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July 19, 2012 7:34:06 PM

Hello Community!

D3 has been out for the last 2months and Guild Wars is being released soon. Need some advice on a laptop.

I would like to play at Ultra settings at 1920x1080 or i could go lower res (which i perfer not)

Wondering if anyone in the community has personal expereince with D3 and GW2 beta at highest possible setting with smooth gameplay and can recommend me a laptop.

My budget would be between $1200-$1500 maxed with tax in (I live in Toronto Canada).

I was thinking of:

Lenovo Y580 with GTX660M i7-3610QM (1920x1080) $1149.00 + tax (sale price) Comes with and added 1TB 5400RPM + 32GBSSD (don't know why its not a 7200)

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/L...

or

Sager 9130 with GTX670M i7-3610QM (1920x1080) $1153.00 + tax Comes with 500GB 7200rpm


or

whatever you guys recommend.......

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July 19, 2012 7:41:43 PM

MrHamm said:
Hello Community!

D3 has been out for the last 2months and Guild Wars is being released soon. Need some advice on a laptop.

I would like to play at Ultra settings at 1920x1080 or i could go lower res (which i perfer not)

Wondering if anyone in the community has personal expereince with D3 and GW2 beta at highest possible setting with smooth gameplay and can recommend me a laptop.

My budget would be between $1200-$1500 maxed with tax in (I live in Toronto Canada).

I was thinking of:

Lenovo Y580 with GTX660M i7-3610QM (1920x1080) $1149.00 + tax (sale price) Comes with and added 1TB 5400RPM + 32GBSSD (don't know why its not a 7200)

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/L...

or

Sager 9130 with GTX670M i7-3610QM (1920x1080) $1153.00 + tax Comes with 500GB 7200rpm


or

whatever you guys recommend.......


Both good choices, mainly i7, 670m, and 8 gigs of memory is where to look at everything else is a bonus.
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July 19, 2012 7:41:52 PM

For gaming, go with whatever laptop has the best GPU in your price range. GTX 675m is an excellent choice! I wouldn't go under that though.
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July 19, 2012 7:56:23 PM

The Y580 comes with 660m only. Will that hinder performance for those two games. I will not be playing BF3 or anything.....

Anyone with personal expereince with these two games on a laptop?
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July 19, 2012 8:11:05 PM

No dont go with the i7, it will get to hot. I have an i5 laptop that over heated five times playing D3 during the release weekend at a LAN party. I was using the intel graphics, which didnt help, but heat is gonna be your enemy with D3 on a laptop.
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July 19, 2012 8:18:09 PM

lordofdeath242 said:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-...
this or something like is better value, spending more would only see a small improvment


the 7670M has had horrible support problems.

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No dont go with the i7, it will get to hot. I have an i5 laptop that over heated five times playing D3 during the release weekend at a LAN party. I was using the intel graphics, which didnt help, but heat is gonna be your enemy with D3 on a laptop.


Uh, what? I don't think D3 even uses more then 2 cores, check the cpu scaling benchmarks. If your laptop was overheating I would return it and get a better model.

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For gaming, go with whatever laptop has the best GPU in your price range. GTX 675m is an excellent choice! I wouldn't go under that though.


+1 for the most part hes right.

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I would choose the Sager 9130 out of the ones there. Hmm, but I might go with a 2.8ghz i3 over a 1.3ghz i5 (I dunno what the clocks are of those laptops you specified but I'm just sayin, for D3 clock speed is more relevant than cpu core count)

Haven't played GW2 so I have no insight on that.
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July 19, 2012 8:24:57 PM

mouse24 said:
Uh, what? I don't think D3 even uses more then 2 cores, check the cpu scaling benchmarks. If your laptop was overheating I would return it and get a better model.


