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September 21, 2004 7:21:52 AM

Hmmm...

Bought the BFG 6800gt...

First of all, it runs way to hot that I can barely overclock it. The Nvidia coolbits overclocker must test all overclocks first before allowing them to be permanent and I can barely get an increase. Whether this is because of a weak core or what, or just plain heat I dont know, but the heatsink is hellllllllll hot.

Also... performance wise Im not impressed. Im coming from a 9500--->9700 o/c to 9700 pro card which scored me 5500 in 3dmark03. After fresh windows install and starting over all together, the BFG 6800GT scored me 10800. Quite an increase right? Sure, Ill give it that credit..

But when I played Rome:Total War demo, the reason I bought the new card, the performance wasnt any better than the Ati card. Eh???

The only difference is with the new 6800GT and fresh install Im now using DirectX 9.0C instead of what the demo claims it needs, 9.0B, cant make THAT much of a difference...

This sucks. For now...
September 21, 2004 3:19:50 PM

ohnoesaz;

BFG brand cards are overclocked from the factory, you got a factory overclocked 6800GT-OC, thats why there is no room to overclock because it is already done for you ROFL
September 21, 2004 4:08:34 PM

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performance wise Im not impressed

Double the score in 3DMark03 is no slouch, my friend- it's one of the most powerful GPUs out there. If you don't like it, I'll buy it from you for $20, you pay the shipping. Just don't do anything to void the warranty.

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September 21, 2004 5:59:39 PM

Well.. Rome:total war is not really the heavier of games out there. But, true; you should be at about 12-13k 3dmark03

test it in some other games, and/or reformat your hdd and reinstall everything

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September 21, 2004 6:39:50 PM

Those 3D Mark scores sound about right. I had about 10,800 in 3DMark03, and 11,800 OCed to 400/1100 (Ultra) (some variance on the scores depending on fresh install and such).

I am not sure how CPU intensive the 3DMark scores are, but my system is a P4 2.85GHz w/ 1GB single channel 400MHz DDR. I would guess people with AMD FX systems or really fast P4s would get higher scores.

As for the overclock, how hot is your system case? I know my internal case temp makes a big difference on how well my eVGA OCs. Closing the case raised the temp 10-12 degrees. Try OCing with the case open.

I had read somewhere else where someone else could not really OC much over the 370/1000 stock BFG (they could not hit ultra settings either). You will want to ask other BFG owners how their cards are doing, maybe there is something you can do about it?

Btw, still a VERY good card. I get well over 60FPS in the D3 Demo in most situations. Drops some with multiple enemies on screen, but not badly (45-50FPS for short bursts).

If you are having problems with your game I would check drivers and other things that may be causing some bottlenecks. What is your system specs and driver versions?
September 21, 2004 8:21:50 PM

dont like the perf, send it to me :wink:

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September 21, 2004 9:00:10 PM

What is your cpu...that game is realy cpu dependant....i'd bet you are cpu bound.

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September 21, 2004 10:13:40 PM

I don't understand why people are overclocking the 6800GT, it destroys practically every game out there at the highest settings. Point me to a benchmark that shows otherwise. Especially a BFG which is already overclocked. A 9800 Pro? Sure, why not. At $400, however, it doesn't seem like a great idea, maybe in a year or two when it's a midrange card.

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September 21, 2004 10:20:09 PM

Are you retarded?

Its factory overclocked but can still be overclocked like any other card.

Anyways, an update: Its overclocking better now. Im up to 12,000 in 3dmark03. Pretty good, but erg why is Rome:TOtal War so choppy...

Either way if I could do it over again Im satisfied enough that Id do it again
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September 21, 2004 11:54:26 PM

Likely, as has been mentioned, it's very CPU dependant.

I haven't found any good reviews with it as a cornerstone benchmark (or even mentioned), FiringSquad did do a review of the game but didn't add any performance figures.

UT2K4 was very similar, unless you enabled high-high resolutions and serious AA/AF there was little to no difference between a GF4ti and an R9800XT/GF5950U.
Depending on the situation you may never see better, because the game may not really stress the VPU/GPU it may be stressing the rest of your system so hard that it can't feed anything more to the graphics card to draw faster than even the GF4ti (or in this case moded R9500) can handle.

