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If anyone can help me, I have an american style power cable that I have cut the end off, so that I can wire on british plug. The problem is i'm not sure which color refers to the earth, live and neutral points.

The wire colors are:
Green (I think this is earth)
Black (I think this is neutral)
White (I think this is live)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hehehe...I'm used to ground, positive and negative.
Ok, black should be ground/earth, green should be negative/neutral, and white should be positive/live.
I'm not totally sure about that (it's been a while), but I think that's right.

BTW, you sure you're not going to fry it? Remember that over in Britain, it's 220v @ 55Hz, as opposed to America's 110v @ 60Hz.

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Reply to FatBurger

Thanks for the info m8.

It's just a PC power lead, that I was going to have to throw away because of the Amercan plug on it, thought it would be a shame to bin it. Hopefully I wont be frying anything apart from my breakfast :)

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Reply to Anonymous
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i'm pretty sure at least dealing with hose wireing that the balck is hot and the green is ground other words the black is the one taht could kill you

Reply to wapaaga

Wapaaga is right, as US house AC wiring goes, black is hot, white is nuetral, green is ground (earth).

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Reply to mousepotato

I sit corrected.

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Reply to FatBurger

But there's a catch even greater than that. Try pulling 10amps of 220V on 14-gauge wire and you'll rapidly find out.

10amps x 220V = 2200 watts
10amps x 110V = 1100 watts

If you take the melted copper, and fashion it properly, you could build a rather nifty heatsink for your gfx card ram......

Reply to ejsmith2

Quote :

10amps x 220V = 2200 watts
10amps x 110V = 1100 watts


Obviously, but why are you telling me? I already know Ohm's law.

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Reply to mousepotato

JC don't do it.

In america green is ground (earth) and is the round pin, black is hot (live) and is the smaller of the two flat plugs, and white is neutral (return) and is the larger of the flat plugs. I am very sure about this as it is part of my job.

Whoops I guess you already know that. I did't scroll down far enough before posting.

FYI Our house current is AC so it is not positive or negative but both. Stuff will usually work with the live and return swapped but it is not as safe. The green ground goes actually into the ground at your house. The white is the return and is bonded to the green at the box. So the difference between the return and ground is that under normal operation the return carries current and the ground should carry none (or very little). Hot is 120VAC RMS above ground potential. At the device the ground wire is connected to the case of the device, the hot and return supply the actual power to the load.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Lakedude on 06/22/01 05:23 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to lakedude

I bet the reason for the confusion is because the color code is different for house wiring then for electronics. In electronics black is dc return. In house your house black is hot.

Reply to lakedude

I hope that confirmation from Fatburger didn't hurt him or his computer! No posts from Porkstone since. :frown:

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Reply to mousepotato

What? What are you blaming on me? I didn't do anything wrong.
And BTW, I was thinking of electronics, not household. I've never worked with wiring houses.

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Reply to FatBurger

I wasn't blaming you, exactly. I was just pointing out that he was wrong and you confirmed him. Therefore, he may grab a live black wire expecting it to be nuetral. I doubt he will grab any wires while he is plugged in, though. As Lakedude pointed out, his power supply would probably work with those two wires crossed.

Household AC in US comes into your house in three wires. One is +110V RMS, One is -110V RMS, and one is nuetral. If you look at your fuse panel (or cicuit breaker box) you will notice two "hot" power bars that have "fingers" that point toward the other bar (they kind of interlace, but don't touch each other). When a 110V circuit breaker is attached to the panel it makes contact with one power bar. The breaker directly below will make contact with the opposite power bar. So, about half of your 110V circuits are running on +110V and half are running on -110V (your appliances won't care which). A 220V breaker is double the size of a 110V breaker and makes contact with both power bars (+110V to -110V gives 220V). The general rule is to use black for the hot wires that come off of the breakers to your outlets/appliances, white for nuetral, green or bare copper is ground and usually attached to copper water pipe or copper rod driven into the ground. Red is usually used for the second hot lead for a 220V line. And that ends this lesson in Home Wiring 101 :smile:

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Reply to mousepotato

Nit pick.

So long as by +110 and -110 you mean that their phases are 180 degrees apart then you are correct. On 3 phase the 3 hot wires are 120 degrees apart not 180 so the result of going across two phases in 3 phase is 208 not 240. Also in the US the 110VAC was increased to 120VAC some years back.

None of this is all that important, I'm just showing off.

Also on 3 phase your hots are usually black, red and blue. White is always return and green is always ground except when your house is built by BACFs.

With normal house current you have a 60Hz signal that comes in on two lines. The voltage on the two lines is AC and exactly the same except that one is slightly delayed from the other, this time is exactly 1/120 of a second. 1/60 seconds is the time it takes to go all the way around 360 degrees. 180 degrees is half that amount of time. On 3 phase the first phase is a refrence point that starts at 0. The second phase starts 120 degrees later. Lets do the math: 360 degrees = 1/60 seconds. 120 degrees = (1/60)/3 = 1/180 seconds. So on 3 phase the first phase starts at 0 second, the second at 1/180 seconds and the third 2/180 or 1/90 seconds after that.

Reply to lakedude

BACF?

I usually use the word 'contractor' as an expletive. As in, "Holy F**king Contractors, Batman!"

Reply to ejsmith2

Yep, sounds like you know your [-peep-]. It has been about 15 years since my High School AC/DC Fundamentals class. I bow to your superior knowlede. :smile:

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Reply to mousepotato

<b>B</b>ackword <b>A</b>$$ <b>C</b>ountry <b>F</b>...well you figure it out.

Reply to lakedude

Arrrrg more errors


You guys please call me before messing with your wiring ok?

