GF4 ti4200 vs ATI Radeon 9600XT
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frewOFstew
November 26, 2004 3:45:28 AM
Hi Gang,
It's been a long time since I posted or visited. So I am not up to date on much of the latest tech info. Anyway, can anyone tell me if there is a big difference between the performance of GF4 Ti4200 128mb and the ATI Radeon 9600XT 128mb graphic cards?
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It's been a long time since I posted or visited. So I am not up to date on much of the latest tech info. Anyway, can anyone tell me if there is a big difference between the performance of GF4 Ti4200 128mb and the ATI Radeon 9600XT 128mb graphic cards?
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The 9600XT is more powerfull, plus it has DirectX 9.
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The 9600XT is more powerfull, plus it has DirectX 9.
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November 26, 2004 1:39:57 PM
There's very little in it, performance-wise. The 9600XT is the better choice of those two (DX9 Support + Better at AA/AF), but it's definitely not worth upgrading from a 4200 to a 9600XT, IMO. If that's what you're asking. DX9 games will look prettier, but you won't get any real noticable performance difference.
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I'm pretty much agreeing with the above two posts. I do not think it is a great upgrade to go from the Ti4200 to the 9600XT, unless you have use for the Ti4200 in another system. But the 9600XT is clearly the performance leader of the two. In older games like UT2003 it will allow you to use AA/AF, while in newer DX9 titles like farcry, it will be able to use DX9 shaders and still perform higher. Farcry happens to be a good example of the benefit of having the R9600XT as the ti4200's struggle at higher details even at 800x600, while only giving you the DX8.0 codepath as well. I'm yet to see performance number's for the Ti4200 in HL2, but you can see a huge difference in the water reflections going from a DX8 Ti4200 to a DX 9.0 R9600XT.
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sweatlaserxp
November 26, 2004 8:08:47 PM
The minimum spec. card you would want to upgrade to would be something like a 9700/9800 Pro, because not only are you getting your DX9 but also a lot more overall horsepower.
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frewOFstew
November 26, 2004 8:22:53 PM
This is for all the folks who responded. I sort of came to the conclusion you folks did. I was looking at that 6 hour sale in Bestbuy and figured it wasn't worth it unless it was a real upgrade from my GF4 Ti4200 128mb. If I had a 64mb 440mx or such I would of went for the deal. Yet, Bestbuy offers the ATI 9600xt for 99.00 after 100.00 mail in rebate. But I've also seen it priced anywhere from 167.00 up online. Still a good bargain if you really need a good upgrade. It's how I originally got my GF4 Ti4200 128mb card for 89.00...that is at a Bestbuy six hour sale a couple of years back. That was a big upgrade for me then. Anyway, I thank you and I am glad I can add some info about the sale. I think the real bargain is the no interest till Jan. 2006 for purchases 299.00 and up. I can look at getting a decent laptop without laying out all the cash at once and not being slapped with interest if I pay within a year and a month. That offer is also only till tomorrow.
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November 27, 2004 5:38:52 PM
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November 28, 2004 12:10:39 AM
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Sure, I know it will, but not with high details it won't. Looking <A HREF="http://www.ixbt.com/video2/over2k4-fcs11-800.shtml" target="_new">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.ixbt.com/video2/over2k4-fcs20-800.shtml" target="_new">here</A>, the 9600XT using shaders 2.0 way outperformed the Ti4200 which used shaders 1.1. 30-32fps average is hardly playable, although if they turned the detail levels down it would be alright. In their 1024 chart the Ti4200 only barely averaged over 20fps. But yes, I have played farcry on a Ti4200 and found it can handle 1024x768 low/med just fine.
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November 28, 2004 1:59:49 AM
davemar14
November 30, 2004 12:25:17 AM
I get around 75 FPS in FarCry at 1024*768 with low quality on my Ti4200. Its runs really smooth. If I turn to medium quality it really takes a hit. Granted the Ti4200 is no speed demon, but it still plays all the current games at lower quality. Gone wait till 6600GT prices drop. Then pick up one of them.
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November 30, 2004 1:21:25 AM
frewOFstew
December 4, 2004 3:59:43 PM
<b>When</b> the 6600GT AGP is available for $200 or less like it's announced price, it is unbeatable. But Considering a plain GF6800 is often almost the same price, the 6600GT isn't the deal it could be. For $250, the 6800 is the best card.
