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November 18, 2004 7:55:36 AM

Im buying a new system and i Cant decide which graphics card to get a 6800Ultra or a X800XTPE? I play all kinds of game from Doom3 to HL2 to even the original C&C at times and i want something that will basically beat all my friends ones :) . And should i go for PCI express or AGP? Im buying a new motherboard anyway so which is the better way to go at the moment? keeping in mind there is a slight cost difference between PCI express and AGP

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a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2004 8:08:23 AM

Dont need to think about it the best is X800XT PE Best value for money 6800gt.
November 18, 2004 7:05:45 PM

No price limits - X800XT PE from HIS
Best price perf ratio - 6800GT from gainward or BFG

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November 18, 2004 7:37:37 PM

and those reasons are ________________.

_______________ = u work for Nvidia

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November 18, 2004 8:56:19 PM

x800xtpe is the best option.

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November 18, 2004 9:02:25 PM

on the record for the XT PE

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November 18, 2004 9:56:53 PM

Long time no see. Where have you been?
November 18, 2004 9:58:14 PM

X800XTPE Buy the HIS.
November 23, 2004 4:49:38 PM

I would truly reconsider buying anything from Gainward. I have a non-functioning Ultra/1200XP card. I've been calling Gainward for over a week now. Their phones NEVER answer, it's always the same voice mail that has a full answering machine that will not allow any messages. I have sent 3 RMA pages and hear nothing back, I have sent 5 E-mails and the last one, a couple of minutes ago, came back undeliverable! I think they have gone belly up and no one is talking about them!! If you want to verify try calling 408-942-2898. Or drive by (for those in Milpitas!) to 384 S. Abbott Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035.

Just a heads up!
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2004 9:27:01 PM

Another X800XTpe or even X800XT vote. Especially AGP.

If you wait for NF4 and a SLI ready PCI-e mobo, then consider a 6800GT or Ultra and SLI for in the future, or sooner if you are loaded and want bragging right over those buddies. This path is big bucks though and I am not exactly sure when it becomes an available reality for the masses. The Net is full of SLI previews today, but I haven't had a chance to read them yet.


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November 23, 2004 10:22:04 PM

Whatever happened to that Ultra Extreme Edition ?

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a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2004 10:23:53 PM

It was a press release only. :smile: More rare than a XTpe even. :eek: 

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November 24, 2004 2:49:14 PM

XT aint going to be the best option of pixel shader 3.0 starts hitting hard soon.

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November 24, 2004 3:43:57 PM

I lost 50 IQ points watching the movie link in lasers post, ive been reduced to 0.... :( 

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November 24, 2004 4:09:02 PM

Actually I enjoyed the flash ad that was shown before the movie, more than the movie itself.
Darth Vader is sitting down (i think to sign autographs) and breathing heavily as usual. Now Heidi Klum comes and sit just next to him, and he starts breathing more heavily.

:tongue: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/priyajeet/fing.jpg" target="_new"><i><font color=red>Very funny, Scotty.</font color=red><font color=blue> Now beam down my clothes.</font color=blue></i></A> :tongue: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by priyajeet on 11/24/04 12:09 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2004 4:15:09 PM

Quote:
XT aint going to be the best option of pixel shader 3.0 starts hitting hard soon.

By that time neither will the 6800U? :tongue:




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November 24, 2004 4:15:47 PM

Itll be better than the xt.

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a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2004 7:41:32 PM

Quote:
"XT aint going to be the best option of pixel shader 3.0 starts hitting hard soon."

and

"Itll be better than the xt."


But this is based on what exactly?

Sofar the only game to use both PS3.0/SM3.0 stuff for performance boost and image quality is FartCry, and sofar the ATI card is still fastest. So while the GF6800 may open some checkboxes to users, they might not necessarily be as usueable or benificial as one would think. HDR is good (and obviously can be done on ATI cards as HL2 shows), but on the nV only implementation in FC you pay such and enormous price that even the low setting is hardly worth the effort unless you prefer lower resolution/no AA/AF. It's like PS2.0/DX9 on an FX5600 (not as bad as 5200), it's possible, but not practical.