The thing that makes a wire hot is I squared * R losses due to the resistance of the wire itself where I is the current in the wire and R is the resistance of the wire. If a wire had perfect conducttivity (the reciprocal of resistance) then the resistance would be zero and a very small wire could carry a large current with no problem. 10 amps in a wire heats the wire exactly the same if the voltage is 110 or 220. Also #14 wire is rated at 15amps so 10amps would be no problem. #12 wire is good for 20 amps.

I have a lift in my garage that can be run on 120 or 240 volts. To provide the same power at the lift the current at 120 needs to be twice that of what it would take at 240. Say the lift draws 10 amps at 240v (which is pretty close), the total power is 10*240=2400watts. To reach 2400 watts at 120 volts we need:2400watts/120volts=20amps. So running the lift on 240 allows me to use #14 wire with a 5 amp safety margin. Running the lift on 120v would require the larger #12 wire and I would have zero safety margin.

BTW the I squared * R losses I refered to earlier are the reason the power companies crank the voltage way up to send power long distances. They loose less power to the transmission line and can use smaller wires with the higher voltage.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Lakedude on 06/23/01 05:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to lakedude

Ahhh, transmission power loss... High school physics all over again. :^)

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Reply to silverpig

I'm not doubting you, but wondering why resistors are rated in watts?

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Reply to mousepotato
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Because that is the maximum power drop they accept without burning.

If you have a circuit that needs to pumb current X you need to know the resistance and the power rating.

You need to supply 2A to a device and the resistor is a 10 ohm resistor, you know it will drop 2^2x10 = 40W, therefore you know what size resistor to buy.

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Reply to peteb

Mouse has a good point. If resistors were rated in amps all that math would be unneeded. Like in your example if you needed 2 amps then you would just buy a resistor rated at 2 amps.

Reply to lakedude

The wattage rating is the max power a resistor can safely handle but I don't know why they are rated in watts instead of amps. Fuses are rated in amps, volts and current interupting. In a normal low voltage circuit the only important rating is the amps. If you are running straight off a large transformer then the max current interupting could be very important. Large transformers have large inductance and once they start supplying current they don't wanna stop. So if you fuse a circuit with too low a interupt rating the fuse could blow but the current could ark across like lightning and never be stopped.


Interrupt ratings are usually very high, like in the thousands of amps.


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Lakedude on 06/23/01 07:11 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to lakedude

You bring up some good points. I always thought resistive power loss was resistive power loss.

My bad.

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true - I cannot remember now why this is so. I'm sure there must have been a good, but currently obscure reason....

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Reply to peteb

<So running the lift on 240 allows me to use #14 wire with a 5 amp safety margin.>

Wouldn't that be 10 amps for a safety margin? (3 conductor 14 guage wire using 120V RMS and -120V RMS) A load that draws 10 amps at 240v would only draw 5 amps max from two 14 guage @ 120v cables.

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Reply to Negaverse23

It is 10amps. The exact math in AC is too complicated for me to explain or even remember so I'll try to explain in terms of DC. In DC electronics a +12vdc from a power supply above ground is like (+)120ac (I hate doing this, this way). A power supply with both +12 and -12vdc above and below ground making 24vdc between the two is like 240vac with (+)120 and (-)120 vac above and below ground together to make a total of 240vac(sort of). OK so now we are thinking in terms of dc which everybody understands better. If we need to deliver 240 watts of power to a load with a +12vdc ps we need to pump out 20amps of current to a load of .6 ohms. To protect this circuit you would use one 20 amp circuir breaker on the hot line only, you don't fuse a return. So 20amps goes out on the hot and comes back on the return. Now lets say we need to deliver the same 240 using a power supply that puts out both +12 and -12 vdc. Since we now have a total of 24vdc across the load the total current will need to be 10 amps and the loads resistance needs to be 2.4 ohms. Since only two wires go to the load 10 amps must travel thru all 3 parts of the circuit. All 3 circuit elements are in series so the current in each must be the same. The 3 elements are: 1)the wire from the +12vdc to the load, 2)the load, and 3) the wire from the load to -12vdc. If you were to try to protect the 24vdc circuit with circuit breakers you would use two 10 amp circuit breakers one for each 12vdc leg. The total current is only 10 amps (10 going out and 10 comming back) not 20. If you expand this same logic to ac you can think of the lift as being powered by 10amps going out and 10 comming back in. It is only 10 amps total. Of course all of this is totally wrong technically but it helps visualize what is going on.



<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by LaKeDuDe on 06/24/01 01:45 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to lakedude

H, i'm mark from switzerland,
working electrician,i that what vou explain is right.

Why i search this site?

I want only to know the american color codes of electric wiring: 1phase 125VAC

black = live

white = neutral

green = protection earth (PE)

In switzerland we use the new CENELEC cable color codes,EN (european norm standard): 3phase

brown = live (L1)

black = live (L2)

grey = live (L3)

blue = blue neutral (it's very important to use this one)

Reply to Anonymous

green-yellolw = (PE) protection earth

Reply to Anonymous

You are earmarked for a raping with a cactus btw.

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Reply to strangestranger

Sorry,i don't understand what you exactly mean Cactusbrother????????????????

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Nice Computer, very expensive, no?

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I thought the Swiss were about letting things die with dignity(ass). Since when have they got into resurrecting the dead?

HINT: Check the date of the last post before yours.

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Hey, you Swiss idiot, a) the OP was referring to single-phase 110VAC wiring while you were referring to 3-phase, and b) the last post before yours is EIGHT SODDING YEARS OLD!

In fact, due to your lack of precision and intelligence, not to mention common sense, I highly doubt you're Swiss at all.

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