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Wtf? Digital Vibrance & ATI

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September 7, 2004 6:16:40 AM

ok id LOVE to know what the problem is here. EVERYBODY loves dvc, and ati has had well over 2 years to add this [-peep-] feature to it's cards, and they STILL to this date have Not, Why Why Why, i want a radeon 9800 so bad and i cannot BUY one becuase i cannot live without DVC period! do they plan on making dvc or just who gives a [-peep-] sorta speak?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by brute on 09/07/04 02:17 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 7, 2004 7:01:04 AM

Ahhhh [-peep-] ok, i read up alot of other forums about this issue and these are my final thoughts, theres actually alot of things i never noticed with Dvc. Shitty pictures or quality will reveal the compression alot more obviously with vibrance turned on becuase it exagerates the color and the flaws in jpeg pictures WITH it, everything has a NEON sort of glow, which is somewhat unrealistic even tho it tends to look nicer in some area's.. Which is odd tho becuase somthings actually do look a little better with Dvc on low, other things look false on exagerated. the color wouldnt be Real with dvc on. But GAMES look alot better with dvc on, blood stands out more, the subject basically stands out more. like far cry for instance, the jungle and water looks more "there" almost like your in a dream or somthing. bloody games like doom 3 look more gory.. obviously.. i guess i can live with out dvc now that i've been brought aware of these certain things. Also when your looking at something in a game thats a shade, or similer in color, like the sky for EG, you can see the breaks in colors very finely, color switching the the next shade and so forth. its less noticable with dvc off. So i guess dvc has its ups AND downs. I am also using a Flat Sony Trinitron 19" which is very nice too look at. the only thing now is my desktop seems pale.... but i'm sure thats just the adjusting period until i get used to it!
So yea theres a few factors involved. The type of monitor, what your working with, and basically if you want slightly exagerated but barely noticable colors.
September 7, 2004 7:03:07 AM

hopefully these guys will be Right about ATI having slightly better image quality and color rendition then Nvidia,,, which should make up for this dvc loss.
i'l certainly let you guys know my final thoughts when i pick up my Radeon 9800 Pro from bestbuy on friday!
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September 7, 2004 2:28:04 PM

tooo much to read, how abt posting another 5-6 times like that replying to urself. sorry but i have ADD.

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September 7, 2004 4:13:02 PM

Seriously, I was thinking the same thing ( no time to post this morning).

The post is like going from WTF, to OH OK in under an hour and all on his own.


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September 7, 2004 4:56:57 PM

We need more new members like that! :lol: 

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September 7, 2004 5:10:30 PM

Hmm, it does give out a more neon effect, though it is accentuated by my Canon A70's saturated red flaw. However, I've gone back down to No DVC to see how it looks like on a red intensive image, and saw indeed a huge difference. I went down 2 notches, BTW!
Dunno though, while it helps correct that saturated red problem, it also makes it all so pale, it's not pleasing. I guess it's also the true image quality to be expected too, so I can't really sugar coat my pictures on my PC with DVC and think that's reality when everyone else seeing them is using no digital vibrance. It also now makes sense why Neutral is not supposed to be used unless really needed. Turns out in No DVC, it is really bad. Under DVC, it becomes obvious it is the needed option to correct the saturation issue. Daym, now I know that my pictures were actually taken and viewed with much paler colors than without DVC, by others.

Although, saturated red aside, I DO think DVC is an excellent feature. It definitely breathes a whole new life to your Windows, especially XP. I don't mind the slightly more accentuated color transition appearance in pictures though. It's generally not noticeable (I just noticed it when you talked about the differences) though.

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September 7, 2004 5:11:47 PM

I think I had read somewhere that ATi was planning on adding a Digital Vibrance feature soon.

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a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2004 6:26:55 PM

This question comes up alot at Rage3D, and Catalyst Maker's usually resistant to it.

I haven't heard of them adding anything similar. Really the same thing can be accomplished with some tweaking, but from the feedback most people provide, it's not a major concern, unlike the profiles.


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September 7, 2004 7:35:31 PM

self educated man !

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September 8, 2004 3:48:44 AM

It's all about trying it and seeing for yourself if it works out. For me it's done a big difference on my Ti200.

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September 8, 2004 12:52:06 PM

Yeah the thing is though, I know I'd personally prefer they add something I CAN'T do on my own, than make the tweaking easier.

It's like Phillips' Lightframe technology on their monitors (which others have adopted similar function). I could do it myself, but they have this handy dandy button so you don't have to worry about the little things like remembering your settings.

I don't know I still would rather they focus on surroundview rather than any kind of vibrance mimic.


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September 9, 2004 3:30:02 AM

Oh yeah I get ya.

Was really looking at it from a "secondary-nice-to-have-function" POV. nView is a gimmick too for me, I would use it for the transparent window dragging, but not much else.

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September 9, 2004 3:19:31 PM

I read B3d, but it's on weekend when I have time.

Thanks, I know I can count on you to stay current. :wink:

MMMmmmmmmmm, Radiance!

But I still think people need to acquaint themselves with their Temp. controls on their monitors, that would help more IMO.


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September 10, 2004 3:10:43 AM

I personally find temp controls to not help much. Doesn't make things really vibrant to me, just warmer or cooler colors. Albeit my monitor's pretty limited and allows only two color temperatures to be selected. Warm or cool.

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September 10, 2004 3:11:42 AM

Thanks for confirming man!

I was sure I had read something about color vibrance on future Catalysts. Just couldn't find the damn quote. Wasn't wrong after all.

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September 10, 2004 3:49:10 AM

Hmm, must have been quoted, I don't remember ever visiting Beyond 3D recently and seeing that.

What are your theories on this?

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September 10, 2004 4:04:41 AM

DV owns. ATI needs to impliment it. and i cant achieve the same thing by tweaking my color settings

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a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2004 12:42:30 PM

In yesterday's chat log at Rage3D with Terry, he said they will be implementing something in CCC, but he didn't call it radiance. So it is coming, whatever they call it.


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September 11, 2004 6:30:07 AM

I'l be looking forward to it
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