I think SM3.0 will be useful/fully exposed for the nV5x and R5xx series cards.

EDIT: for now it seems that SM2.x+ that both ATI and nV can do will be 'good enough'. The PS2.xB stuff that ATI is doing, and their geometric instancing work in FarCry, gets very similar performance results, it's more about what you do with the technology.


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 11/24/04 03:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 25, 2004 4:36:05 AM

Nice heatsink :wink: . New player on the market.
What exam did you give ? ANd what do u plan to do with all that Si.

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November 25, 2004 11:00:24 AM

Its based on the fact that alot of people have bought the current radeon / nvidia cards, and in not to long when games are thick with 3.0 where do you want to stand.

Car analogy time...

The mustang is faster than the ford explorer, but if you know pretty soon the world is going to be covered in snow forever, its pretty obvious what the choice is you should buy. ;) 

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November 25, 2004 2:30:20 PM

It took months of wranglin' and waiting and I had to mortgage my let nuticle to get it but it was well worth it. I'm running a HIS Excalibur X800 XT PE with IceQ II Cooling.. it's one cool, quiet GP card. Area's where people experience "slow-downs" on games like "Far Cry" and COD, just fly by on my rig. I'm soooo hapy and it looks good to boot.

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a b U Graphics card
November 25, 2004 2:57:21 PM

Yeah, but that analogy doesn't really work. Re-read what Grape explained to you and you'll see that the Stang in this case will get you from point A to point B JUST AS FAST, and with SCENARY JUST AS BEAUTIFUL. Just stick to the plowed roads and you'll be just as well off and possibly have loads more performance to play with in the mean time. (05 Stang would be a blast to drive compared to an explorer) :smile: Why drive through the snow just because you can if it takes longer and is bumpier along the way. Still an XTpe vote IMO.


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November 25, 2004 4:06:40 PM

:( 

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a b U Graphics card
November 25, 2004 10:45:26 PM

Your car analogy, but from a Canadian and true SnowDog perspective.

You've got that same Mustang but it only has traction control, and you have an AWD Ford Focus or Taurus, and when it snows it's usually either Clear Skies (P2.0 or less), a light dusting (PS2.x+ add-ons) or else it's the biggest dumps from hell of 40+ cms overnight with black ice underneath on frozen roads @ -40degrees (where c=f) (real SM3.0 implementation with ground up visuals and architecture), and you need to go uphill/downhill to get to the cleared highway.
Now with the clear skies The Mustang comes ahead easily. On the light dusting it's tranction control means it's still leading but it's very close because of a little more surefootedness from the AWD vehicle. Now when it comes to the true dump, neither car can handle it, neither Traction control nor AWD keep you from sliding all over the place without some help from studded tires (driver tweaks). And while everyone said the AWD Focus/Taurus would be great for snowy conditions, in fact it has no ground clearance and all of that snow simply keeps piling up until you can't go anywhere because it's not a plow no matter how well rated the AWD. In this case the situation ovewhelms the car. Now sure it would be nice if it were and Exploder or Escape, or even better their LandRover Division's Freelander (NV5x) or the Competition's JEEP (R5xx), but it's not, so it's not quite up to the task. Now you were buying with medium snowfall in mind, but where you live it's all or none.

That's every similar to the R42x/NV4x series. There is little evidence of the NV4x having the ability to pull ahead due to SM3.0 advanatages, it's great theory, but it hasn't born fruit sofar because the R42x also has some additional functionality (instancing) that helps it keep pace, even if the gap is closer or close to even. And while there are nice possibilities for SM3.0, the NV4x series doesn't seem to have the abilities to take full advanatage of that. It's like Matrox's 16X FragAA, it's nice and efficient, but if it means you're still running at 800x600 with 30FPS in modern games, with or without that 16xAA, who cares if it has little/no impact on the FPS, because you're already at a disadvanatage.