The i5 is a dual core chip in laptops. I think mine is the i5-430m. Intel's integrated graphics are a part of the CPU. The moral of the story is that laptops can only take so much heat. Unless you have something like an inch and a half thick alienware computer with fans out the wazoo, most gaming will be bottlenecked by heat.
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July 19, 2012 8:47:46 PM

Right now GW2 is designed to be more cpu dependent (for performance) than gpu. I do not know about D3. However I think you will only be marginally with the performance of a laptop with that game. I have played all the beta events and when talking to friends on laptops they were not very happy campers. GL
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July 19, 2012 9:05:25 PM

Dogsnake said:
Right now GW2 is designed to be more cpu dependent (for performance) than gpu. I do not know about D3. However I think you will only be marginally with the performance of a laptop with that game. I have played all the beta events and when talking to friends on laptops they were not very happy campers. GL


Yeah the game is VERY unoptimized, they have come out and stated that multiple times and that they are working on it.

I hope to see big improvements in performance in this coming beta event.

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The i5 is a dual core chip in laptops. I think mine is the i5-430m. Intel's integrated graphics are a part of the CPU. The moral of the story is that laptops can only take so much heat. Unless you have something like an inch and a half thick alienware computer with fans out the wazoo, most gaming will be bottlenecked by heat.


Yeahhhh, I bet I look really dumb right now :s. So since an i5 is a dual core, whats the difference between an i3 and i5?
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July 19, 2012 11:36:51 PM

thanks for all the reply guys...soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

660m is not good enough at 1920x1080? LOL
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July 20, 2012 7:12:17 AM

Frankly, from what my friends on the GW2 beta have told me - a 650M should destroy GW2 with a mid range i5. It is a game designed to be playable on a variety of machines so its top end isnt even that intensive.
I have seen reviews with solid i5's with 630M's play diablo 3 on high settings at 1080. But I do not know how accurate these reviews are. I will try to find some and link them for you.
But I would expect that your two choices should destroy both games!
From what I can tell even a 650M should be able to play these games close to ultra settings at 1080p (ie, Asus N56VZ, Dell Inspiron 15/17R Special Editions, etc)


Just to let you know, most of these "gaming" mid range laptops won't have a 7200 RPM 1TB for a while they are still quite expensive. Its cheaper for them to go with the 32GB msata hybrid... :( 
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July 20, 2012 1:10:08 PM

Thank rubbateckie.

Not a fan of hybrids -for some reason...i'll stick with HDD or SSD. =)

Ya if you can provide me with some benchmarks on GW2 on lappy GPU's that would be great!

I cant find any....

while notebookcheck -650m looks decent for D3 its suffers with 40fps in SC2. Now im not saying that SC2 is GPU intensive as GW2, but that worries me.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.718...

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July 20, 2012 3:25:56 PM

You can not find any because the game is still in beta and we will not be able to get meaningful benchmarks until September. The game launches to the public on Aug. 28th. Need to give it a bit work out some kinks then benching is reasonable. Your main issues on a laptop will probably be related to toon control and viewing perspective. Also it will be interesting to see how a lappy holds up in the WvW battles with hundreds of players running around.
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July 20, 2012 5:22:24 PM

Thanks for the replace DogSnake.

sigh* that's why im hoping someone that is in beta can at least give me someone insight on it.....

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July 20, 2012 5:35:28 PM

MrHamm said:
Thank rubbateckie.

Not a fan of hybrids -for some reason...i'll stick with HDD or SSD. =)

Ya if you can provide me with some benchmarks on GW2 on lappy GPU's that would be great!

I cant find any....

while notebookcheck -650m looks decent for D3 its suffers with 40fps in SC2. Now im not saying that SC2 is GPU intensive as GW2, but that worries me.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.718...

I am not a fan of the hybrids either. I'd jsut rather get the 7200RPM. Similar to almost better performance as some of the cheaper hybrids.
My friends will be playing it this weekend so I will try to gather some info because I want to know as well! I have a friend on a quadcore AMD APU without a dedicated card, so I am curious about if he can even play it!
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July 20, 2012 5:41:44 PM

curious.. is your 1080 res request for the laptop screen, or are you planning on utilizing a separate monitor / tv?

as others have stated, your laptop search should focus on the video card. Integrated graphics (intel 3000)will likely struggle to give decent frame rate on the external display, and overheating is a concern, not from CPU but from GPU processing.
Also watch out for Radeon graphics, many laptops advertize ati graphics with model number(4250 for example) but is actually integrated not a dedicated card.
Laptops that advertize nvidia graphics, last i checked, were safely dedicated and can be cross referenced on Toms charts.

