I will be able to chose between an AGP ATI 9100, 128 bit, 128MB card vs. a Nvidia FX5200 128 bit, 128 MB card. For a third LAN computer using 512MB of PC133 ram and a Palomino 1900+ @ 1.6GHz, which card should I go with?
The 9100 is actually an 8500LE which should be better than a stock 5200.
5200's aren't even quite as good as your typical Radeon 9200... and Radeon 8500/9100's have 2 tmu's per pipeline, wheras the 9000/9200 cards only have 1 tmu per pipeline. So the 8500/9100 has a technical edge.
the only advantage the 5200s have is a paper advantage; they support DirectX 9, but the problem is they're too slow to use it. So it's a moot point.
Bottom line: i'd go with the 9100. Not a really huge advantage over the 5200, but enough to make you choose one over the other.
Does Sims2 have any DX9 effects that would make the move to a DX9 card worthwhile... not running Doom3 is one thing, but Sims2 is another... my friend's wife's computer is almost dedicated to Sims... :smile: that computer has a 9100 in it... if I cannot get the FX5200 to work in my older system, I might want to swap with him (he has a 9800 Pro, and I built both of his computers, so if I needed to, he would let me do it)... regardless, either card will be a boost from the GF2 MX400 in my 3rd LAN computer now... I hope... but hey, only my friends play on that one...
Can't imagine Sims2 having any DX9 effects, that game has been manufactured for the masses (i.e. lowest common denominator). And remember, the 9100 has DX8 shaders, which are still the bulk of shaders used (even in DX9 games).
Listen To Cleeve.
It is necessary to get the 9100 because I had a 5200 when they first came out.
I thought it was going to be great....
My 9100 put close to a 3000 point difference on 3dmark2001
over the 5200.
9100 actually gets higher fps than the original 8500, but hangs very close to the 8500 LE like Cleeve said.
Sometimes it takes some testing and store returns before you settle on the one you want.
9100 128mb would be a good choice.
I suspected the 9100 was better, knew it was, but was kind of wishing the AGP versions were closer to a toss up. I do not want to feel shady about swaping out my friend's card for a computer that will not really see that much use, and I will likely never has the resolution above 800x600 on that monitor anyway. The cheap motherboard in this 3rd computer cannot handle my Ti4200 or it would be in there already, but it has worked with a 9100 in the past. If the used FX5200 becomes unstable and freezes like the Ti4200 did (and I tried multiple drivers and even underclocking the gpu), then I will ask my friend to let me swap cards. My GF2 MX400 has never crashed on this system, so the Ti4200 must heat it up in a way the GF2 does not. The computer has a 400 Watt PSU. I just wanted to be able to tell my friend they were fairly close in perfrmance, and I guess compared to a 9800 Pro or newer card, they are.
Actually, the R9100 is a DX 8.1 card. I read HL2 isn't your thing, but it's still important to share that in HL2 the FX series below the 5800 only uses DX8.0 while the 5800/5900 can handle DX8.1. They all run slow as can be when forced to run DX9.0. SO in HL2, a Radeon 9100 will default to a higher codepath (8.1) than the FX5200-5700U(DX8.0). See below for more info. basically, the FX5200 is a DX9.0 card too weak to render DX9.0 effects. So don't buy the FX5200 because it is a DX9.0 card.