Help me to choose between two 19" CRT monitors

Spitfire_x86 · Jan 3, 2005

I need a 19" CRT for using at 1600 x 1200 (text display quality is important).

<A HREF="http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/proseries/p95fplus/" target="_new">ViewSonic P95f+</A>, max 2048x1536, 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, my country price $325

<A HREF="http://www.lge.com/catalog/prodmodeldetail?catModel=10&actType=&modelName=&globalCode=FB990G&modelPrefix=40IF19&globalSuffix=000000&currentPage=&categoryId=CTG1000496&parentId=CTG1000439&modelCategoryId=CTG1000497&page=" target="_new">LG Flatron F900B</A>, max. 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, my country price $260

Is it worth spending extra money for ViewSonic P95f+? Is 85 Hz much better than 75 Hz for long time use? LG directly recommends 1280x1024 for F900B, ViewSonic somewhat indirectly recommends 1600x1200 for P95f+. I will keep the monitor for a long time, don't have plan to replace it at least within 5 years. So I may spend the extra money for ViewSonic if it really makes a noticable difference. I'm currently using 1024x768 @ 75 Hz with 15" CRT (13.8" viewable), so I can handle small text size. If text at 1600x1200 @ 18" viewable not smaller than 1024x768 @ 13.8", then it's good enough for me.

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okietex · Jan 3, 2005

I'd spend the extra $$ and go for more resolution IMO.
Better to have the choice of higher res than not especially since you can make this CRT last quite a long time.

Crashman · Jan 4, 2005

Usually the ones with the smallest dot pitch (dp) will have the finest picture detail. You'll see numbers for it, like .22mm dp, etc.

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HardWareBoss · Jan 4, 2005

I've been using my GS771 ViewSonic for 5 years now. Wow does time fly by. I have mine set at 75 Hz. Max for this old baby. I noticed once I moved from 60Hz to 75 big differance. Less eye strain.

sweatlaserxp · Jan 4, 2005

I can't even use 60Hz, it is extremely irritating to my eyes.

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Spitfire_x86 · Jan 4, 2005

ViewSonic has .25mm aperture grille (at center), and LG has .24 mm Stripe Pitch Mask Type : Slot Mask (AK Type). Is Stripe Pitch/slot mask and aperture grille the same thing?

And is there a significant difference between 75 Hz and 85 Hz, especially if I use the monitor for a long time?

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eden · Jan 4, 2005

And is there a significant difference between 75 Hz and 85 Hz, especially if I use the monitor for a long time?

Not too much, but sometimes there is. Of course 85Hz is better on the eye.

I was a longtime 60Hz user. I never understood how using 85Hz for a while then switching to 60Hz would create so much eye strain, but the flashiness of the screen and its odd brightness definitely were horrible, I couldn't stay long. Get a monitor with guaranteed high refresh rates for high resolutions, best thing you can do. The Viewsonic may be a good buy if you want 1600*1200 gaming with good refresh rates.

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mozzartusm · Jan 4, 2005

Based on the fact that you will keep it for a long time, I would go with the Viewsonic. The reason that I say this is because I have seen hundreds of the Viewsonic monitors that are as old as 1997 and still work. That tells me that they are built well.

I just hooked up an older 15" ViewSonic 15GS at 60Hz and a 17" Viewsonic at 75Hz. The 17" at 75Hz looks better than the 15" 60Hz. Im sure part of the reason is the difference in the size of the two, but the 75Hz monitor has a better image.

Spitfire_x86 · Jan 4, 2005

I think I'll go with ViewSonic. In fact, normally I wouldn't think about other alternatives, but the ViewSonic P95f+ is out of stock here and it'll take at least 1-1.5 months for it hit stores again. Mainly that's why I was thinking about alternatives, among other 19" available here, the LG came closest to ViewSonic.

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okietex · Jan 4, 2005

Spitfire -

Are you set on CRT?
From a form factor reasoning and possibly less eye strain, you could go a 17"/19" LCD ... AND, I bring this up only because you're right in the same pricing as some that I've seen over @ NewEgg etc.

Like here ... <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=24-021-003&DEPA=1" target="_new">Rosewill</A>

or <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=20&DEPA=1" target="_new"> here </A>

but you'll give up some resolution and maybe if gaming it might not be as good. Personally, I really like my LCDs ...