For a gaming laptop, a cooling pad is nearly a must.

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July 20, 2012 7:25:08 PM

I'm used to playing at 2560x1440 or 1920x1080. I think going lower would hinder my gaming expereince. =( Its more of a request.....

I have a laptop cooler....

I just want what most mobile gamers what...to be able to be mobile while running the game at ultra settings without setting me back $2000.00.
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July 20, 2012 8:07:03 PM

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I'm used to playing at 2560x1440 or 1920x1080. I think going lower would hinder my gaming expereince. =( Its more of a request.....


I ask mostly because many laptops use lower resolution screens to keep cost down / make more efficient use of GPU scheme... To get a laptop with the 1080 screen is one challenge, with a good or great dedicated GPU another challenge. A few friends use thier laptop with an external monitor, though the GPU can usually only display certain resolutions.

I myself just went towards the laptop gaming but i was severely limited in budget. I am gaming at 1370x770 and I have to say, resolution wise its not so bad. On a 15" screen its not so noticeable a difference in rez than from a 25" with higher rez, except in certain RTS games, where i miss the extra map space / smaller menu areas.

What I do miss is shader effects, graphic textures and distance effects which my integrated GPU just cant provide.

My advice if your looking between models, is to accept a lower res screen with the best GPU your budget allows. Most CPUs bundled to a dedicated GPU will be higher end, or at least high end for that generation of chip if its slightly older design, and thus likely not a huge concern. i5 dual core wont be future proof, but should handle GW2 and diablo3 fine.
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July 20, 2012 9:14:20 PM

Thanks for taking the time to reply hwangchan.

I would not be plugging it to an external monitor. I would be playing on my desktop at home. but i travel quite a bit and would like to be mobile and not lose the eye-candy.

But.....also dont want to over-spend excessively like i did my desktop LOL.

Need some input on acutal gameplay in D3 and GW2 beta (yes i know its only beta and its not stable -but....its a good starting point on where the laptop needs tobe at)
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July 20, 2012 9:24:39 PM

I will be getting details from a friend who is around the area where playing GW2 on maxxed settings it right around the edge of his system (he plays just a bit below to keep his system cool and the game running smoothly). That should be later this evening hopefully.
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July 20, 2012 9:38:40 PM

I have a laptop with i7 2630qm and a 560m GPU. I can play Diablo 3 maxed out at the max resolution available for my screen (1600x900) with no problem. No overheating even after playing for 6hs straight. Good luck!


The laptop is a toshiba qosmio 7272
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July 20, 2012 9:49:50 PM

Thanks Rubbateckie! please list system specs and how smooth it is at Highest possible setting in beta..wondering if he uses FRAPS.....

Thanks for the reply Unipablo! -hummm 1600x900 at max settings..whats ur fps in D3? Are all settings set to High/Ultra?
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July 21, 2012 12:09:22 AM

MrHamm said:
Thanks Rubbateckie! please list system specs and how smooth it is at Highest possible setting in beta..wondering if he uses FRAPS.....

Thanks for the reply Unipablo! -hummm 1600x900 at max settings..whats ur fps in D3? Are all settings set to High/Ultra?



It's with all settings maxed out. Everything on high/ultra. I can't check the fps because it shows 0 fps when i try to check it. I think it's a problem with the latest version, but everything is smooth (except for some latency...) even with a lot of monsters on screen.
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July 21, 2012 12:20:35 AM

Thanks unipablo...

