ATI?? NVIDIA?? please help!!!!!

[engo]

Hello everyone!!
I just need to upgrade my video card (MSI gf4 4800se) to a better one but not the high end.
I was made my choose for the BFG FX5900XT OC and was pretty exited to get that new card, i check some benchs and it has a great performance.....BUT!!!!.......
I jus note that i can get ATI9800pro for just 20 dlls more, then my head is blowing now cause i dont know what to choose.
I know 9800pro is older but ive seen its better than nvidiaXT in DX9 or AA and AF.
Im a 3D user (VIZ, MAX) but im also a gamer.
So i need both a very good DX9 (have far cry and waiting for HL2 and DOOM) and very good OPENGL, thats why im a little affraid about ATI, cause my GF4 runs much better than 9600XT(on better PC)on MAX and VIZ.
Then i dont know if it will happens with 9800 about the OpenGL in MAX cause i havent found benchmarks compairing both cards in this aspect.
Please can somebody help me to make a choose, or just telling me if openGL on ATI competes with NvidiaFX.
THANKS!!

 

[entium]

ATI can't compete with nV in Ogl, the card ya haev right now is good keep it, wait for the mid to lower end cards for the next lines (6800 and x800) to come out and buy then.


Btw the next WHQL driver release from nV rumors of the 15 of this month, is good for the fx line too gives a nice boost.

 

[engo]

Thanks for the Ogl tip Entium but...may i wait?? may i be able to get a midrange 6800 with 230 bucks??? i dont thrust in low (like 5200)just to get a 6...

 

[coylter]

Stop it , ati is like 1-2% behind nv in open gl. You cant say that it is slow in ogl.

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[phial]

yea i agree, OGL performance my my ATI cards is very good.




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[cefoskey]

I use ATi FireGL cards at work for all my Unigraphics and ProE work. They are pretty much the standard Radeon 9xxx cards with more stable drivers.

Ati cards are fine in openGL, if you will be rendering you arguably will see better image quality.

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[engo]

mmmmm... youre talking of $500 UP video cards.
im on $200, $250, u cant compare an FIREGL with an sandard ATI, i think. You have 9600PRO you must know about it.
Mi 9600XT on P4 3.2 its not better than my GF4800SE (4400) on XP2500+ (oc 3200+) in OpenGL, so 9800pro will???.... cause i really want it but im scared about sacrifyng ogl performance for AA and AF

 

[entium]

1-2% where did you get those figures? its more like 20-30% and in Doom 3 it will be alot more then that.


The Fx line goes as fast the x800 in Ogl.

 

[phial]

a 9800pro will be much faster. ESPECIALLY using AA and AF for a number of reasons, mainly because of its 256bit memory interface .. slightly better drivers from nvidia cant make up for a much older architecture

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[phial]

your talking out of your ass. kthnxbye

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[entium]

200 bucks for a card now when he can spend 200 bucks on a next gen card in 2 months which will be alot faster.

Not really worth it don't ya think?

 

[phial]

i agree with that part

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[entium]

test it the fx line with the new drivers they are faster much faster with dx9c too. And the shader quality still not as good as ATi, but better. Also you can now turn of AF optimizations on the fx line aswell with .40 and up.

 

[cefoskey]

actually, my point was that those cards are the same chips as retail gaming cards, its only the driver stability that has changed. ive actually flashed a 9700 to a FireGL 9700 using a bios and driver file. THe performance difference really isnt big, if at all. Believe me, Ive done a lot of reasearch about this and even had a some pretty long threads here about it.

PS How can you say your 9600XT isnt better than Ti4800se in OGL?

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[phial]

actually, depending on what effects are used, beacuse of the core/ram speeds of the TI4800 it might actually be faster than a 9600xt in OGL


but throw in some shader effects of course, and that changes everything


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[engo]

Shure! im talking about performance in MAX (that is my concern about the OGL on ATI) not games in OGL.

And YES!, my GF4800se(on AMD) moves better with lots of geometry in MAX than 9600XT(on P4), i've tryed it with the exact same file, the exact same geometry and its very obvious.

 

[entium]

nvidia has always been better for Max then ATi, in general in games too for Ogl.

You actaully use the hardware renderers? I find them very unstable

 

[dhlucke]

You are the most annoying troll ever. I really hope you're at least right.

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[entium]

man take a equally priced ati card and match with an nV card and do the ogl tests. Every benchmark site proves that anyways.

 

[engo]

Hardware Renderers??? its about max???, dont know about it... but sounds interesting!....

 

[entium]

well you use ogl in max right? max has both dx8 or 9 and ogl for its hardware renderers in its viewports.
We find them very unstable.

Our art team now uses Maya and only does animating in Max becuase its so unstable we have to stay with software :/. Would use 3dlab's cards but those things aren't cheap!

 

[engo]

ooh yes!!! sorry!, I've always used Ogl without any problem, and better than SOFT, but D3D its very unstable and can't find the way to quit the triangulation. The only problem with Ogl is when i open the program i see a flash residual image of the last sesion but i think is more Video Ram problem.

 

[jclw]

Keep in mind OpenGL 2 is out in mid August - and both companies are rewriting their OpenGL drivers. Who knows what the OpenGL scene will look like in two months.

If you're looking at a card today I'd suggest a 9800pro. I doubt you'll be able to get a X800 or 6800 class card for $200 before next fall.

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[engo]

So when do you think 6800 mid range will be released?? im thinking selriously to wait. Anyway half life2 will be released till............

 

[entium]

thats the tough one lol, would say end of this year no sooner. The 6800 non ultra is supposed to be end of next month. Which should be around $299 though. The cards you have is good for now. They will run both Doom 3 and Half life 2 at lower reses decently.

If ya really want to have a new mid range card to run half life 2 ATi should be able to get some of thier lower end cards in 3 months.