Toobin to JAMMA - how to do the monitor sync?

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I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?

I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
issue.

Thanks!
 
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is the toobin positive or negative sync?

you'll just need to combine them using a 74xx to generate the composite
sync... need to know whether it's positive or negative sync to determine how
to wire it up...

in any case a 7402 should do the trick (quad nor gate)

steve

<stevenprendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
> schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
> should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
> the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?
>
> I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
> that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
> issue.
>
> Thanks!
>
 
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Not sure Steve. The schematics don't state (at least that I have been able
to find). I'll look around now for the 7402 - might as well have it in case
I need it.

Funny part is that all of the other Atari boards of the era (Paperboy, APB,
Gauntlet) all have a clearly marked CSYNC pin on the monitor out.. :(

Thx.


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"Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> is the toobin positive or negative sync?
>
> you'll just need to combine them using a 74xx to generate the composite
> sync... need to know whether it's positive or negative sync to determine
> how to wire it up...
>
> in any case a 7402 should do the trick (quad nor gate)
>
> steve
>
> <stevenprendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1114548364.239530.199100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
>> schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
>> should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
>> the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?
>>
>> I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
>> that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
>> issue.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
 
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bummer...

hopefully someone will know the sync requirements...

in any case, it's not to bad... attach power/ground to the 7402 as
required...

wire hsync/vsync into one of the inputs and the output will be the inverted
composite... if you need to invert it again just feed it into one of the
other gate pairs (make sure to ground the other input though, floating would
be bad).

if it's easier you can do BOTH and then feed both of the outputs to each
side of a spdt switch and feed the middle to the monitor... this way you can
select sync plarity as needed (might be easier to do if you have to
disassemble lots of stuff to get access).

of course, this all falls appart if Toobin used positive Hsync and negative
Vsync or some such stupid combo... it's still doable with the 7402, but
you'll have to invert one of the sync inputs first before combining.

best,

steve

"Steve Prendergast" <stevepren-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not sure Steve. The schematics don't state (at least that I have been
> able to find). I'll look around now for the 7402 - might as well have it
> in case I need it.
>
> Funny part is that all of the other Atari boards of the era (Paperboy,
> APB, Gauntlet) all have a clearly marked CSYNC pin on the monitor out..
> :(
>
> Thx.
>
>
> --
> -Steve P.
>
> All messages are scanned with Norton Anti-Virus
>
> "Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:XNBbe.2103$jS6.222@trndny06...
>> is the toobin positive or negative sync?
>>
>> you'll just need to combine them using a 74xx to generate the composite
>> sync... need to know whether it's positive or negative sync to determine
>> how to wire it up...
>>
>> in any case a 7402 should do the trick (quad nor gate)
>>
>> steve
>>
>> <stevenprendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1114548364.239530.199100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
>>> schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
>>> should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
>>> the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?
>>>
>>> I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
>>> that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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Thx Steve. I ordered a 74LS02 and a 74LS04 yesterday - we'll see how it
does when they arrive.



