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While thinking about Southampton getting relegated, I couldn't help but
think about the fact that clubs who get new stadiums have a tendency to get
go down not long after - Boro, Derby, Bolton, Sunderland, Southampton,
admittedly that's not a *whole* lot of clubs (I couldn't think of anymore,
although you could add Millwall?) but there seems to be something to it.

Man City watch out! Coventry watch out!

Of course Arsenal don't need to worry..
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:51:58 +0100, Daniel Marsh put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>While thinking about Southampton getting relegated, I couldn't help but
>think about the fact that clubs who get new stadiums have a tendency to get
>go down not long after - Boro, Derby, Bolton, Sunderland, Southampton,
>admittedly that's not a *whole* lot of clubs (I couldn't think of anymore,
>although you could add Millwall?) but there seems to be something to it.

It is fairly common, and the primary reason is pretty simple: More
money spent on a stadium usually means less to spend on players. Plus,
there's the factor of teams having to get used to playing at a new
ground - it takes a while for the familiarity which aids homae
advantage to develop. The "new stadium downer" usually lasts two or
three seasons, after which things usually get better. In the long run,
a new stadium usually benefits a club, as it increases income, but it
can take a while for the effect to kick in and, during that time, the
club is often more vulnerable than before.

>Man City watch out! Coventry watch out!

Man City bucked the trend a bit, but they had the advantage of moving
into a ready-made stadium that cost them a lot less that it would have
done had they built it themselves. So they didn't suffer financially
in the way that other new stadium clubs have. But they were only just
out of the relegation zone at the end of their first season at the new
ground!

>Of course Arsenal don't need to worry..

I don't think Arsenal are in any danger of relegation. But I'd be
surprised if they win the league in their first few seasons at
Ashburton Grove.

Mark
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:01:05 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:51:58 +0100, Daniel Marsh put finger to
> keyboard and typed:
>
>>While thinking about Southampton getting relegated, I couldn't help but
>>think about the fact that clubs who get new stadiums have a tendency to get
>>go down not long after - Boro, Derby, Bolton, Sunderland, Southampton,
>>admittedly that's not a *whole* lot of clubs (I couldn't think of anymore,
>>although you could add Millwall?) but there seems to be something to it.
>
> It is fairly common, and the primary reason is pretty simple: More
> money spent on a stadium usually means less to spend on players.

I think in alot of cases this is true, Middlesbrough were certainly an
exception to this though, as they must have spent what, £10-15 Million at
least when they went down?

>Plus,
> there's the factor of teams having to get used to playing at a new
> ground - it takes a while for the familiarity which aids homae
> advantage to develop. The "new stadium downer" usually lasts two or
> three seasons, after which things usually get better. In the long run,
> a new stadium usually benefits a club, as it increases income, but it
> can take a while for the effect to kick in and, during that time, the
> club is often more vulnerable than before.
>
>>Man City watch out! Coventry watch out!
>
> Man City bucked the trend a bit, but they had the advantage of moving
> into a ready-made stadium that cost them a lot less that it would have
> done had they built it themselves. So they didn't suffer financially
> in the way that other new stadium clubs have. But they were only just
> out of the relegation zone at the end of their first season at the new
> ground!

Would you say that atmosphere is generally lacking at new grounds? I went
to the CoMS at the start of last season and the home support was very poor.
I thought the same of the supposedly great support at sunderland when they
went down as well.

>
>>Of course Arsenal don't need to worry..
>
> I don't think Arsenal are in any danger of relegation. But I'd be
> surprised if they win the league in their first few seasons at
> Ashburton Grove.
>


We'll be up there, it'll be harder what with Chelsea finally getting there,
but I can see us winning the title as the Grove.

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:14:03 -0300, Eduardo Liguori put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>
>>
>>> Of course Arsenal don't need to worry..
>>
>> I don't think Arsenal are in any danger of relegation. But I'd be
>> surprised if they win the league in their first few seasons at
>> Ashburton Grove.
>
>
>it is not Emirates something anymore?

Ashburton Grove is the "real" name. That is, it's the name of the
location of the stadium. The sponsored "official" name is The Emirates
Stadium, but that might change in a few seasons' time.

Selling stadium naming rights is a tricky thing. Unless the club does
it right at the start of a stadium's life, before it ever acquires
another name, it's unlikely that the fans will use the sponsored name
- even other new stadiums, like those at Middlesborough and
Southampton, which have sponsored names, are still generally known by
the location name. It only works if the sponsored name is known right
at the start and the stadium doesn't have any other useful identifier
- it's generally accepted that Bolton play at The Reebok, and Stoke
City at The Britannia, for example. I think that, for Arsenal, there
are already too many references to their new home under the name of
"Ashburton Grove" for the sponsored name to become commonly used by
fans. A googlefight between the two gives a clear win for "Ashburton
Grove" over "Emirates Stadium".

Mark
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>
> Only johnny-come-lately's, and the media will refer to it as the Emirates
> Stadium, for gooners it will be Ashburton Grove, The Grove, or something
> similar. Mostly it will still be "I'm going to Arsenal" rather than "I'm
> going to the Emirates Stadium"
>
>
>

I'm not an Arsenal fan and I forgot it was going to be the Emirates. It will
be Ashburton Grove unless something radical happens.

Dy