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October 14, 2004 9:38:27 PM

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October 14, 2004 10:27:11 PM

As opposite to valve , the situation is under control by microsoft and the game will not be delayed.

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October 14, 2004 11:51:21 PM

to bad its just for Xbox.
anycase if u find a torrent PM me :wink:

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October 15, 2004 12:06:23 AM

Theft and stealing is not something I support, however, I have no love for consoles post super nintendo / genesis era(I will exclude the Grand Turismo Series, Grand Theft Auto, and Fable, Golden Eye) and if they were to go away forever I wouldnt shed any tears. Id rather see a whole new world pumping money and devolpment into pc games.

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October 15, 2004 1:36:54 AM

Consoles are the futur of gaming.
Live with it.

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October 15, 2004 2:34:14 AM

LOL, you loosers have been saying that ever since the Atari 2600 looked like it was overtaking the Commodor 64.

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October 15, 2004 2:48:41 AM

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LOL, you loosers have been saying that ever since the Atari 2600 looked like it was overtaking the Commodor 64.


Looser? isnt that a word to qualify something that get things loose?



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October 15, 2004 2:52:44 AM

LOL

Currently alot of big name titles have been coming out for PC only(besides a few that will be ported to console)
you have doom3, farcry, rome: total war, hl2. There are much more and better quality pc games coming out then ever before.

Watch out for the <b><font color=red>bloody</font color=red></b> Fanboys!

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October 15, 2004 3:14:09 AM

It would imply that you've been stretched beyond normal limits...

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October 15, 2004 3:18:10 AM

Yes, well, we're all wrong though. I mean, you remember when Atari didn't go out of the console industry but instead overtook PC gaming to the point where all us PC gamers couldn't get any more games. And you remember just when PC users started getting more games again, Nintendo squashed us. And then you remember that Sega put all us PC users out of gaming.

Oh, right, that never happened. Anyone want my 1980 console that plays Pong, Tennis, and Breakout?

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October 15, 2004 3:28:12 AM

Can you elaborate more on your looser theorie. You to know a lot oh grand guru of loosing.

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October 15, 2004 3:46:26 AM

I'm getting old, so Consoles suck IMO. Sure I can understand computer illiterates enjoying them. I also see why they succeed and also have enjoyed them in the past. But besides sports games, I really don't enjoy much on a console. Especially shooters. To me they belong on a PC with mouse and KB, not some 30 button gamepad. I doubt I'd ever buy a console for myself again, although the kids surely will own one/many down the road.


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October 15, 2004 3:51:27 AM

Crash, we had a Vic 20 and a C64. IMO the C64 absolutely blew away anything else for gaming. Atari, Intelivision, Activision, Coleco, forget it. The C64 ruled!

The slow FDD was unbearable at times, but my oh my I could never count the hours spent gaming on that C64. Pretty much addcted me to PC gaming for life I think. One of my/our favorite games was Rocketball.

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October 15, 2004 4:04:52 AM

I don't like either, I use a joystick, which is one reason I don't play shooters. The other reason is, it seems like I'm just shooting people at random for no reason at all.

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October 15, 2004 4:09:56 AM

An essay on looser theorie
I shall now enrich your life by sharing with you about looser theorie. Advancments in looser theorie can be linked to many areas. While it has been acknowledged that it has an important part to play in the development of man, several of todays most brilliant minds seem incapable of recognising its increasing relevance to understanding future generations. It is estimated that that looser theorie is thought about eight times every day by the upper echelons of progressive service sector organisations, many of whom fail to comprehend the full scope of looser theorie. Keeping all of this in mind, in this essay I will examine the major issues.

Social Factors

Society is our own everyday reality. When blues legend 'Bare Foot D' remarked 'awooooh eeee only my dawg understands me' [1] he shead new light on looser theorie, allowing man to take it by the hand and understand its momentum. Both tyranny and democracy are tried and questioned. Yet looser theorie is crunchy on the outside but soft in the middle.

