC store about 7-8 years ago. And it was amazing to hear people! Wow! The most abvious customer was someone who absolutly wanted to buy a Compaq PC nothing else. Even if we had both Compaq and "home-build" side by side running the same games/apps. The home-build was much faster for the price (basically more ram / faster HDD / less crappy software in the backgroud), but the guy wanted the Compaq. He bought it! I couldn't belive it... At that time, this was a lot of money!

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We don't want people calling us about how to use a program which we didn't sell.

HE HE HE! I remember a woman that called me, because Windows was stuck on the "Wait before shutdown" screen. She didn't want to reset the computer, she was afraid to break it of void the warranty, It took me 5 minutes to convince her to do so. I won!!! She turn off the PC and boot it back! Wow! She was amazed to see it working again! :smile:

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Now what's a good program for somebody on a low budget that wants to be illegal?

Any high-end programs like 3D Studio MAX, Maya, Adobe products... And of course, some MS software can't hurt!

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June 7, 2004 8:41:19 PM

Okay here's the one that pissed me off the most...

A guy named blah calls me, and starts yelling at me telling me that his internet isn't working, okay first of all, why the hell did he call me? We're not his ISP, but since he bought the comp from us i tried to help him. His problem was that he can't connect to the internet, so i ask him if he's using dial up or broadband, he said dial up. Okay, so i asked him if he's using a dedicate line for the internet and does he hear the weird noises when he connects, he told me yes he has dedicated line, and no he doesn't hear the noise. Then he startes yelling again telling me it's all our fault we gave him a faulty piece of sh*t computer, because the internet worked on his wife's laptop. Okay so i asked him if the phone line's connected to the modem, he responded(can't remember exactly), "phone line connected to the computer? my phone line's connected to the phone, how the hell do you think i'm talking to you!" Okay... I said i thought u had a dedicated line for the computer... He said well of course!! It's dedicated to the computer when i use the internet, and it's dedicated to the phone when i'm using the phone!!

Okay right there, that's when i wanted to beat the sh*t out of this guy.

Then I asked him if he has another line or cell phone to talk to me from, so he calls me back from his cell, he plugged the phone line into the modem, then he says yes there's the weird noise but it tells me the username/passwords are wrong. So I told him he has to check that with his ISP, but knowing this dumbass, i asked, could you tell me your username? And he told me andyrichter2k@msn.com

WHAT?! I asked him, "did you just tell me your email account?" He said yeah that's my username and password. ahh!! So took me another 5 minutes to explain to him that his username/password for his ISP is NOT his email username/password. A few min later he found his name/password for Telus, and he managed to connect, then for some reason he starts swearing again, saying how we didn't explain it properly, and he wants to speak to my manager(that was his mistake).

I gave the phone to my boss, and went back to work on the computer i was building, then all of a sudden, my boss just pretty much yelled in to the phone, okay this i remember, "You f*cking dickhead, if you read our policies properly it says CLEARLY we have a one year warranty on HARDWARE problems, we're not responsible for software! and Why the f*ck did you call us here in the first place? You have to contact your ISP for your internet problems! You just wasted 40min of one of my tech's time, so i'm going have to charge you a $30 service fee, now your name please..." And my boss hang up i guess the other guy hang up.

Then my boss laughed and told me the next time you talk to somebody like this, first try to tell them to contact the proper place, if he doesn't listen, then just swear at him and hangup, we don't need a customer like that anyways.

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June 7, 2004 8:50:03 PM

hehe tech support is a bitch
June 7, 2004 9:31:31 PM

Hahaha! Thanks, scottchen :smile: Though I am pretty sure most of us have similar stories to tell, it is always fun to read something like that and be amazed how dumb some people are. On the other hand, THANKS TO THESE MORONS we have job security :lol: 

I remember once a long, long time ago I sent a guy to fix a client’s NOVELL problem (a company was unable to print their bills). He got there, spent 5 hours trying, rewrote everything by hand. When every attempt failed, in desperation we began checking cables and sure enough the printer was unplugged from the wall outlet. Now I never go deep until I have taken all the dumb-ass troubleshooting steps first . . . like, “Is your power turned on?” Is your cable plugged-in?” Well, you make mistakes and you learn.