NV4x and SM3.0 is seeming more like a nice demo things, and something to turn on for kicks like 4xAA/16xAF was in the previous series (hey lookee), but it's still not up to implementiing it in the latest games, so imagine what it'll be like in those future games. There still no major demo examples of all the benifits, despite reaching the 6 months mark on the architecture. The best demo so far has been FartCry with patches 1.2 and 1.3 and even those haven't created this MSUT have difference yet.

I'll grant you LONG Term, the NV4x gives you more potential options, but even that isn't guaranteed, and highly unlikely that those advanatages will be anywhere near as major as the R3xx/NV3x differences.


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November 26, 2004 4:20:42 AM

I get your analogy grape but I respectfully dont agree. If a card has a protocl another card dont have, when using an app of that protocol its going to win. Plain and simple. A ford explorer is going to beat a mustang threw the snow. Remember the mustang has no weight in its rear end so on the snow your just slip slidding, nothing holding your wheels deep into the ground. And for your questions about tires, the Explorer comes with serious all season tires, the mustang comes with pathetic all season tires with more efforts directed at rain evacuation and traction on asphalt than any considerations of winter.

The x800xt has the horsepower indeed, im not disupting its a amazingly powerful card, just look at piras benchmarks in hl2. But its "suspension" isnt tweaked right for the road gaming is about to go down.

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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2004 4:22:13 AM

Well there are benifits there, it's certain, and those benifits will be even more so IMO on the next gen cards, but they are not earth shattering.

The support for SM3.0 be it either the efficiencies or the HDR,etc. does make it attractive to gamers. But Crytek is smart and they know that ATI owners want benifits also, so they add the PS2.X_B support, this benifits everyone. It brings nVidia ahead of ATI intially, and then ATI ahead, but they are closer than before. It also brings some nice bonuses. While HDR isn't efficient by any meaqns it's nice to see some differences in the architectures.

Nv definitelyt had a friend in Crytek by having them announce SM3.0 support, but whether they had a direct hand in that I'm not sure. Crytek's path of incremental improvements really benifits everyone (except patch 1.2 which hurt ATI users).

And perhaps there are some unforseen benifits, efficinencies,etc. But I would think that those are far enough off to be considered secondary right now. My concerns would fall along the lines of what we've primarily stuck to in the past. What games do you like to play and how do you want to play them. D3 there's a clear winner, HL2 there's a clear winner for now (may change with driver updates), and for FartCry there's two winners, one if you want to play with HDR, etc., and one if you want speed.

I personally like Lars' take on things. Get the SLI board so you can switch between the two as your whims take you. :evil: 

Of course SLI may offer better benifits in many games, and that in itself offer more IMO than SM3.0 ever will in this generation. The only drawback is that in some games right now it's got enough problems (in FartCry @ [H] for example) to keep it a bit off in the future for general gaming too.

If money is no object then I have the perfect solution, SLI MOBO and 3 cards, One ATI X800XTPE and 2 GF6800U. Cover all your bases. Cause money's no object. :evil:  Of course with money being no object then the previous best choice would've bee a top AMD64 AGP board and one of each. :wink:


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November 26, 2004 4:34:16 AM

Youd want a computer with two ultras in it... *Shrudder*

Im all for graphics performance but thats just to ridiculous of a solution. If the only thing the grahpics companys can offer me as the ultimate graphics solution is piling 2 of the biggest heat hog clunker power drainers in my case at the sime time, then they need to get their asses back to the drawing board.

Then their comes the problem of pci cards, you have the sli, and 3 pci cards, you fill up your sli, and your down to two pci cards. You have a sound card, and a wireless, thats it, welcome to the end of the line. I find that unacceptable myself. Why I would love to have sli 6800 GT's, I dont know if I like the way they are going about it.