When one is faced with people of today a central theme emerges - looser theorie is either adored or despised, it leaves no one undecided. It is intrinsically linked to adolescent inner acclimatisation.

Economic Factors

We no longer live in a world which barters 'I'll give you three cows for that hat, it’s lovely.' Our existance is a generation which cries 'Hat - $20.'

There are a number of reasons which may be attributed to this unquestionable correlation. Of course the average wage has always depended upon looser theorie to a certain extent, but now more that ever. The financial press seems unable to make up its mind on these issues which unsettles investors.

Political Factors

Much of the writings of historians display the conquests of the most powerful nations over less powerful ones. Placing theory on the scales of justice and weighing it against practice can produce similar results to contrasting the two, equally popular approaches to looser theorie. If the reader is unaware of these, they need only to turn on the television, or pick up a newspaper or popular magazine.

In the words of a legend in their own life time, Maximilian Skank 'Man's greatest enemy is complacency with regards to personal and political hygiene.' [2] What a fantastic quote. To paraphrase, the quote is saying 'looser theorie wins votes.' Simple as that.

While looser theorie may be a giant amongst men, is it a dwarf amongst policy? I hope not.
Conclusion

To reiterate, looser theorie has played a large part in the development of man in the 20th Century and its influence remains strong. It fills a hole, ensures financial stability and is a joy to behold.



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October 16, 2004 5:38:23 AM

I think all the console bashers or those generally just disregarding them completely need to rethink your POV.

This makes no sense, some of the arguments posed have absolutely no basis.

I can understand one who finds the best genres on the PC, therefore he sticks to it.

But goddamn it, it seems like you all see it your way only and don't consider the console gamers' way!

What, sports games are more fun on PC? Racing games? Or best yet, you think Final Fantasy games lead the way on the PC, or play better on console?

Hell, it's like the paper vs electronic paper debate. (the e-book vs book) Simply put, the e-book is not going to overtake the book. Why?

The feeling. Don't you like sitting on your bed, relaxing, reading a book, enjoying changing pages?

Consequently, don't many games feel more fun on a console?

You and others may not agree, but the console gamers will.

And yes, I am one. Though I haven't bought some games in a while because the wave of new ones hasn't arrived yet, and I'm way too busy.
But I'll be damned if there is a PC alternative (or an experience as memorable) to Mario Sunshine, Zelda Windwaker, and most importantly IMO, Metroid Prime, for GameCube.
For PS2, without MGS, FF, GTA and GT, THPS it wouldn't be so meaningful. The fact is, these games BELONG to consoles. They are most enjoyed on it.
(with the slight exception of GTA)

Now I didn't mean to attack you Paul, I'm directing this in general to any person failing to see the consoles' POV. They wouldn't be so succesful if they didn't continue providing that feeling. The same way with books.
Obviously in this forum, I will meet more PC-oriented gamers, and that's to be expected, but to outright disregard the obvious market and importance of consoles is shortsighted more than anything.

Sorry, I felt like ranting.

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<font color=blue>Ede</font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 10/16/04 01:41 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
October 16, 2004 5:43:18 AM

Quote:
Consoles are the futur of gaming.
Live with it.

Not really, PCs and consoles co-exist, they each play their part.

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October 16, 2004 6:48:06 AM

nah Playstation 3 will take over the world

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October 16, 2004 11:51:58 AM

"think all the console bashers or those generally just disregarding them completely need to rethink your POV.

"This makes no sense, some of the arguments posed have absolutely no basis.

I can understand one who finds the best genres on the PC, therefore he sticks to it.

But goddamn it, it seems like you all see it your way only and don't consider the console gamers' way!"

I have nintendo, genesis, turbo graphix 16, super nintendo, nintendo 64, game cube, dream cast sitting in my attic. My brother has X-Box in his room (basketball games), I have playstation 2 in my room (Grand Turismo once every 5 months), Coming from a hard life of console gaming 7-15, and dabbeling on the new ones, I can safely say for the most part, with very few exceptions, consoles are teh suck compared to pc.