Now i need to wait for rubbateckie for his results...and ur res is 1600x900..i rather play at 1920x1080 =)
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July 21, 2012 8:45:02 AM

Well my friend should be giving me more information later but with his 1.7Ghz integrated graphics AMD quadcore, he can play at medium with no lag at all (he is well above 30FPS always and usually around 50fps). He is probably running at 1366 x 768 though... :( 

My other friend is running just under fully maxed out and will give me his build and more details later. It is apparently more graphics intensive than he thought when he was telling me before. You may need a GTX 670M to max is out all the way according to him.
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July 21, 2012 4:02:16 PM

I am playing it fully maxed with an athlon 2 x3 445 (non oced) + 6870 (non oced)

Just don't get me near 10+ people or my frame rates drop to >20 ... I hope they look into this, it seems to be a problem with everyone.

Edit: Well I thought it was pretty decent frame rates but I just checked with fraps and its hanging around 20 fps with slow downs to 5 in heavily populated areas :p 
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July 22, 2012 6:34:59 AM

My friend has a first gen core i7 2.67Ghz (he doesn't know the model number and for some reason windows doesn't give him the right number in device manager... - I personally think he just can't figure it out), with a Radeon HD 6870, 4gb ram, 7200rpm hard drive. And plays it at 1080p. At maxed settings it runs fine.
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July 22, 2012 8:15:23 AM

Last beta or this new one? This new one I can run it maxed for what I personally find playable but I prefer to run it on high just for fps stability :) 

For recording I have to play on medium/low :3
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July 22, 2012 11:06:29 PM

Thanks Rubbateckie.....great information...did he use FRAPS?

Thanks for the reply mouse24, 20 FPS is a lil bit low for my taste. I like to be over 60+ even in heavily populated area...humm....

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July 23, 2012 4:17:34 AM

This one, he said that he thinks he is around 35 fps and running FRAPS makes it a lot more unstable for some odd reason and he gets about 28 fps. This is for the more intense sessions with lots of people and explosions and that stuff!
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July 24, 2012 9:47:01 PM

6870 mobile is compared to 670m -which is pretty expensive already. and its only 35fps? dangggggggggggg


Anyone run it at a desktop GPU that can list some specs so we can comapre with mobile GPUs at 1920x1080? -more intrested in lower/mid-range GPU's to compare with mobile.


Thanks!
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July 24, 2012 9:57:40 PM

Oh sorry, mine was from my desktop, CPU : Athlon 2 x3 445, Ram: 4g ddr2.
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July 24, 2012 10:10:06 PM

That my friend is pretty disheartening considering that GW2 graphics are on the low-end of the spectrum.

@ Rubbateckit. I assume that was 6870m?
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July 24, 2012 10:34:48 PM

Heh, I'd be a bit sad if I could max everything on GW2 with a higher end mid range card.

But I assume it will get better at launch, they just recently started adding support to make it a bit more gpu based.
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July 24, 2012 11:01:38 PM

And I am apparently stupid because this friend just "upgraded the card" so its obviously the desktop version. Sorry MrHamm, I was convinced he had a new gaming laptop but it was his brother who has a new Sager with the 650M...
I was thinking that it made no sense that he was getting noticably better performance than mouse24....
But that is even more worrying, a desktop i7 with a desktop 6870 can't run it incredibly well on maxed... He told me he lowered the settings at the end of the beta because even though the frame rate seemed ok, there was just something odd like slight lag in certain situations when he was maxed out. :( 
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July 25, 2012 5:41:23 PM

Thanks Rubbateckie. The slight lag could just be perfomance issues with the game itself since its still in beta. -I hope......

How was the 650m?

On a side note: Had a buddy who played last weekend beta with a 5770 at 1920x1080 and said he had no issues. Only problem was he said he used recommended settings and he doesnt know what it was on.....

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July 25, 2012 6:32:08 PM

Well he refuses to play Guild Wars. My friend did get it running on there for like 5 minutes just to test for me and it seemed like you couldn't push it past like "2 notches" I am guessing that the video quality settings are setup the same way as Guild Wars 1 with that description. He did say you may have to lower it more for situations with a lot of characters/people around.
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August 2, 2012 2:55:45 PM

Thanks for all your input guys.

Going to wait for GW2 for release and re-open this topic when we have more definate answers!.

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August 2, 2012 2:56:02 PM

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