Spitfire_x86 · Jan 4, 2005

I don't live in USA, 17" LCDs usually cost $430-$450 here, besides I'm set on CRT, since resolution is very important to me and I may have to use different resolutions from time to time, LCDs don't look good at lower than optimal resolutions. Gaming is also important, so I won't go for LCD.

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RichPLS · Jan 4, 2005

That Viewsonic is nice

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HardWareBoss · Jan 4, 2005

Just for the heck of it. Did you look at the dell 20 LCD with 12Ms? I may buy that. $640 US.

eden · Jan 5, 2005

I think I know which one you're refering to. Kinney bought one. From what he said though, those had a lot of problems, and even when you get a good one, you might experience some shadowing issues on the side of the monitor. I'd stick with what's been reviewed and recommended if I were you. Samsungs are especially great monitors and consistent from what I've seen.

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eden · Jan 5, 2005

With a CRT gaming is much better anyways, and if you like retouching images, I find the contrast on a CRT to be perfect versus editing on an LCD. On the latter I have trouble discerning various color tones. I might be wrong on modern ones, but an LCD is still not perfect enough against a CRT which costs way less, and in your case I'll wager you don't need one at all.
I'm just not yet enticed by the technology so far. It's got its ups, no doubt, but for the multimedia user like me, it's far from my liking.

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eden · Jan 5, 2005

BTW do you have any Samsung 19" CRTs around? Those usually cost slightly less than the Viewsonics and do just as well. If you know of one with similar specs, I strongly suggest considering it. Samsung flat CRTs rock IMO. Mine works very well with its image quality.

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eden · Jan 5, 2005

You're right about Viewsonics' quality. I see it everywhere, lots of old bombed screen ones still kickin'. They are most definitely players. Actually most monitors have great durability, compared to other computer parts. I'd have a hard time not making a 14" monitor from pre-1995 work.

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mozzartusm · Jan 5, 2005

I lucked up a few years ago and ran into a once in a lifetime deal. I know someone that is over the Unix system for one of the biggest Chemical manufactures in the world. Beleive it or not their corparate office is here in Mississippi of all places. Anyway, they consider all there equipment outdated after 10 months to 1 year. They keep the older units in storage for about 9 months, and then they call me to come pick up the old units. They have always donated there old systems to Colleges in the state, but none of the fat cats that work there are willing to take them to the colleges. To much physical labor involved I suppose. All I have to do is go pick up all the used equipment about once a year and they give it to me as long as I deliver half of it to the Colleges. I always end up donating more like 3/4 though. 1/2 to the Universtiy's, and around 1/4 to less fortunate people. One Christmas I fixed up about 20 systems for kids in the area that were from poor familys. Most of these kids are in High School and have the potential to do something with their lives but arent really motivated to do so. Im a big beleiver in the old saying "You reap what you sow".

Sorry about all that, I didnt mean to get long winded. Where does Spitfire live? It would probably be really expensive to ship a CRT over seas, otherwise I wouldnt mind sending him one of the 17's that I have in storage. There really starting to pile up and just becoming more of a burden on me.

Spitfire_x86 · Jan 5, 2005

I've looked for Samsung CRTs, they don't have a model that can do more than 67 Hz @ 1600x1200.

It's not easy to find "high res+high refresh rate" CRTs here, because most people care only about monitor size. Market for quality stuff is very small, so importers don't import many good monitors.

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HardWareBoss · Jan 5, 2005

GGA turned me on to that LCD from dell. In another post he made. First I've heard of problems with that LCD. Good to know.

Zoron · Jan 5, 2005

That's really strange, Spit... my Samsung 900DF (more than 3 years old) does 1600 x 1200 @ 85Hz... it'll do 1280 x 1024 @ 100Hz, but I usually leave it at 85.

What models were you looking at? I know Samsung makes higher end monitors than that.

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eden · Jan 6, 2005

Spitfire lives in Bangladesh.

Damn you got a nice deal. Are those systems really high end with parts your average enthusiast would use?

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eden · Jan 6, 2005

Tell me about it!

In Lebanon I found so many black market brands and systems, all that seemed to look exactly the same as some product here. It's not really fun and I wonder if the companies are aware of what is going on there.

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Spitfire_x86 · Jan 6, 2005

I know that Samsung makes high-end models, but my local dealers only has Samsung 955DF, which won't do more than 1600x1200 at more than 67 Hz.

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eden · Jan 6, 2005

BTW what do you plan on playing to actually reach such resolution with your 9000? Sounds like it's a bit pushed there.

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