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November 3, 2004 6:00:52 AM

I am currently running a P4 1.5ghz and 512mb of sd ram, with a intel mobo that has agp 4x...

I have recently been offered a ATI Radeon 9600xt for sale (the 256mb ddr model, not the 128) and I was wondering, if I were to buy this and run it on my pc, could I play newish games such as Doom on medium settings or Farcry etc?


All help is greatly apreciated.

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November 3, 2004 6:30:19 AM

yes u can.
but dont get hopes too high.

:tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue:
November 3, 2004 7:40:16 AM

<<yes u can.
but dont get hopes too high.>>

Why is that?
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November 3, 2004 7:56:29 AM

Because the 9600 series is a budget gamer card and nothing more. You can expect playable frame rates, but don't expect to run doom at high resolutions

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November 3, 2004 7:57:45 AM

I plan to run at 1024x768, with this and my system, can I play Doom 3 and far cry good?


Thanks btw.
November 3, 2004 8:14:20 AM

Quote:
Because the 9600 series is a budget gamer card and nothing more.

STFU.

The 9600 series was an excellent mid-range card. It hasnt been untill recently(since the price drop in 9800 series) that it really isnt condidered to be a midrange card anymore.

Budget card's are 9200's and 5200's noob.


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November 3, 2004 8:57:04 AM

exactly, with the price drop of the 9800 it IS a budget gamer card.

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AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (stock)//1GB Corsair 3200XL//ATI Radeon 9700Pro (360/335)//WD Raptor 74GB/Antec Neopower 480W//Lian Li PC-61 Custom
November 3, 2004 9:10:29 AM

Dude you need to calm down...I said budget GAMER card, not budget card. For a gamer a 9600 will give you good preformance, but not near what you can get for a couple hundred more, hence as a gamer, it is in the budget catagory.

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AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (stock)//1GB Corsair 3200XL//ATI Radeon 9700Pro (360/335)//WD Raptor 74GB/Antec Neopower 480W//Lian Li PC-61 Custom
November 3, 2004 9:26:05 AM

Well my question is if it I can play games such as doom 3, facry at 1024x768 on a 9600xt with a p41.5?
November 3, 2004 10:11:14 AM

Thankyou GeneticWeapon for your help, you have been very helpful ;) 
November 3, 2004 10:48:26 AM

Just a quick question.

Is there an email or pm page where I can contact GreatGrapeApe?
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2004 11:46:20 AM

After putting the 9600XT into your system, It's your CPU and Ram that will be the bottleneck. CPU/ram is going to limit Doom 3 more for you than a R9600XT will. Think about it, your at minimum spec for Doom 3 CPU wise and the 9600XT is far above minimum spec. A P4 1.5 running with SDR is not much faster than a P3 1.0GHz or TBird 1.2GHz running SDR.

Anyway, The 9600XT is still a decent capable card. "Don't expect too much" is a valid comment but should have been directed at the cpu/ram and not the 9600XT.

As far as farcry, I know personally I've tried it on a TBird 1.2GHz KT133 PC133 machine with various cards. I didn't even find a 9800 Pro to play smooth in that system at modest settings whereas on a fast system it plays just fine. Framerates were too up and down on the slow system.

That said, what video card do you have now & how much is the 9600XT? If the price is right and you have a slow card now, then go for it. In games that play on sub 1.0GHz machines you should get decent performance out of that radeon.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 11/03/04 08:49 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2004 12:07:16 PM

<A HREF="http://www.gamespot.com/features/6104596/p-4.html" target="_new">Quick link</A> to support my last post: Note that with a P4 @ 1.6GHz on DDR memory, the 9600XT performs equal to the 9800 Pro and 6800U at 800x600 medium. Forget 1024x768. And on SDR P4's will be much slower even.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
November 3, 2004 12:08:45 PM

Thanks for your detailed post Daul ;) 

I currently have a GeForce 2 mx400, 64mb :|

So any car will be a vast improvement ;) 

The 9600xt is 2 months old and is only $135usd, new is $266usd.

I can only afford to buy second hand if I want to get a good card.

There is also a Albatron Geforce FX 5900 XTV for sale, thats second hand also but $181.241 USD.

Am I better of spending the extra dough for the 5900, but this means I wont be able to afford additional ram.