I would be more interested in a external box you put the cards in, with a power brick, and plenty of nice cooling options, then the inside of your computer is freed up, your psu is freed up, the question is could they make a pci x plug in card, that then has a cable you can route out of the case, to the cards, and keep the trasnfer speed. If you could do this then theres no reason you couldnt have 4-6-8 card centers that can power multiple computers in the proximiety. It would be like wireless networking, computers join and start eating up the bandwith. Just ranting but, do you think the external box would at least be a possibility, or do these connections have to run solid threw a mobo with low latency between points to make it work. Im sure the distance from North and South bridge chips would hurt.

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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2004 4:48:26 AM

Quote:
If a card has a protocl another card dont have, when using an app of that protocol its going to win.

Tell that to the GFFX5200/5600 who had 2 levels of DX/PS advantage on the GF4ti, yet got and still do get slaughtered in just about every game out there, regardless of PS2.0 because they cannot effectively use any of it's benifits.

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And for your questions about tires, the Explorer comes with serious all season tires

Really you're trying to tell me, a skiier who goes further off-road than 99.9% of explorer owners, that all season radials are a GOOD thing? C'mon, if you don't have winter tires (snow/ice) then you'll still go a spinnig when you try driving on hard packed snow or ice. I've spun in a friend's Bronco on ICE at Fortress Mountain travelling @ ~30kph while in 4x4 because he only had all season radials.

You take your explorer with all season radials, and I'll take an escort with studded tires, and then let's see who's got the best traction. When I go Alpine-Touring or Ice Climbing and need to go beyond the 'parking area', All season radials, just won't cut it on any vehicle.

And as for the gaming of the future, the only indications so far is that the GF6800 isn't up to all it's abilities, just like the FX5200/5600. It's like your explorer trying to actually go off-road, when really it's just a soccer mom's car. It's not fit for serious offroading, it's ground clearance is barely better than the Mo-Stang. Landrover & Jeep, now those will get you in and out of the tough stuff. And just like that, the next gen games require far better next gen cards to truely make use of the improvements. Nothing new really 'til Unreal Engine 3.0 games come out, and by that time, even the NV5x and R5xx will be mature products. Until that time most will be UT2K4/U2, FartCry, D3 and HL2 clones, with SM3.0 etc add-ons, and sofar that hasn't proved to offer too much. I may be wrong, but nothing sofar has given any indication that that is the case.


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November 26, 2004 4:49:38 AM

"Tell that to the GFFX5200/5600 who had 2 levels of DX/PS advantage on the GF4ti, yet got and still do get slaughtered in just about every game out there, regardless of PS2.0 because they cannot effectively use any of it's benifits."


Good point, but snafu in the computer world happens. Hoepfully nvidia learned from its embarassment.

I understand about snow tires, I live in massachussetts and drive a Rx-7, I got my blizzacks sitting on the porch right now waiting to go on.

But understand where im coming from on this. cheezy chintzy sports car tires with decent peformance in normal conditions and awful in the winter still advertised as all season. And decent all season tires with fair ice and snow capabilities. My mothers explorer makes it threw snow alright, my buddys mustang dosnt move threw snow. When i was commuting to work last winter during many a snow storm (working nights), I very often would pass cops, suv's, trucks, everything, doing about 15, while I myself would be doing 65 with no problem. The Ice tire is superior and I agree with you. The reason the explorer wins threw snow is due to ride height, 4x4, and better stock tires.




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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2004 4:56:54 AM

PCI/PCIe slot aren't as necessary anymore. If nV had added soundstorm then the sound issue would've been solved (still VIA and Intel's HD Azalia left for that). Doesn't need PCIe, so it can easily go to the bottom of the rig just fine. And even putting wifi and audio side by side, pretty easy and no heat issues.


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November 26, 2004 4:58:26 AM

Then why the hell arnt the coming out with a external box to house the cards instead of cramming them in your case? Imagine how simple it would be having two cold air vents sticking up so they suck fresh air, and the exhaust pours right out into the air, no heat problems anymore.

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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2004 5:13:21 AM

Quote:
Good point, but snafu in the computer world happens. Hoepfully nvidia learned from its embarassment.