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"Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:AGKbe.3360$u56.2490@trndny09...
> bummer...
>
> hopefully someone will know the sync requirements...
>
> in any case, it's not to bad... attach power/ground to the 7402 as
> required...
>
> wire hsync/vsync into one of the inputs and the output will be the
> inverted composite... if you need to invert it again just feed it into
> one of the other gate pairs (make sure to ground the other input though,
> floating would be bad).
>
> if it's easier you can do BOTH and then feed both of the outputs to each
> side of a spdt switch and feed the middle to the monitor... this way you
> can select sync plarity as needed (might be easier to do if you have to
> disassemble lots of stuff to get access).
>
> of course, this all falls appart if Toobin used positive Hsync and
> negative Vsync or some such stupid combo... it's still doable with the
> 7402, but you'll have to invert one of the sync inputs first before
> combining.
>
> best,
>
> steve
>
> "Steve Prendergast" <stevepren-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s6qdnQ2rsq8sivLfRVn-vQ@adelphia.com...
>> Not sure Steve. The schematics don't state (at least that I have been
>> able to find). I'll look around now for the 7402 - might as well have it
>> in case I need it.
>>
>> Funny part is that all of the other Atari boards of the era (Paperboy,
>> APB, Gauntlet) all have a clearly marked CSYNC pin on the monitor out..
>> :(
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Steve P.
>>
>> All messages are scanned with Norton Anti-Virus
>>
>> "Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:XNBbe.2103$jS6.222@trndny06...
>>> is the toobin positive or negative sync?
>>>
>>> you'll just need to combine them using a 74xx to generate the composite
>>> sync... need to know whether it's positive or negative sync to determine
>>> how to wire it up...
>>>
>>> in any case a 7402 should do the trick (quad nor gate)
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> <stevenprendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1114548364.239530.199100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
>>>> schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
>>>> should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
>>>> the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?
>>>>
>>>> I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
>>>> that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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Got it up thanks to Steve. I had a Crystal Castles parts board that I stole
a 74LS02 out of and then I rigged up a test harness and had everything wired
up using spare wire and mini 'gator clips. I needed a 74LS02 to make it
happen. I'm writing up a doc file on how to convert it to JAMMA and will
post the results when I am done.

BTW: I didn't use the SENSE connections and I just plugged +12V from the
JAMMA harness into the sound board instead of the 12VAC that it really
wants. Audio is acceptable but I am probably going to test further by
adding the 12VAC.

Also, funny/oddity - I had a great picture except down the middle of the
screen - it looked like there was a 3-4" section down the center that
someone smeared. It was driving me nuts. I finally plugged in the sound
board and the bad section vanished w/o a trace.


Thanks again Steve!


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"Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:AGKbe.3360$u56.2490@trndny09...
> bummer...
>
> hopefully someone will know the sync requirements...
>
> in any case, it's not to bad... attach power/ground to the 7402 as
> required...
>
> wire hsync/vsync into one of the inputs and the output will be the
> inverted composite... if you need to invert it again just feed it into
> one of the other gate pairs (make sure to ground the other input though,
> floating would be bad).
>
> if it's easier you can do BOTH and then feed both of the outputs to each
> side of a spdt switch and feed the middle to the monitor... this way you
> can select sync plarity as needed (might be easier to do if you have to
> disassemble lots of stuff to get access).
>
> of course, this all falls appart if Toobin used positive Hsync and
> negative Vsync or some such stupid combo... it's still doable with the
> 7402, but you'll have to invert one of the sync inputs first before
> combining.
>
> best,
>
> steve
>
> "Steve Prendergast" <stevepren-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s6qdnQ2rsq8sivLfRVn-vQ@adelphia.com...
>> Not sure Steve. The schematics don't state (at least that I have been
>> able to find). I'll look around now for the 7402 - might as well have it
>> in case I need it.
>>
>> Funny part is that all of the other Atari boards of the era (Paperboy,
>> APB, Gauntlet) all have a clearly marked CSYNC pin on the monitor out..
>> :(
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Steve P.
>>
>> All messages are scanned with Norton Anti-Virus
>>
>> "Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:XNBbe.2103$jS6.222@trndny06...
>>> is the toobin positive or negative sync?
>>>
>>> you'll just need to combine them using a 74xx to generate the composite
>>> sync... need to know whether it's positive or negative sync to determine
>>> how to wire it up...
>>>
>>> in any case a 7402 should do the trick (quad nor gate)
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> <stevenprendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1114548364.239530.199100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> I am working on JAMMAfying TOOBIN. Question I have is that the Toobin
>>>> schematics show the monitor pinouts as VSYNC, HSYNC, VID RET. VID RET
>>>> should be VIDEO GND, right? How do I go about adding the SYNC lines to
>>>> the JAMMA harness since it wants CSYNC?
>>>>
>>>> I am aware that Toobin needs a med res monitor - I have a 29" monitor
>>>> that can handle low res (14) and med res (24), so this shouldn't be an
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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