Thanks in advance ;) 
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2004 12:21:38 PM

In the USA, neither of those are good prices for a used card!

New ones can be found for that price now. Don't let original list prices fool you, that is not a $266 card. Anyone claiming that is ripping you off. Even the AIW Radeon 9600XT(nice card) is available for well under $200. A 9800 Pro is available for under $200 also and was once a $400 card. And no, IMO the 5900XT is not worth the extra money for you either. Not at all.

Also even though D3 seems to show a benifit with 256MB cards at high detail settings, and on faster systems, It is generally considered to be worth nothing over the 128MB versions.

Anyway, 9600pro or XT priced right would be good for you. if you want to save money on a used card, grab a GF4Ti4200/4400/4600 cheap. That would be a good match for your system and those can be found for $35-50 used.

That's all my opinion anyway; Daul :eek: 



ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
November 3, 2004 3:38:25 PM

Replacing a GeForce 2 MX400 64 Meg card with a 9600TX; I did the same thing a couple of months ago. I’m rather impressed with the 9600XT; although I got the 128 Meg version, and moved from a K7 classic 500 MHz processor to a XP 2500+ processor with half a gig of RAM so my performance increase is not completely due to the video card. By the way I only paid $145 for my card and it was a new retail box version that came with Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield. $266 is way too high. If I were upgrading now I’d save up for a 9800 PRO.
November 3, 2004 9:44:13 PM

Thanks for that, I am currently looking into a new motherboard/ram/cpu/gf card replacement for my pc so it will be alot better.
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2004 11:59:07 PM

Howdy, I was in WinterPeg on Business for 3 days, sorry I didn't get to the forum until today, and still trying to catch up. (EDEN, I will post a pic of the Dell Laptop being used on AirCanada's new 110V/60Hz plug in [no adapters needed anymore {dang already bought ONE! :eek:  }], nothing sexy, just watching 'Dead Like Me').

As for your question, yes you should be able to handle D3 and 'FartCry' OK. Your System will likely hold you back slightly (but that would be the same for any card). The R9600series is likely very well matched for your current setup and even to slight upgrades. Higher settings would not only push your card, but also stress the limits of your CPU/Memory (is that DDR SD or just ancient PC1xx SD?). 1024x768 in D3 should be a breeze for medium settings for the card (I run my R9600Pro @ 1280x1024 medium on an XP2000+), the only thing I'm not sure about is the CPU, since most of the reviews of the min. CPU requirement were also coupled with the minimum VPU/GPU requirement.

When I'm done here at work (about 30 mins) I'll go home and underclock my FSB (to emulate a 'weakened system) and try my pro running at 500/300 (to emulate the R9600XT). Of course the 256mb may help a tiny bit, but at these low settings I doubt the impact would be that large.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 12:38:22 AM

Yep I'm leaving now (well in 5 mins [gotta clean-up]), so hopefully I can post shortly thereafter. And I'll post the PIC then too. :cool:


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 11/03/04 07:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 4, 2004 1:25:56 AM

LMAO! Great comebacks Genetic.

I can play Doom3 at 800x600 Medium Quality at about 40-50fps and I can play FarCry at 1024x768 High Quality and get about 50-60FPS.

<font color=blue>AthlonXP-M 2500+(12x200)</font color=blue>|<font color=green>Abit NF7-S</font color=green>|<font color=red>Kingston DDR400 2x256Mb</font color=red>|<font color=purple>NEC Accucync90 19"</font color=purple>|<font color=black>Sapphire 9600XT</font color=black>
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 2:09:07 AM

Your system plays Farcry 1024 high and gets 50-60 fps? From what i recall when I first played through farcry, With a mobile XP2500+ @ 2.4GHz and an overclocked 9800 Pro that is about all I averaged PLAYING farcry. I was amazed how demanding the game was. Maybe my memory is off and I have to bench that again.