I got my first computer that had 2 megs of ram, 2400 baud modem, I cant even remember what version of windows was that point, it couldnt have been many in, prodigy just came out and that was on there (nobody used it). When I started using telix to call bbs's, playing sid meiers origional civilization and wolfenstein 3d, with no sound, not to mention legend of the red dragon on the boards, I knew from that point on pc's owned consoles. I think I might have even cried when I bought the origional doom on disc and learned my computer couldnt run it because I didnt have enough ram, I didnt even know what ram was.

I guess my point is, im not saying consoles suck I guess. I played them my whole life and enjoyed them for awhile, but even the simplest games and things on a computer just blew them away for me anyway. Im not bashing consoles blindly, I had their point of view once, I just feel that computers are superior and its a better more enjoyable fullfilling overall experience.

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October 16, 2004 1:20:45 PM

lol, it's ok Ede, I didn't take offense one bit. I knew I was setting myself up for a possible emotional response by someone who didn't agree. :smile:

Anyway, I fully see consoles have their place. Put it this way, I know many console gamers who will never be able to fully appreciate PC games. Why, simple. They need an easy to turn on system that takes zero effort and just works. Updating drivers, fine tuning ingame settings, upgrading components, setting up a LAN, etc. is beyond their abilities and/or trying would just ruin the time gaming. A crashing PC game to them isn't a small challenge to fix like it is for you or me, it's an impossible mission and fuel to a desire to kick the PC out the window. I have played console games in the past. I have found battling it out with some buddies in front of the TV playing NHL Hockey Series or Madden Football to be a blast. But in general when I play other non-sports console games, especially ones I've played already on a PC like Medal of Honor series, the console version is lame. I absolutely can't stand playing multiplayer games in a split or quartered screen when having become used to playing on a LAN. Maybe some people like it, but not me.

Racing games to me the PC owns, yet i can't claim to have played too many recent console versions. Take for instance, I bought F12002 racing maybe a year or more ago (great racing sim), $10 in the bargain bin mind you(no chance for a great console game to be $10), and then downloaded the free GTR2002 mod which is know by racing Sim fans as being one of the very best. Now compete online or on a home LAN, what console can come close to that? And the fact that top PC games hit the bargain bins cheap is a sweet deal. Call of Duty was just $10 at best Buy. Loads of great 1-2 year old games are easy to find for $10. To my knowledge that doesn't happen with the "Good" console games. Not until the console system itself is considered obsolete.

Anyway, like I said, I am getting old and have no desire to look into or get sucked into the expense of the hottest console system every year or two. PC gaming needs powerful/expensive hardware, but I enjoy putting money into something that can serve a bigger purpose too. And when I upgrade a PC gaming machine, the old one becomes a nice additional LAN machine for playing with friends. An old console just goes on eBay for 10% of the original cost.


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October 16, 2004 6:23:04 PM

I dunno, just hype.
Halo wanst terrible, it had an extremely good soundtrack, netter than most of games I have seen. Another comparable was Homeworld soundtrack and Half-life opening scene soundtrack.
Also Halo did have a good gameplay, the story line went beyond Doom3 atleast.

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October 16, 2004 8:07:15 PM

I think this is where you still don't give the other side acknowledgement.
As I said before, it is perfectly understandable how some will prefer one over the other, and the biggest reason IMO is the genres and the feeling of playing them on either platform.

The problem comes when you try to assume reasons the other platform is still used, or when you disregard the market that is still as powerful there.

You're still doing that with the assumption that it's all about fast and easy to setup and play gaming. (granted, there are some who do feel that way, but it seems like you believe this is how console gamers are in general, when many are also PC gamers) That's not what I think. I continue using the argument of experience, or feeling, because each has something that feels great about playing it on. I'll never appreciate playing GameCube games, Super Nintendo games, or any console games on the PC, nevermind emulators. You can give me the controller too, but the feel won't be there.

