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ATi now saying: X800 is $199, X800XL is $299!!!!!!

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December 15, 2004 2:07:02 PM

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299" target="_new">Anand's newest review</A>. So the X800 now kicks the ass of it's DIRECT competitor: 6600GT and the XL kicks the ass of the 6800 while it's MUCH better price/performance than even the 6800GT!

EDIT: oh yeah, the rest of the review is pretty interesting as well.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 12/15/04 11:15 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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December 15, 2004 2:36:26 PM

WOW! That is sweet. If only they were releasing an AGP version, one of those would be my next card for sure. I have heard rumors that ATI will lower the price on the X800pro to $349, but who knows.

No time to read & comment on this, but I see <A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x800_xl/" target="_new">firingsquad</A> has the new price/review up too.

Edit: Just read this juicy info. $250 for an AGP X800 pro would be just fine with me. :wink:

From FS:
"Now the question is, what happens to the RADEON X800 SE and RADEON X800 PRO? Previously ATI planned to stick the X800 PRO between the X800 XL and X800 at $300, now we guess ATI will have to price it at $250 (as of last night, ATI still hadn't determined revised pricing on either card). The RADEON X800 SE was going to be the bridge between the RADEON X700 family and the X800 line, but with the RADEON X800 priced at $200, we see no room for the RADEON X800 SE."


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 12/15/04 11:47 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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December 15, 2004 3:16:43 PM

I whish i could get one of these cards for $199 / $299 before febuary next year. but then again thats a joke we will be waiting ages for them to hit the shelves.
December 15, 2004 3:53:53 PM

I doubt you wish that, since you smell like a trolling Nvidiot.

Regardless of your false candor, since these cards were created for the express purpose of increasing availability, I dount we'll have to wait longer than Febuary.

If Ati is lying about their availability, I imagine it's still producing the desired effect... that is to say, 6600GT and 6800GT buyers will be thinking twice before laying out their cash; if the X800 and 6600GT will be the same price, who would opt for the 6600GT? And if the X800XL is $100 less than the 6800GT, who wouldn't consider it a great alternative?

Not the most honorable marketing scheme to be sure, but likely effective in this case...
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December 15, 2004 4:44:46 PM

X800pro price of $349 AGP? BFG 6800GTOC $399 at Best Buy.
December 15, 2004 4:46:37 PM

That AGP or PCIe prices?
a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2004 5:04:36 PM

I meant official list price. I had heard that ATI's official price would be cut from $399 to $349. Now it seems that $300 or $250 even might be the case. I'd be amazed if they make all these available, especially with list prices of $200(x800), $250(X800pro), $300(X800XL). Any of those cards would be a bargain at those list prices. X800se will have to dissapear unless it moves in at $179 or so.

Anyway, the way this is looking, NV will need to make some type of introduction/price cut for sure. The 6600GT is a very nice new card, so introducing a new one would surprise me. Of course X800 and X800XL surprised me too. But how low can they(NV) price 6600GT and 6800(nu) and can they afford to drop all their prices enough to stay competitive? Is this part of "ATI Killing NV" like we have heard said recently, or were they purely talking R520 on that?

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December 15, 2004 5:49:17 PM

i wish i had the money to buy a pci-e mobo and video card now because that x800xl for 300 or so is very nice looking considering i doubt i will have the money to dole out for a new 500buck card until the r520 comes out :/ 

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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2004 7:37:43 PM

I'm just curious if anyone else noticed this creative/selective editing by Anand AGAIN!

Look at the <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=5" target="_new">D3 results</A> page.

Now in the first test with no AA the GF6600GT is listed because it obviously beats a few of the competitor's products. Then in the second test w/ 4xAA the GF6600GT '<i>mysteriously</i>' dissapears from the list of tested cards.

Now based on experience of this card, I'm sure that like the X700XT it just fell right of the charts, however I guess Anand doesn't feel that information would be worthwhile to the buying public. Makes the GF6600GT look better than it is of course. Can't have it loosing in the one area PR can say it's still a good choice.
Now, I <i>wonder</i> WHO would benifit from such an omission? :evil: 

Of course AA was omitted on many sections (FartCry) but really WTF, even if it's 2 FPS, post it.

Freakin' HATE Anand's reviews for this kinda crap!


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December 15, 2004 8:30:06 PM

heheh... yeah, I saw it. So used to it I don't think much of it anymore.

Just Anand being Anand... :) 

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December 15, 2004 8:50:23 PM

DO this means that the Radeon 9800 family is coming down in price and all the rest of the lower end graphics cards as well?...

Does it mean that the NVIDIA 6600GT will be available for a lower price to match the ATI card ?...hmmm
December 15, 2004 8:50:25 PM

DO this means that the Radeon 9800 family is coming down in price and all the rest of the lower end graphics cards as well?...

Does it mean that the NVIDIA 6600GT will be available for a lower price to match the ATI card ?...hmmm
December 15, 2004 9:00:59 PM

yes nice one idiot i have a X800XT, calling me a nvidiot thats a joke actually ur the joke. lets see how much much and when they really come available, is anyone still waiting for a 6800 ultra or a xt800pe?
December 15, 2004 9:24:34 PM

sweet !!

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December 15, 2004 10:04:24 PM

No, didn't look at Anand's review yet, but thx for pointing it out. Does seem fishy to say the least. If he'd do that, then why not run specific maps/timedemos to help out one brand also. That was pretty lame of ole Anand. How does the 6600GT do in AA/AF? Anand leaves 6600GT out of every single AA chart in that review.

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 12/15/04 07:09 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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December 15, 2004 10:58:14 PM

The GF6600GT, just like the X700XT both suffer from two draw backs. First, 128bit memory instead of 256bit memory (major issue), Second both are limited to their 128mb of memory (a little minor issue). Together those factors make them both drop off the end of the earth at higher res and AA/AF (even compared to the R9800XT).