Another time I recall a dude said that his CD was too big and did not fit. Of course, he was trying to jam it into the floppy drive. If I did not have to deal with that guy myself I would never have believed this if someone told me.

Check this: a student comes into one of my labs, sits herself down in front of a PC and says to me the PC is broken. I ask her what is wrong and she says that she moves the mouse but the screen is still black. Hmmm, I say, maybe you should try turning the power on?

Oh. The morons! God bless them. As long as they exist I will always have a well-paying job. :lol:  <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Slava on 06/07/04 05:44 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
June 8, 2004 5:42:13 AM

You know those stories make me glad to be 17, maybe by the time im a tech there wont be so many dumbasses.
June 8, 2004 7:16:13 AM

I bet alot of you guys don't even know how to change the oil in your own cars, lol. Everyone has their fields of knowledge and has to start somewhere. :>)
*ducks*

"Private Gump, why did you assemble that weapon so %$&&%#$ fast?!?"
".............because you told me to, sir?"
June 8, 2004 7:41:26 AM

Isn't that the truth, i'm gonna start screwing around with my current car 'til it dies, i hope it dies soon, my parents promised a new one, but they'll only pay 10000 down payment, then i have to pay the rest.

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June 8, 2004 10:34:15 AM

What car do you drive?

Im trying to get an Acura RSX
June 8, 2004 12:04:48 PM

HA HA HA!!! There will always be morons and they will always need tech. support.

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June 8, 2004 4:40:38 PM

I've heard stories when people thought a mouse was a foot pedal hehe
June 8, 2004 5:05:06 PM

If you're in the market for a new car, check out the new Mazda3's. They are amazing...

I liked them so much, I bought one!

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June 8, 2004 5:44:51 PM

keep in mind that the above poster is only sudgesting the 6800 because it has "nvidia" in its name


meanwhile the card isnt released yet, and might not be for another month. most sites have reviews of the two cards, including tomshardware. as of now, its too early to make a decision...

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June 8, 2004 6:29:45 PM

Yeah they are good for the price. My sister just got a WRX STI, 300 HP.. omfg it pisses me off. And im over here with my lowly jeep
June 8, 2004 6:32:43 PM

I read this article in this mag, CPU , (Computer Power User). It was an interview with two of the tri-foundrs of nVidia. I think i may buy nVidia just for the excellent CEO and staff they have, that company has good ideals.
June 8, 2004 6:44:46 PM

nV camp got a new recruit :tongue: Welcome aboard, brother :smile:

<font color=green>"The creative powers of English morphology are pathetic compared to what we find in other languages." (Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct)</font color=green> :cool:
June 8, 2004 7:15:13 PM

Hahahahaha!

...you're kidding, right?

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June 9, 2004 12:19:34 AM

Well yeah i was joking. But I still believe nVidia has a way better ceo and ceo support staff than ati. You guys should really read that article. Personally, i think that NV50 will dominate everything, but again that is jusst my opinion.

Now what i really dont like is that ATI could make an R500 right now but they dont cause nVidias cards arent competitive enough. That and ATI currently forces more optimizations than nVidia does.

Off topic but yall might find this funny. The july issue of PC Gamer has this code that gives you a chance to get into EQ2 Beta. Well i bought an issue and my code didnt work. So i went to Barnes and Nobles today, and took pictures with my new diggy cam of like 5 more codes. Guess what?

NONE OF THEM WORKED!
June 9, 2004 12:44:44 AM

Actaully the r500 can't come out right now. Ati is going to have major issues with that one probably take a good 6 more months to get in Shaders 3.0 and start using 32 bit precision. Completely new architecture.
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