Can you admit you would appreciate reading a book that was uploaded to an e-book, and read it on the computer?

The same goes for console games that have their place. Is it fair to say any game is better played in front of the screen with a keyboard, mouse and tower near you? What about the feeling of being in the living room, on the couch, enjoying Zelda?

I know you may not anymore feel it that way, but my point is they, the console gamers, do. And trying to bring up reasons against them, for why they still remain on consoles is not helping it. (I mean, you can give me all the arguments to convince me why PC games are that advantageous, like you just did, but it's not going to make any difference, since this is not or was never supposed to be a debate, it's purely an opinion about which you like or both!)

I know that as you grow, you tend to leave behind most childhood habits, and consoles often are one of them dropped in favor of PC games. But that doesn't mean many don't play them when they grow up. The console market is estimated to be used by 18 to 35 years of age people, IIRC. That's still a high age considering over 10 years ago, the 6-10 year old community was going nuts on Super Nintendo (I know I was!).

Console games have evolved like PC games. Books, though they haven't physically, continue to offer a feeling an e-book won't. Consoles as well. There's also a great feeling of fun when you sit with 3 others in the room and enjoy a game of Mario Kart or Mario Party. You may think 128 players on a LAN party beats the hell out of it, but each has their place and fun factor. And even though you may not understand the other side, you should be able to recognize it does exist and is pretty much real.

There are tons of ways I can illustrate the above point, from wondering how your buddy married some ugly chick, yet to him she's the most beautiful girl in the world, to why someone supports x group and not another. Each takes pleasure in something they like, no matter how the outside views it, wrong or pointless.

Now for the record, I hope no one tries to think I'm taking the consoles' side here. I'm on the fence and that's all there is to it. Not playing the devil's advocate.
I love sitting on the couch replaying old SNES games, and new GC games, just like I love playing DOOM III, Deus Ex and other PC games.

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October 16, 2004 8:07:40 PM

Heheh, you have been preaching that news since forever. :lol: 

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October 16, 2004 8:11:59 PM

Quote:
Coming from a hard life of console gaming 7-15, and dabbeling on the new ones, I can safely say for the most part, with very few exceptions, consoles are teh suck compared to pc.

That's relative, not a fact.

I'm 18, have had an SNES since 1992, I was <b>6</b> back then. I still play it and my GC and plan to buy new GC games when I have free time to play any games at all and the money is there.

I'm also planning to buy HL2. I'm still inside both markets.

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but even the simplest games and things on a computer just blew them away for me anyway.

For many, Pong made their lives worth it. For many, including me, Super Mario Bros blows away any experience, because it's all about nostalgia and hearing and seeing it all again. For you it's a PC game. What's different here?

Quote:
Im not bashing consoles blindly, I had their point of view once, I just feel that computers are superior and its a better more enjoyable fullfilling overall experience.

Now THERE's something I prefer reading. You made the statement as an opinion, not as a fact, which is what I wanted to see. And I respect that.

Still doesn't mean I won't go stab you at night. :tongue:

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October 16, 2004 8:41:02 PM

Well, I'm probably looser than you right now, but that's just because I took a big crap.

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October 16, 2004 8:48:32 PM

Yeah, everything I wrote was just personal opinion and not intended for debate. I'm not knocking you or console gamers in general. We are all gamers, just some of us have matured and moved on. :wink: Just kidding, LOL.

I'm just saying personally, I have put thousands into consoles and console games, and that's a thing of the past for me. Thankfully I have lost interest in them and have no desire to spend my money there. Also, rarely have I played a game on my nephews gamecube that I find to be alot of fun. I'd rather go back downstairs and break out the PC games. But that's just me, he likes them both big time. Give me a console and 10 good games, sure over time I'd grow addicted to them I bet. Probably delete this whole post. :smile:

Nostalga I understand. Hence mame sure is fun because I am old enough to be from the Pacman/centipede/Galaga era. Those games from my youth are irreplaceable.