Needless to say a 2.2Ghz AXP is a whole different story than a P4 1.5 on SDR.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
November 4, 2004 4:10:41 AM

Thanks for the info TheGreatGrapeApe ;) 

I am on 512mb sd ram (pc133) :|

As for the proccsor, when I bought it, I was told it was 1.6ghz, but using third party apps (cpuz) It shows 1.5ghz...
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 4:55:25 AM

OK Finished the D3 Benchmrking (took longer than expected due to phonecall [and sipping a little Wild Turkey w/ Honey Liquer on the rocks :cool: );

First, a <A HREF="http://img106.exs.cx/img106/4985/D_PLANE.jpg" target="_new">PICTURE of Laptop on Plane</A> and the new <A HREF="http://img106.exs.cx/img106/8434/AC_AC.jpg" target="_new">Direct AC sockets</A> on the newer AirBuses. Surprised how poorly these turned out. Guess using Macro on a vibrating plane isn't a great idea. :lol: 

Here's the quicky Benchies, using the pre-caching Timedemo ('<i>Timedemo Demo1 1[i/]');

R9600series running 499.5/299 for both runs (system has 512mb DDR400) Setting 1024x768 Medium;

<b>XP2000+ running 1667mhz (133mhz FSB):</b>

<font color=purple><b>First Run w/ Fraps on: 78.5 seconds / 27.4 fps
Second Run No Fraps: 78.2 seconds / 27.5 fps</b></font color=purple>

<b>XP2000+ running 1262mhz (100mhz FSB):</b>

<b><font color=orange>First Run w/ Fraps on: 86.1 seconds / 24.9 fps
Second Run No Fraps: 85.8 seconds / 25.0 fps</font color=orange></b>

FRAPS RAW DATA;

<i>RUN 1 (FSB 133 / 1667 mhz)</i>:

Sec / FPS

1 / 29
2 / 24
3 / 21
4 / 24
5 / 25
6 / 46
7 / 24
8 / 16
9 / 19
10 / 18
11 / 16
12 / 17
13 / 19
14 / 20
15 / 37
16 / 62
17 / 69
18 / 64
19 / 46
20 / 24
21 / 35
22 / 26
23 / 22
24 / 25
25 / 25
26 / 40
27 / 39
28 / 34
29 / 26
30 / 50
31 / 28
32 / 30
33 / 26
34 / 21
35 / 21
36 / 19
37 / 17
38 / 24
39 / 33
40 / 23
41 / 18
42 / 23
43 / 21
44 / 26
45 / 38
46 / 35
47 / 28
48 / 31
49 / 27
50 / 34
51 / 29
52 / 23
53 / 22
54 / 26
55 / 35
56 / 45
57 / 27
58 / 18
59 / 22
60 / 31
61 / 42
62 / 32
63 / 30
64 / 29
65 / 29
66 / 24
67 / 23
68 / 18
69 / 17
70 / 19
71 / 20
72 / 20
73 / 20
74 / 13


<i>Run 2 (FSB 100 / 1232 mhz):</i>

Sec / FPS

1 / 29
2 / 23
3 / 22
4 / 22
5 / 25
6 / 46
7 / 24
8 / 16
9 / 19
10 / 17
11 / 17
12 / 16
13 / 19
14 / 21
15 / 36
16 / 57
17 / 51
18 / 68
19 / 51
20 / 27
21 / 24
22 / 26
23 / 20
24 / 18
25 / 20
26 / 19
27 / 20
28 / 38
29 / 39
30 / 34
31 / 26
32 / 48
33 / 21
34 / 24
35 / 22
36 / 21
37 / 16
38 / 17
39 / 15
40 / 15
41 / 13
42 / 17
43 / 32
44 / 25
45 / 14
46 / 14
47 / 25
48 / 19
49 / 30
50 / 41
51 / 29
52 / 30
53 / 29
54 / 21
55 / 25
56 / 25
57 / 26
58 / 19
59 / 20
60 / 19
61 / 32
62 / 44
63 / 25
64 / 15
65 / 15
66 / 17
67 / 22
68 / 35
69 / 40
70 / 27
71 / 30
72 / 28
73 / 25
74 / 24

So as you can see the impact is somewhat limited, but definitely there. So I'd say it's still OK even on a limited system.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
November 4, 2004 7:05:48 AM

Thankyou very much for going out of your way for me !