I don't think it's a snafu. I think nV genuinely thought SM3.0 would be quicker to be adopted and they were going to do far better at it than the FartCry results show. Not an architectural thing or a degin flaw, just an underestimation of the raw power required to exploit SM3.0 features. People have been debating this sinvce the NV40 was launched. But the most poignant fact is that there's still nothing, not even FartCry to try and promote it as a true advantage and not just a checkbox.

Mostly I think nV is just dissapointed that this time THEY adopted M$' advantages and they had architecture upper hand, but it's not paying off, and may never pay off if FartCry is any indication of this. If some new engine does come out that we haven't seen that offer some massive improvement, along the lines of D3, and it is indicative of more and more games, then that will be something, and something huge, especially for me if it was ElderScrolls IV :cool: . But if it isn't until UE3.0 based games, then that's a long way off, and even they said it runs slowly on the GF6800 class of card, so the next Gen will be required to benifit the most there too.

Anywhoo, that's just how it's shaping up from what I see. Really both are good, and it's a question of preference IMO. My solution of two cards is not ideal, and not recommended, but we are talking about the silly high-end anyways. Ultra or XTPE, neither is the 'wise choice' that/those IMO are the GT and plain XT. And for now the GT wins IMO because of it's current price advantage which makes it the 'wisest choice'.


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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2004 5:21:06 AM

External won't work until you can pass enough data trough it quickly enough (both bandwidth and latency). BTX is a step in the right direction, but really extreme rigs will alwqys gett bigger and bigger, because nothing will be enough. All card, could run on passive cooling and be one, slot, but they'd be about 75% the speed of thr yop cards, and really everyone just wants those extra mhz, so you have two giant/hot/loud/power hundry cards instead of two single slot efficient cards.

SLI was a step in the right direction, but instead of people using it to put two passively cooled Gigabyte GF6800s in it, they'll want to slam in two Gaibward GF6800UEs so they can be UBBER 1337!

Just like 0.13 and 0.11 process changes were supposed to reduce heat and hairdryer HSFs, people didn't want that, they wanted more bungholiomarks, or 16x12 + Max AA/AF in the latest games. And those will always be the things that ATI and nV can market well and promote easily. Trying to sell people on a quiet passive capable but efficient card, only caters to people like myself, and I'm definitely a minority in that respect.


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November 26, 2004 7:35:19 AM

Well if you really wanted to cool your dual 6800U you coudl use the Vapochill case cooler,granted its about $1400US or somethign stupid but if you usign dual 6800U then you shoudl be willing to pay exorbinate prices. I reckon the whole point of SLI is so nV can say we can do this and you cant, its not really to sell them.
November 26, 2004 7:51:58 AM

I hear that, but SLI would actually be a serious solution if they could come up with some kind of external box option. Im curious to see how alienwares option ends up working out. (I must have misread a earlier post grape, I thought you were saying that it wouldnt be a problem, that was why I posted why arnt they doing this then. I figured the bandwith would be the problem).

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November 26, 2004 10:31:31 PM

I think until there are more SM3 games on the market, Nvidia has no advantage. And by that time the next generation cards will be out anyways.

We all know developers must cater to the Lowest end cards, more so than the highend cards.

Not everyone can afford an XTPE or an 6800Ultra!

I also own a XTPE!

I think more games engines need to be more balanced like HL2
to run on all cards. That should be the focus, instead of pushing for sm3.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2004 1:56:15 AM

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Not everyone can afford an XTPE or an 6800Ultra!

Nor find one. LOL

Anyway, look at the <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19908" target="_new">data valve is collecting through steam</A>. Turns out more steam users have Intels integrated 810 graphics as well as the TNT2, than have the X800XTpe or 6800U.

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November 27, 2004 3:01:36 AM

I don't know, but I know I can find ultas on the egg. Not that I would buy one. I got a 6800nu.
November 27, 2004 8:32:04 PM

development, work the kinks out. insure they have a hand in technology development.

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November 27, 2004 10:04:21 PM

Let me just say a 6800 Ultra is as fast a Concorde and nearly as quite as one.

One vote for X800XT PE.
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