I won't knock anyone for wanting/using consoles, not even you Ede. :wink: It's just a personal thing that the PC is the future for me. I still see the PC as the underdog so I'll be supporting the PC gaming industry. Consoles are here to stay, but as long as PC games stay too I'll be happy.

By the way, I'd never enjoy reading an e-book. No thanks. In fact some of my posts are so long, I don't even want to read them. :tongue:


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October 16, 2004 10:45:12 PM

As far as graphics go, a significant difference is that PC games give developers a continually evolving technology base, constant additions of new features, and a target market with steadily improving system specs. The console development toolkits do get some revisions, but there is a big learning curve involved especially working on something like the Playstation 2, and you can tell the difference between an original PS2 game and one that came out in 2004. Console gamers have to wait 4-5 years for each generation; I much prefer the regular improvements that you see in PC technology and games.

First-person-shooters are still king on the PC, and not only do the great ones show off the high-tech but, also, they are best played with a mouse and keyboard. PC is also home for certain genres that practically don't exist on consoles, like flight simulators and the vast majority of strategy games.

Really though, they both serve a purpose. Some of the greatest games of all time have been on console systems. Consoles are also nice because they are cheap- PS2 is now $150 (and it sports a sleek new look). To build a solid, modern gaming rig will set you back at least $700. There are a lot of issues involved, I prefer PC games nowadays, but I do think that consoles can really be a lot of fun.

BTW Eden I agree, Zelda:Windwaker and Metroid Prime are both a <i>lot</i> of fun, Windwaker being one of the best games I've ever played. Not sure if I liked it more than Ocarina, but nonetheless it's spectacular.

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October 17, 2004 12:36:46 AM

If only pc game would run as fast as console game in a comparison between their hardware...

I cant understand things like halo running FLAWLESSLY on xbox and yet slow down all the time at the same setting on my MUCH BETTER hardware. I know that making a game for pc is aiming at a moving target but cmon my hardware is like 10 time faster than the xbox.

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October 17, 2004 1:43:10 AM

BTW guys, I leaked it !

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October 17, 2004 2:43:08 AM

Did you just leak in your pants....how [-peep-] gross.

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October 17, 2004 3:32:44 AM

golf clap :tongue:

i meant the game, bitch :tongue:

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October 17, 2004 7:13:47 AM

I can't ever get into playing with a joypad, a multi button swingy crappy thing or whatever they might come up with.

if they had full online ability, bumped prices up to 300 bux, had some linux sorts of commands, standardized a simple keyboard and mouse combo, they would rock all the markets.

ps2 still is horrible for online ability. Same with xbox in a lesser way, I just dont understand while people like them so much, probably just a money thing? (cheaper to buy used and trade them in for new titles, systems cost 120 dollars refurb, shrugs, thats about all the advantage i can see)
October 17, 2004 3:14:37 PM

There's their side, and there's the PC side. You don't have to get it, you just have to acknowledge they have the exact feeling you get out of PC games.

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October 17, 2004 3:28:42 PM

I'm glad we reached a common point though. I'm not trying to convert anyone, because quite frankly, I play on both gaming sides. All I want is people to stop seeing this inexistant rivalry with the other side, as if they don't co-exist or complement each other in some ways. Sometimes my bro's on the comp, and I don't want to play on the laptop, maybe I just want a fun title on the GC, not just because it's a quick to launch game(well, apart from a few, remember some of those games who had so many logo screens it never ended? LOL, they lasted a minute almost with the amount of companies involved! :lol:  ) but also fun to sit on the couch and play old-school. If the console was meant to compete against the PC, then it would have failed. Obviously. And quite frankly, the need for a keyboard and mouse to make a console <i>look</i> like a PC would only make it less and less what it was defined once. I don't think I'm ready for that. But I know sometimes it needs it, to <i>keep up</i> with the PC. And it has so far. Heck, in a generation wanting online gaming above all, it's quite nice and interesting to see that the GC continues without that hardware (very few titles ever used the seemingly cancelled online gaming ability) for multiplayer online, and it still succeeds.