Just a quick question, your test used 512mb of DDR400, how would my pc peform with 512mb of PC133?
November 4, 2004 11:44:24 AM

Well currently I don't have it installed. But it seemed like I was playing at 1024x768 at high quality. Maybe it was medium quality. I remember I was surprised I could play at that res. and quality. p.s. My "6" key doesn't work anymore :(  I have to use the numpad now. Damn mirco inventions

<font color=blue>AthlonXP-M 2500+(12x200)</font color=blue>|<font color=green>Abit NF7-S</font color=green>|<font color=red>Kingston DDR400 2x256Mb</font color=red>|<font color=purple>NEC Accucync90 19"</font color=purple>|<font color=black>Sapphire 9600XT</font color=black>
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 5:11:43 PM

Well I think any advantage of the DDR400 would be nullified by the seriously slower CPU in my case. It's likely close to your performance as the CPU is much slower, and the memory is a bit faster. I didn't want to start messing around too much with the memory settings as I have it just the way I want it.

So in the end, you may be slightly slower but I doubt the impact would be exponentially greater, likely within margin of error difference IMO.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 5:47:27 PM

I never seem to disagree with you Grape, but in this case I think that even underclocked the way you did, his system is still definately slower. I'd say his system is about like a Tbird 1.2GHz(100 bus) running on an Old KT133 PC133 setup. Which I am sure even your underclocked AXP KT400 rig still performs much better. If you were running yours at 1.0GHz(10*100), that would be more like it. Those P4 Willies with SDR were crippled and starving for memory bandwidth. Some P3's easily outperformed these higher clocked P4's on SDR.

That said, it was nice for you to do all those benchies for him. And no, I don't expect you to rerun the benchies after adjusting jumpers on that mobo even if you are running an unlocked chip. Although I'd be curious to see the difference. :wink:

I wish [H] had tested a few more cards with the minimum spec CPU, instead of just that GF4MX. IMO, that would have been very useful info for loads of people out there. i'd imagine there are loads of people in his shoes with min spec cpu's wondering if a video card upgrade could help them out.

EDIT:
Just a <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-22...." target="_new">link</A> to explain what I am saying. No they unfortunately don't have the P4 1.5 Ghz on PC133, only on PC800 (huge difference). But look at the difference between the Athlons systems. Compare the Tbird 1.2B on PC100 to the XP1500+ on PC2100. Huge difference. Even the TBird 1.4C on PC133 gets smoked by the XP1500+, Even though it is just a 1.33GHz chip, the KT266/DDR is helping it blow out the older TBirds clocked the same. My point is, I think your system underclocked is still close to the XP1500+ on these charts, where his would perform down with the P3 1.0EB and TBird 1.2B cpu's. This is a huge difference of over 70FPs in that chart, or only about 2/3's the performance. That's why I think you need to get down near 1.0GHz on a DDR running AXP like your's to be about equal to his system.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 11/04/04 03:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 6:26:33 PM

One more <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20010702/penti..." target="_new">link</A>. The P4 1.7GHz on i845 with PC133 hands down loses to the TBird 1.2GHz on DDR. It performs about 23% under what it would on RDRAM in games. It(i845) was basically a must-stay-away-from platform that only sold because it was a low cost P4.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
November 4, 2004 9:36:14 PM

Thankyou everyone for your help, you have decided for me to buy a new system instead of upgrading ;) 

Decided on a gig of Rambus, 3.2ghz P4, 9800pro and 300gb worth of raid :D 
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 10:22:08 PM

You may be right, I simply think with the marginal difference by such a bump in the FSB, that the memory would impact negatively, but the spu speed would be a little positive, and that they would even out around 90-95% of my performance. Of course I could be wrong, I do remember those Craptacular 1.3ghz P4s that were going head to head with my Craptastic 900mhz PIII and actually coming close to each other.

The jumpers are still down, I'll try and record the memory settings and see what I can do (haven't tried underclocking the memory yet :eek:  ), if it's not a huge pain in the ass I might be able to clobber it down to PC1600 maybe, but I still wonder how much impact that will have on the FPS. I don't doubt the results will be negative,and his rig may be lower than the 100mhz FSB version of mine, just that I don't think it's AS CPU limited as we think (maybe I'lll run a stock 400/300 run as well just to see.

Depends on time tonight.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 10:26:24 PM

IMO, don't worry about RAID for gaming, and avoid RamBus memory (I assume that's a typo cause I didn't know it was still supported except by some serious adapter sockets [not worth it]).

Want fast, don't go for 300gb RAID, get a Raptor 36gb main drive and a 250gb dump drive.

Everything else should get you through at least another year of gaming, if not two.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 10:58:19 PM

Yes they did. They had a 100/200 bus version "B" and a 133/266 Bus version "C". Original KT133's usually maxed out at the 1.2B, while KT133A and newer mobos could support the 133 bus ones.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2004 11:06:02 PM

Like Grape said, Rambus is in the Past.

