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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2004 2:21:46 AM

All PCI-e this time, but good info none-the-less. Looking over all the charts, I am still left drooling over that $300 X800XL. Definately worth as much as the 6800GT IMO, as it matches or beats the 6800GT in all but D3 and COD.

A few cards are missing as they stated. Hopefully the plain X800 also gets added along with the ones they mentioned.

Being the owner of a fairly new AGP mobo, PCI-e frustrates me more than I can say. I'm all for PCI-e, just give me an AGP alternative (in stock) for the same performance/dollar. Example $300 X800XL AGP! I want it, if/when the bridge is completed.


EDIT: Also notice they don't use drivers slipped to them last second like some other sites (AND no, I won't name ANy), only "the most recent WHQL-certified driver releases available at the time of testing". Makes sense to me considering most of these new betas, especially from NV, never seem to become official drivers, but rather press releases for certain reviews/games.

last note: I want their test system! Bad!! Can I have it Lars? Please?



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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 12/22/04 11:37 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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December 23, 2004 2:38:57 AM

I will only say the x800xl is 300 dollars when retailers actually have it up for that price and I can find it. As of right now a person techreport in the retailing business said its 350. I don't see how they could sell it for 300.
256 megs of ddr 1000 256 bit is expensive. Even if the core is less expensive. They still have the pcb, the ram, etc.
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2004 2:44:42 AM

Well, LIST is supposed to be $300 now, but we all know about highly demanded ATI cards and "list" price. I'm hoping they are $300 and the 6800GT's have to come down in price to match, not the other way around (fools spending 25% over list and etailers smiling all the way to the bank, while you and I say...where's the Radeon)


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December 23, 2004 2:51:42 AM

Ya, of course it really doesn't matter as ati has no real agp competitor for the gt. I have a 6800 nu, my monitor is 1280x1024 max. So it was a perfect card and with 16 pipes it was a perfect card at the time. I don't look back in any bad way. Even if the x800 or x800xl is faster, I have had my card for awhile.
December 23, 2004 2:54:45 AM

there is an geforce 6800nu... pci express at newegg. One weird thing about it though is it has 256 megs, way overpriced. Also it has ddr600 instead of 700. So ya... who knows. I know there is supposed to be one with 128 megs but ohh well.
December 23, 2004 5:26:45 AM

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256 megs of ddr 1000 256 bit is expensive.

When they say expensive, they mean like $50 rather than the $35 they're used to paying for DDR1. You add it all up and they still make a killing at $300, which just gets funneled into paying for next gen's R&D.

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December 23, 2004 11:18:09 AM

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256 megs of ddr 1000 256 bit is expensive


i thought it was the pcb that determined the bus width, not the ram itself...

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December 23, 2004 4:07:52 PM

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EDIT: Also notice they don't use drivers slipped to them last second like some other sites (AND no, I won't name ANy), only "the most recent WHQL-certified driver releases available at the time of testing". Makes sense to me considering most of these new betas, especially from NV, never seem to become official drivers, but rather press releases for certain reviews/games.

last note: I want their test system! Bad!! Can I have it Lars? Please?


You know what's really amazing though? Even with WHQL, the Radeon series has now come so close against the nVidias in DOOM III, with so far no complaints about image quality dropping! I mean, it does show a certain proof of capability on the driver team's part.
The X850XT PE consistently gets within a few FPS in DOOM III, whereas 4 months ago it was nearly 75% of the 6800 Ultra's performance.

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December 23, 2004 9:18:17 PM

1 thing i learnt

SLI = waste of money as of now.

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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2004 9:40:03 PM

ATI has since put their shader replacement into effect and it has closed the gap a bit (still some noticeable holes, and you need an faster card to reach parity, but for the segment they are indeed getting closer). nV always had their shader replacement in their drivers since launch, and there was little more to gain perfromance wise for them. Once ATI did the same thng you saw some tasty boosts, especially after tweaking their OGL performance with that initial 'Doom-Driver', both of those together have helped alot. But I still Say HL2 and D3 are the anomalies, don't buy a card solely on those numbers unless that's all you want to ever play, because they aren't representative of the rest of what's out there.


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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2004 9:54:52 PM

I still want SLI, but not for what everyone else wants it for. I have wanted <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">Multi-Card for SurroundGaming for well over a year</A>, and with the intro of PCIe <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">I <i>THOUGHT</i> we were closer</A>, of course we still didn't know jack about the spec at the time. Just look at that post 1.5 years ago (crazy Basturd! :lol:  ), and STILL we have no PCIe Surround Gaming Solution (nor sub 10ms LCD monitors either :wink: ). I still would prefer efficient, but I'm getting a stacker so the idea of dual PSU to allow for any SLI setup necessary gives me alot of freedom.
I'm still pretty interested in multi-cards/mons, but I would like to hear something more positive about it other than simply raw speed. And with the new <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20343" target="_new">482 MOBOs coming out</A> even ATI will offfer their version (AMR) I'm thinking I'm not just stuck with one solution. Hopefully the New Year is better than the last 1.5! :frown:


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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2004 3:58:11 AM

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SLI = waste of money as of now

You know what, I agree. But even worse, have you checked PCI-e GF6800 series prices/availability lately? It's rediculous. The 6600GT is a good buy, but a 6800GT is X800XT prices and hard to find at that, making the thought of buying an SLI mobo now and just one 6800GT for now, still way too expensive. Not to mention the crazy folks who are trying to run 2- 6800GT's or Ultra's now, and for what???

Can't you just hear the call go out throughout ANAND's and NV's forums now?
<b>Calling all Nvidiots and Bungilomark Junkies, All aboard the SLI express to credit card debt.</b> (SLIeCCD) :wink:

$250 for an Asus NF4 SLI, and $450+ for each 6800GT, just to whip out top orb scores or see what Doom 3 looks like at 1600x1200 4x/8x. I mean Doom 3 is aweful boring, and how long will you have orb bragging rights anyway. I'd almost be embarrassed to admit I spent that money for what it offers the gamer now.

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