The GameBoy DS will continue evolving its already existent multiplayer capability with wireless. It's an evolution, not just trying to keep up or even competing, which is nice to see on the mini system. Heck, the GB is one piece of hardware not even the PocketPC will equal in versatility and fun factor. It has an insane amount of games, and I believe they are all still supported since the first GB. Now THAT is powerful backwards compatibility. You have over 1000 full games you can play on the road.
While at the same time, a PocketPC is an amazing piece of hardware for those requiring wireless access to their e-mail, contacts, tasks, or to synchronize that information without having a heavy expensive laptop or their PC with them (doesn't it just look odd to see someone walking on the street with a HUGE carrying case with them? :lol:  ), and also just enjoy having something that's almost a PC in its own ways, with music and video capability, and the occasional gaming.

I see a console as very versatile for its mobility (ex: I can take just the game to a friend who has the console and quickly start playing, or I can just take the console with little pain compared to the weight of a PC and its general bulkiness), while I see the PC very versatile for its offerings, it's a multipurpose machine, and at that, it suceeds. No X-Box can ever convince a secretary she can do text editing on it from now! :smile:

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<font color=blue>Ede</font color=blue>
October 17, 2004 3:37:51 PM

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As far as graphics go, a significant difference is that PC games give developers a continually evolving technology base, constant additions of new features, and a target market with steadily improving system specs. The console development toolkits do get some revisions, but there is a big learning curve involved especially working on something like the Playstation 2, and you can tell the difference between an original PS2 game and one that came out in 2004. Console gamers have to wait 4-5 years for each generation; I much prefer the regular improvements that you see in PC technology and games.

Yeah, it seems like with technology more similar to the PC architecture, it tends to be different coding for a console now than it was before. I know the PS2 had some incredibly difficult architecture to code for. Heck, to this day I doubt it's ever used its potential. I had heard it has 16 pipelines!
At the same time, there is a great evolution in some systems, in graphics. The best examples I can give are the SNES and PS. PS at first was a crappy 5-tone world, now see what games like Chrono Cross look like on it!
And look at Super Mario World, then look at how Chrono Trigger or even Super Mario RPG changed the graphics on the SNES!

For immersion though, I think a PC takes the prize because you are closer to the screen, more in contact with the environnment. There's another feeling there. Flight Sims wouldn't always be too obvious on consoles, not unless you had that cool 60" plasma! :cool:
And even then, you have little ways to use all features of a PC Flight Sim. (which then maybe a keyboard would help such games out)

BTW, there are STILL games on the PS2 that lack a lot of visual prowess. It just seems like they can't code for it like they can for GC or X-Box. I still see this huge lack of detailed texturing and polygons.

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First-person-shooters are still king on the PC, and not only do the great ones show off the high-tech but, also, they are best played with a mouse and keyboard. PC is also home for certain genres that practically don't exist on consoles, like flight simulators and the vast majority of strategy games.

Yup, my sentiments indeed.


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<font color=blue>Ede</font color=blue>
October 17, 2004 3:42:02 PM

Aside from problematic code porting problems, consoles have also the advantage of dedicated hardware. No function or processing goes to anything else than the actual game itself. (also, developpers tend to need to optimize less for the console version, knowing it's almost rated to run at a minimum of 30FPS. However coding does evolve, that's a fact proven with the PS and SNES) That alone gives the console greater performance in general. It doesn't necessarily mean you will play the Canyon Flight game in 3dMark 05 at 60FPS though! :wink:

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<font color=blue>Ede</font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 10/17/04 11:43 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
October 17, 2004 6:21:23 PM

I do agree about the evololution of graphics on consoles.

Final Fantasy II -> Final Fantasy III/Chrono Trigger

Final Fantasy VII -> Final Fantasy IIX/Metal Gear Solid

The graphics are practically worlds apart.

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