Doom3 and HL2... I had to share this...

[Titanion]

This is from PCWorld / November 2003 / page 168

"Valve Software's Half Life 2 wasn't available at the time of this writing, but it should be in stores by the time you read this. If you live for Doom, however, you will just have to be patient: Id Software's long-awaited upgrade, Doom III: The Legacy, won't be ready until early next year."



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[cleeve]

Meh?

Was the review written at the end of last year?

If so, it suggests that the game was in a reviewable state at the end of last year... which gives credence to Valve actually being done alot sooner, but waiting until Steam was reworked because of the source code leak...

Or maybe just a huge, stupid error?

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[Titanion]

The article was published in the November 2003 issue...

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Meaning it was probably written in August/Septemeber and found on Store shelves in October (most magazines lead by one month [I already have Nov. MaximumPC and a few others]).

I think alot of magazines had stories like that 'by the time you're reading this...', the same was said about a few items in the last two months of CPU (SLI/ALX being one IIRC).

That's the problem with having publishing lead times. Of course magazines make more out of it than they need to, heck I get The Economist every monday (dated for the week I'm reading no less) with barely week old news in it.


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[priyajeet]

Valve has been delaying the game for like 2 years now. Nov 2003 was the time when i think it got leaked.

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[Xeon]

Didnt that fat ass liar admit there was no source code leak? I am pretty sure he did but being its 7am I am not about to go looking for it.

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[rx7000]

I remember reading about an award leading to teh arrest of those responsible.

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[priyajeet]

nope it was. FBI even made arrests, un less u think those were staged

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[Titanion]

If a product is ready, why sit on it for a year or longer? Will that lost earning potential ever be made up? They will make a LOT of money with HL2, but will they really make more money after waiting so long? It seems like the opportunity cost is through the roof. This last year could have been spend on development toward a future project.

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[priyajeet]

I remeber Gabe mentioning (earlier this year), if required they were ready to spend addition $20Million over the next 1 year (thats till march 2005) for making the game better.

:tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue:

 

[priyajeet]

HL2 <A HREF="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/halflife2/" target="_new">metacritic score</A> aint up right now, but considering ll those reviews there and shown on halflife2.net, its gonna hover around 95-96, which is extremely high. Doom3 has a <A HREF="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3/" target="_new">score of 87</A>. Best games ever were:
<pre>1 Half-Life 96
2 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 95
3 Command & Conquer 94
4 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 94
5 Civilization II 94
6 Quake 94
7 Grim Fandango 94
8 Diablo 94
9 Unreal Tournament 2004 93
10 Grand Theft Auto III 93
11 Homeworld 93
12 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 93
13 System Shock 2 92
14 Sims, The 92
15 Championship Manager 4 92
</pre><p> :tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue:

 

[Titanion]

I like seeing Baldur's Gate II way up there, but IMO, GB1 was way better than BG2... gamers just didn't like idea of ending a game at level 8... but when you leveled up in BG, you earned it...

I wonder if by waiting, they let the gamers out there upgrade to systems that can play the game... perhaps a lot more people will buy the game because a lot more people can play the game... I do not think this was a strategy, but it is a reality... sure, some people upgrade for a game, but many others only play what their system can handle... I guess a lot of other people buy games and do not upgrade until a games kicks the hell out of their computer...

Could it be that they waited because they have integrity? That would be something.

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[priyajeet]

BTW <A HREF="http://www.metacritic.com/games/pc/scores/" target="_new">heres</A> the full list.

You will see that Counter Strike has a higher score than Doom3

All those are critic scores and may differ from us users (though i agree with #1) I wud have put Doom 3 in top 10 for sure. CS (bcos of its originality) in top 15. Rest all games are pretty popular.

I wud have given quake to be no. 2 for sure.
best local multplayer UT2004
best gameplay HL
best online multiplayer CS
best deathmatch Q3 arena

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[priyajeet]

how abt <A HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65403,00.html?tw=rss.TOP" target="_new">this</A> game ?
wud luv to play CSS on that.

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[sweatlaserxp]

why sit on it

Exactly my feelings about Doom 3- they spent way too much time designing spectacular environments while not succeeding in creating diverse gameplay (it is fun at night, in the dark, though). If they had focused a little bit less on the sheer volume of content, they could have had it out last year, no doubt about it, and it would have had more gameplay value.

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[Xeon]

Well because Valve can't make good code, legal issues with Sierra, very little game content, just to name a few reasons why they sat on the game for so long.

Christ the current version of CS2 or whatever they are going to call it now has a full access to your system flaw in it. I understand MS having to deal with a problem like that lots of goofy programmers over there. But a company that claims they can play with the big boys can’t even get code out the door that at least works well with the OS.

Take it from Carmack and the time he placed on the game. I have yet to see the game crash or give me any trouble other than the PDA gun deal but that’s fixed with 1.1.

For Valves sake I hope the game is good, stable, and well performing. But I guess coming from me that doesn’t mean too much, since I have absolutely no love for Valve.

Also I am a firm believer that source code leak was bullshit simply because what the hell are they going to change to make the engine that much more different from the last build??? What they change compilers, load order, optimized, memory management, what what I don’t even know what the hell they were up to other than making more game content (that’s a plus) and cleaning up code (another plus).

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