I just find it very 'conveniant' that whenever there's a review there, the negative issues of a vertain company (who lends them hardware to test before all others) never see the light of day.

Let's just call it a 'strange' co-ink-a-dink! :wink:


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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2004 11:09:53 PM

lol, yup. Good call.


On another note, I want ATI's bridge complete so i can throw a X800Xl on this Neo2 mobo. And obviously most people are looking for the same thing. Any news on that bridge. I had some time today and read a few of these reviews. Seems only Firingsquad mentions AGP as likely.



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December 16, 2004 3:37:00 AM

At that price, I would honestly buy the X850XT PE from ATi if it cost exactly 700$ CDN. Likely not.

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December 16, 2004 4:16:29 AM

Since my monitor won't even do 1600*1200, there's really no point in ever having 256MB on a card.
December 16, 2004 1:01:57 PM

Quote:
yes nice one idiot i have a X800XT, calling me a nvidiot thats a joke actually ur the joke.


Really? My mistake.

I'm curious though, if you're not a fanboi, why are you so ignorant?

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December 16, 2004 4:51:25 PM

I am a bloody idiot, and i need to carm down.

I visit this forum straight after lanpartys and playing online, if i have had a good session then i am cool, if its a bad sesiion then i become a tosser, rude ignorant [-peep-].

I will sort my attitude problem out sorry cleeve.
December 16, 2004 5:10:26 PM

Good article, but Anand is really wary of the Doom 3 thing, despite the fact that

1- The X800 XL is improving on the X800 Pro by a considerable <b>20%</b>, and

2- It is trailing on the coat-tails of the X800XT, and

3- It tears it up in the DX9 titles

That XL looks like a really great card. I'm glad that ATi now has a solid contender for the 6800GT- it demonstrates, in some tests, the importance of having the full 16 pipelines. If the XL actually sells for around $300, then IMO it's the better deal, as long as you have PCIe.

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December 16, 2004 5:15:53 PM

You are an interesting fellow, RX8, violently swerving between confrontational and apologetic.

Can't say I know how to interpret that on the sincerity meter, but what the hell. Doesn't cost me anything, so, apologies accepted. And for my part, sorry I called you an Nvidiot fanboi.

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December 16, 2004 7:32:32 PM

thank you and no problem cleeve, as you can see i have had a good day today lol. See you around.
December 16, 2004 9:15:48 PM

Yeah, I agree that it's really annoying. No difference to us though, we know the sad truth behind Anand's reviews (although they usually are pretty good otherwise).

Anyway, I was just thinking...you know how X800Pros could be modded into X800XTpes? Well, maybe the $200 X800 can be modded into the XL?? Yeah, it'd be short on bandwidth, but the rest would be the same as the XL (which is essentially a slow version of the XT). Imagine, a $200 16-pipe card.

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December 16, 2004 10:44:12 PM

You know if the X800 can be moded to XL then you'd see alot of happy $200 shoppers, just like the R9500np.


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December 17, 2004 1:21:32 AM

Long live L shaped memory!

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December 17, 2004 1:23:17 AM

I have to admit the results are impressive. The X800XL definitely offers power. The X850PRO is no shoddy performer either! Dunno about price though, it'll likely be expensive.

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December 17, 2004 4:15:17 AM

The X800Pro can be flashed to the X800XT PE card and reportedly has a very high success rate...

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December 17, 2004 3:02:49 PM

Well actually it's a higher than average success rate but it's still well below 50% and closer to 10% of overall. The main thing is that it is primarily the VIVO cards that are able to be moded (soft moded at least). Success Rate is not bad, but still a little iffy (I wouldn't rely on it) from what I've seen.


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December 17, 2004 3:17:48 PM

Didn't HardOCP have article on HIS X800Pro OCing to XT plus pickup up those four extra pipes?
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December 17, 2004 3:30:46 PM

The HIS is likely the VIVO.

Those are the ones that are softmodable.

I'd have to look back again. Gigabyte has one model that is and one model that isn't (both VIVO).

Sapphire isn't IIRC.

PowerColor isn't IIRC.


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December 17, 2004 3:34:20 PM

It was the VIVO card from HIS. But at $468US at New Egg to much money. Drop price $200 plus know your talking.
December 17, 2004 5:30:03 PM

I wish ATi hadn't introduced another 12-pipe card. In my opinion they shouldn't sell enthusiast-level hardware with crippled performance; I think the disadvantages will be more clear as more titles come out. It's almost ironic that they keep pushing the 12-pipe line (X850 Pro) when they have the X800XL in the works. Just my opinion, I just think they should go with the clear winners and at the same time simplify their product line.

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December 17, 2004 6:12:16 PM

Quote:
I wish ATi hadn't introduced another 12-pipe card.

I understand and agree with you on the X850PRO level, but the X800 is a supper idea/deal, and it'a definitely better than just 8 pipes. :cool:

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December 17, 2004 10:21:41 PM

I raise you 8 pipes.
December 18, 2004 2:45:07 AM

I doubt the 12-pipe thing will hurt, especially if we're talking about the X850PRO. Its performance isn't bad at all IMO. It's a fair step up over the X800 PRO vs the step up from the X850XT PE over the X800XT PE.
But what they SHOULD stop is making half-high-end's performance GFX cards for mainstream. That's just flat out ridiculous. (although a more just thing for the whole "you pay for what you get", especially for those who pay 500$).

EDIT: I just checked the X800XL benches vs the X850PRO. I must have dosed off and forgot what it was like. You're right, the thing is much better than the X850PRO and prolly will sell for less! (the model number itself is ironic)

As for simplifying the line, you just got proof in front of ya of someone who got confused. :eek: 

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