ATI's X700pro/XT and their X800 and X800XL look so far to be PCI-e only. I hope someone can show me links to prove me wrong as I'd love to see AGP versions come out. I'm quite annoyed with all this PCI-e only talks.
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ATI's X700pro/XT and their X800 and X800XL look so far to be PCI-e only. I hope someone can show me links to prove me wrong as I'd love to see AGP versions come out. I'm quite annoyed with all this PCI-e only talks.
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December 5, 2004 8:28:32 AM
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December 5, 2004 3:45:29 PM
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December 6, 2004 5:25:19 PM
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December 6, 2004 7:18:21 PM
FarCry was one of the first games where I really SAW the performance difference between my Ti4200 and my 9500np@9700np. DOOM3 also. With AA and AF turned off on both and running at 1024x768, the 9700np just kicks the Ti4200...
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Was the GF6600GT AGP ever advertised at the $200 of the PCIe card? I thought it was always going to be more expensive thanks to the cost of the Bridge Chip.
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sweatlaserxp
December 6, 2004 8:29:39 PM
All the AGP versions that I have seen have cost $225+, whereas the PCIe versions go for about $200, or even less I've heard.
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Yeah, I know, the PCIe is often around $180-190, and the AGP is more, but I never expected the AGP to be the same MSRP as the PCIe simply because of the additional cost of manufacturing, and what I expected to be less volume, but maybe they expected demand to be enough to cover HSI Bridge costs.
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sweatlaserxp
December 6, 2004 9:24:26 PM
Not to mention that blurb from a while back that implied that the HSI bridge could potentially lower the life expectancy because of voltage issues. It probably wouldn't influence my buying decision- I'm more concerned about the card being inflated $30+ to a mediocre price/performance position. If they could get the AGP version down to $200 or less, I'd be shouting from the rooftops.
However, with nForce4 just around the corner, I'd be loath to buy another AGP card when I have that upgrade planned for next summer... :smile:
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However, with nForce4 just around the corner, I'd be loath to buy another AGP card when I have that upgrade planned for next summer... :smile:
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that blurb from a while back that implied that the HSI bridge could potentially lower the life expectancy because of voltage issuesActually I think you're thinking about VIA's G.E.A.R. bridge, which is the one that runs AGP off of PCIe and causes life-expectancy issues. I haven't heard anything about nV's HSI bridge doing that.
As for the price that's right, they F'in Suck! But if you think that's bad, think of the prices here. ($250CDN for the Cheapest and $290-299 average for the GF6600GT), that's $207-250US. They are seriously Screwing Candians with the stupid marketing of 'round it to the nearest x99 or x49' system. Few people are going to price them at $239 CDN (~$200US) or something nice and similar ($229CDN anyone?). I hate that kinda BS!
EDIT: Oh yeah, PS, those were PCIe prices, the GF6600 AGP here are $309-349 CDN ($290US)!
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You could be right. So far they are scarce or coming soon on most sites. I thought I saw that a while back about the $199, but maybe $239 is the list on the AGP. I still wouldn't buy one for $239 when GF6800's have been cheaper AR or $250 without rebates.
Your prices are just aweful. Actual selling price is everything to me. I'll often spend a little more if the performance boost is large. All I'd have to see is a sub $300 X800 pro or 6800Gt and I'd quickly forget about $230 6600GT's and $250 6800's. I am tempted to see if Compusa will match the 25 % off PNY list price that Bestbuy has going now. That would mean $225 for a 6800, and $300 for a 6800GT. Both in stock.
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Your prices are just aweful. Actual selling price is everything to me. I'll often spend a little more if the performance boost is large. All I'd have to see is a sub $300 X800 pro or 6800Gt and I'd quickly forget about $230 6600GT's and $250 6800's. I am tempted to see if Compusa will match the 25 % off PNY list price that Bestbuy has going now. That would mean $225 for a 6800, and $300 for a 6800GT. Both in stock.
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December 7, 2004 7:09:13 PM
No BFG, but they have the PNY for $399. If they will match that 25% off list, that is where the $300 comes in. I'd rather have a BFG also, but for $300 I'd settle for a PNY.
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