Hopefully you play other games that show considerable benifit, because the card should provide you with alot more options than before, but unfortunately this may not be one of them. 3Dmk03 means very little in the end (yeah my Bungholiomarks are 800% higher, but the game still plays my favourite game at 27fps with all the settings maxed), but it does indicate that there is alot of untapped power IMO.

Edit; It's like if my next card gets twice as many 3Dmk03 or 05 marks as the R9600Pro, but hey if it doesn't do anything for the games I play (noth that other people review), then I may feel the same way you do. I don't regret the 'potential' I have bought, but if in the life of the card I never use it, maybe it's wasn't as great an upgrade as other people may experience.

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 09/21/04 05:57 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 22, 2004 12:31:01 AM

3.2 Ghz
I dont have 6800GT :cool:

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September 22, 2004 3:03:13 AM

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September 23, 2004 2:55:12 AM

not sure where you got the 12-13K in 3DMark03 from for a GT. At stock BFG speeds, I get 11,700. I have a 2.6c @ 3.25 w/1GB PC4000 DDR. I'm not overclocking it yet until it's burned in properly.

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September 23, 2004 6:55:32 AM

no? it's just the usual review-score as i recall, but you are probrably right; we'll lower it to 11-12k then:) 

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September 23, 2004 7:05:23 AM

I just recalled the reviews to be higher, 10,8k is almost what i get from a moderate oc. Sorry, most people in this thread seem to get around 11,5ish, so we'll leave that the standard the.

btw, you are seriously halting your system whilst not running dualchannel. You should try a 2x512mb setup in your system, just to see the difference.

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September 23, 2004 2:49:12 PM

ahh waaaa boo hoo..

Oh no, you only get 10k 3d03 marks.. its teh end of teh world!

Heh, but seriously. What are you going to do when 3dmark 05 comes out and you score 2000 marks? Before you throw your card out the window, why dont you consider selling it to me? :) 

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September 23, 2004 3:51:15 PM

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Are you retarded?

Its factory overclocked but can still be overclocked like any other card.

Go back to the kiddy table fanboy, i have forgotten more about computers then you will ever know llama.
September 23, 2004 5:05:15 PM

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I just recalled the reviews to be higher, 10,8k is almost what i get from a moderate oc. Sorry, most people in this thread seem to get around 11,5ish, so we'll leave that the standard the.

Not every system to going to hit the high end benchmark scores. RAM speed/latency, CPU, MB/chipset, software setup (i.e. how clean everything is), and so forth will have an impact on scores. From talking to users from before purchasing my card, mid-to-high 10,000k 3DMark03 is not a bad score, nor uncommon. ~10,800 with 1GB of single channel RAM (400MHz), 600MHz FSB, P4 2.85MHz OC is not too bad. Probably could be better, but I would need better hardware problably. I can get around a 12,000 by maxing out the OC (420MHz / 1140MHz). Anyhow, since the 6800GT stock is ~2x faster than my 9700np and I am running everything at 16x12 with no issues I am not running it OCed. :) 

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btw, you are seriously halting your system whilst not running dualchannel. You should try a 2x512mb setup in your system, just to see the difference.

I have a 2x512MB setup. The problem is my MB does not support Dual Channel. :) 
September 23, 2004 5:51:42 PM

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problably

ROFLMAO

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September 23, 2004 9:04:22 PM

I probably should shut up now, huh? Possibly ;) 

What I intended to convey without rambling was that I could get slightly better results in 3dMark03 with my setup by tweaking and such, but why? I just wanted to benchmark my system how I will actually use it on daily basis. A 10,800 in 3dMark03 is not a bad score, and that was my point--w/o knowing the guys setup, I didn't want him being disappointed with his BFG 6800GT because someone has given him a false sense of what he "should" get. I am certain a faster chipset (and one that supports 8x AGP, although 4x does not seem to slow me down much), a faster processor, and speedier RAM (I only have single channel with a 2.5 CAS) would bump me up--but not everyone has a top of the line system every 6 months or can afford such. I just don't want people with decent systems freaking that their is something wrong with their system because their 3dMark03 scores are not as high as the scores of someone with an uber system.

That was all I meant. Now I have rambled, so I probably should shut up ;) 

Ps- I failed spelling growing up :(  Oh, and grammar (or was that grammer?)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Acert93 on 09/23/04 05:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 23, 2004 9:13:03 PM

10800 3DMarks is about right for a 6800GT. It's not really CAS or dual-channel that makes any difference, it's having a really fast Athlon 64/FX processor that will push it to the extremes.

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