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AGP X800XT review at FiringSquad

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a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2004 11:31:25 PM

Well, ATI is putting out an AGP version of the X800XT in an attempt to compete with the 6800GT. Price $450 MSRP, I'm sure it will take a while for prices to come down to $400 or below. Maybe once XTpe's are more available and demand slows a bit. Anyway, the card performs well, especially at 1600x1200 where it often overtakes the 6800U. Not in Doom 3 of course, but still not bad. Will they be on all the store shelves soon, that remains to be seen. If prices settle in someday = 6800GT, this card should compete well.

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a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2004 12:21:46 AM

I think the issue is that the chips are still fairly rare, once demand for PCIe takes the strain off of AGP supplies then I'd expect prices to come down more, until then everything is overpriced at the retailers.

This was bound to happen, but really a little late IMO. Maybe they just couldn't fill XTPE demand, so what's the point in adding XT demand on top of that? Dunno, but that's why I'm thinking the delay.


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September 28, 2004 2:38:30 AM

I hope we won't end up soon with a PCI vs AGP pricing situation with AGP vs PCIe. Ya know, how crappy PCI cards cost so much more than their AGP counterparts and suck royally compared to them?

I wonder...

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September 28, 2004 2:40:52 AM

I haven't checked out much, but the XT PE is indeed higher clocked than the regular XT, right?

If not, then PCIe's bandwidth must really be working after all.

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a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2004 6:12:46 AM

Well I don't think there will be any AGP cards in the 'background' the way there were with PCI, there will still be PCI for a while thanks to workstations, but really once people start moving to PCIe, AGP will die, not hold on with expensive AGP versions of PCIe cards, although think about it, wouldn't am AGP bridgesd PCIe card have to cost more than the one that doesn't have the bridge. It would stand to reason that in the future the AGP cards will have to be more expensive just because of cost to mfr.

Yes the PE is clocked faster than the plain XT, and there are PE versions of both AGP/PCIe. The thing to keep in mind is the effect of memory on the cards (often DDR2 @ 533+) as well as other differences.


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September 29, 2004 3:36:24 AM

So what you're saying is that a presence of AGP support later on WOULD cost more than the PCIe solution, right?

I take into assumption in the next years, there will still be many using an AGP board, hence my concern.

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September 29, 2004 4:36:10 AM

This months pcmag reviewed (baby test it seems) all these top notch killer cards. They tested and gave asus v9999 the editors choice.

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a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2004 6:13:00 AM

Well yes AGP cards will have the added cost of the reverse PCIe to AGP bridge, and thus should cost nV and ATI more to make, even if they don't equate into higher MSRPs, although that would make sense too.

As for the future it will be grim IMO, and likely you will see limited new AGP cards once the PCIe boards and cards start really moving. There is no workstation market for the basic add in cards to keep AGP alive. The option may be to buy a 2 year old AGP card, and if you already have top of the line, likely they will prefer you upgrade your entire solution rather than trying to bridge back the future cards.

But then again that depends on whether the market adopts PCIe fast enough or not.
As long as PCIe come out first and it's the AGP owners paying any possible premiums then it makes little difference to me.


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a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2004 6:19:58 AM

How is the ASUS #1 considering it wins none of the tests, the e-VGA card does best for the nV cards with 6 wins, and the Visiontek has 5 wins.

Guess for the top end cards you're looking for value, not top end. :wink:


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September 29, 2004 6:39:17 AM

i really dunno, thats PC Mag !
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