You could buy a i865pe mobo like the IS7 and a P4C 800 bus HT chip, and PC3200 or faster DDR. But if games is your thing, an A64 will serve you even better. Also you could save a little money on a NF2 motherboard and Athlon XP cpu.

Don't rush into anything though until you research it well and ask some opnions here. I'd think that if HardOCP said Doom 3 was enjoyable at minimum specs, you might just find it very enjoyable with your system and a new card. It may not play at the settings you hoped for, but still may prove to be very enjoyable.



ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2004 1:04:54 AM

His cpu isn't bad but it can't be used to it's full potential on an i845 SDR mobo.

I am going mostly from memory just looked back for a couple old links. But I know as a small-time system builder I avoided P4's from the start as rambus was too much money and the i845 basically sucked. So TBirds or P3's even made alot more sense. It took P4B's running PC2100 before I ever built a P4. Even then AXP's were sure priced better.

I could run Doom 3 demo on a 9500 pro TBird 1.2B KT133 system, but I can't do that standard timedemo on the demo version I don't think? So comparisons would be off if i tried actual gameplay. But at least I'd see if it were playable.

Even though I think your system underclocked is better than his, I still was amazed at how little fps you lost. Somewhere as you lower speeds more, even at those settings and with your card, the cpu will have to really hold it back though right?




ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2004 1:15:37 AM

Quote:
just that I don't think it's AS CPU limited as we think

You may very well be right. I'm curious to know. Not just Doom 3 but HL2, Farcry, MOH PA, and other new titles. If I had the time, or didn't need a job to pay the bills, I'd have a blast doing comparisons like that.

I liked the VGA charts II that THG did that used a high end and midrange system. That was real useful info. I'd like to see more comparisons done still on aging systems. Guess it's just too time consuming. But so many gamers still have 1.0GHz-2.0GHz(2000+) systems that i wish they'd include one of those and not start with P4 2.4C and Xp2500+ as a minimum cpu. They need to run all tests on every card on like 5 different systems to make me happy. Is that too much to ask? :tongue:


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
November 5, 2004 1:16:50 AM

A 74GB raptor is better than a 36GB one. I think they did some changes in that raptor. It performs better.

:tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue:
November 5, 2004 1:20:33 AM

Theres a new difinition for HIGH END floating around on <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/200411030726..." target="_new">Xbit</A>.
According to analysts, any card having more than 100M transistors is regarded as HIGH END no matter what the price/performance might be.

:tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue:
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2004 4:25:07 PM

However the price of the 74gb is significantly more in most places. I was looking towards something that can compete with a 300gb raided setup.

In a money no object world I'd say an 74GB raptor and 400gb Seagate or Hitachi (really IBM).


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2004 4:27:50 PM

Yeah it'd be nice to look at.

I didn't have time last night, dinner out and then CSI+ER and then... knoodling. :evil: 

I will try again this weekend. I'm still trying to catch up at work and at cleaning at home from having 4 days in Winnipeg over the weekend.


- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
November 5, 2004 9:49:51 PM

I have two things to say!
To: Genetic Weapon - After reading that come back, I hope that I never piss you off! I havent laughed that hard in three years.
To: TheGreatGrapeApe - You should get paid for all the work you do! Thanks for all the effort!
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2004 10:31:49 PM

:cool:

BTW, I'd prefer it if the you turned the 'P' in that sentence into an 'L'. :lol: 

Anywhoo, I get enough of both on my own :evil:  , and this is just a place to spend time while I wait for stuff at work to get actioned (like waiting for 23+1 ISDN lines with 50 DIDs to get turned up right now), so I help when I can, and in essence I get paid for it too :cool: .

EDIT: Well also it's kinda interesting in here with the cast of whackos and nutters we have (including myself in the group), so it's not only about wasting time, it's fun too.

- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp <i>(or internet account)</i> ! - <font color=green>RED </font color=green> <font color=red> GREEN</font color=red> GA to SK :evil: 
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 11/05/04 05:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 6, 2004 1:25:52 AM

Didnt mean to offend you! I will clean it up!
November 6, 2004 3:34:26 AM

Man I am slow tonight. I just got the joke!
!