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July 16, 2009 4:39:36 PM

LOL
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July 16, 2009 4:40:13 PM

I don't buy it, personally I think that Microsoft is taking cheap shots at Apple with these adds. In one of them a kid is looking for one for "gaming" and he spends under 800$, not possible if this kid is playing anything REMOTELY recent. They have a side up on Apple because Apple relies on loyal customers, Windows relies on stupid customers that they can lure into getting a laptop, regardless of weather or not it will perform well. They use tricks like big HD's and just putting FAST! next to any processor, even though they never top 2Ghz for the most part, and for the most part, they pick on uneducated buyers and get them to believe what they're getting is good.

Not to mention, these people haven't even taken their laptops home and REALLY used them yet, how you they know? :) 
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July 16, 2009 4:40:31 PM

Yeah... decent story, but is it really newsworthy?
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July 16, 2009 4:46:57 PM

First, let me say I don't believe this story is true no matter how much MS wants it to be.
I just saw a new one yesterday and they allowed $1,500, enough to buy a new 2.53 Ghz 13″ Macbook Pro with 4Gb DDR3 Ram, 250Gb HD and Nvidia Gforce 9400M graphics and the little part I love, a automatic backlit keyboard.
When the actor stopped at the Mac the comment was something like like Macs are all about looks and don’t have good guts inside. He had a point but not as extreme as one would believe. I would rather have a little less horsepower and get better battery life than the opposite and battery dies under two hours. Then there is the one of the key issues, OS X vs Vista, no comparison, OS X rocks. The actor then choose a HP with Millennium II in it, LOL.
I would grab the Mac for sure but I am sure I more informed than the average Joe that MS is targeting with these adverts.
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July 16, 2009 4:48:42 PM

brendano257I don't buy it, personally I think that Microsoft is taking cheap shots at Apple with these adds. In one of them a kid is looking for one for "gaming" and he spends under 800$, not possible if this kid is playing anything REMOTELY recent. They have a side up on Apple because Apple relies on loyal customers, Windows relies on stupid customers that they can lure into getting a laptop, regardless of weather or not it will perform well. They use tricks like big HD's and just putting FAST! next to any processor, even though they never top 2Ghz for the most part, and for the most part, they pick on uneducated buyers and get them to believe what they're getting is good.Not to mention, these people haven't even taken their laptops home and REALLY used them yet, how you they know?


and this is different from what apple does how?
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July 16, 2009 4:49:03 PM

brendano257I don't buy it, personally I think that Microsoft is taking cheap shots at Apple with these adds. In one of them a kid is looking for one for "gaming" and he spends under 800$, not possible if this kid is playing anything REMOTELY recent. They have a side up on Apple because Apple relies on loyal customers, Windows relies on stupid customers that they can lure into getting a laptop, regardless of weather or not it will perform well. They use tricks like big HD's and just putting FAST! next to any processor, even though they never top 2Ghz for the most part, and for the most part, they pick on uneducated buyers and get them to believe what they're getting is good.Not to mention, these people haven't even taken their laptops home and REALLY used them yet, how you they know?


man you just screw yourself there, if you see 90% of apple user are 100% technology uneducated, that is the reason they buy macs in the first place. They don't even realize what they are getting, because when you buy a mac, the spec are in a little, very small sticker on one of the remotely seen side of the box. Because almost non of the mac user knows what are those gibberish.
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July 16, 2009 5:02:57 PM

I want to believe it. It does make sense in this economy. Who would pay for Apples, all be it nice looking, overpriced systems when they can get a PC for less? No matter what when money gets tight people are going to go for what they can afford regardless of anything. Besides at least the M$ commercial tend to deal with the price of a PC and not the OS which is what Apple does. OH windows can't do this or that. Well if I have a PC who says I have to run windows. I can run any number of OS's. At least I have the choice on the PC. OH and if I build my PC it will cost me even less then if I bought one and more than likely have better hardware to.
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July 16, 2009 5:04:06 PM

... the ad's must be... one month testworking with Apple and OS X, and one month testworking with PC with Vista ... and then i would gladly see the results... don't misunderstand me... i'm a PC user my self... because Apple don't haz an AMD option... but... but wen YOU work with any apple device, YOU can feal the care and that it just works...
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July 16, 2009 5:05:38 PM

Apple..... Have you no shame with 12% of the market.
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July 16, 2009 5:07:11 PM

DjEaZy... the ad's must be... one month testworking with Apple and OS X, and one month testworking with PC with Vista ... and then i would gladly see the results... don't misunderstand me... i'm a PC user my self... because Apple don't haz an AMD option... but... but wen YOU work with any apple device, YOU can feal the care and that it just works...


As you can w/ a PC. I have four PC's including my work computer and they all work all day every day.
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July 16, 2009 5:07:34 PM

brendano257They have a side up on Apple because Apple relies on loyal customers, Windows relies on stupid customers that they can lure into getting a laptop, regardless of weather or not it will perform well.
Or, they buy a Windows laptop because everything is made for Windows.

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They use tricks like big HD's and just putting FAST! next to any processor, even though they never top 2Ghz for the most part, and for the most part, they pick on uneducated buyers and get them to believe what they're getting is good.Not to mention, these people haven't even taken their laptops home and REALLY used them yet, how you they know?
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What exactly do you need more than a 2.0 GHz C2D on a consumer grade laptop for? Are you willing to hurt your battery life and heat dissipation for it? Do you understand that in the laptop market, 2.0GHz C2D actually IS fast?

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Anonymous
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July 16, 2009 5:10:59 PM

"They have a side up on Apple because Apple relies on loyal customers, Windows relies on stupid customers that they can lure into getting a laptop, regardless of weather or not it will perform well."

That's one of the most absurd things I've read. Apples relies mostly on the art/photoshop community and users who don't want to know what goes on inside a computer. That is why they are "easier" to use.

Most people who use a windows os at home use it because that's what they use at work and it's familiar.

Are there Apple uber geeks out there who tripple boot OS X/Linux/Old Apple DOS? Yes and they know what they are doing. But 99% of Mac users wouldn't know a line of code from an line of iambic pentameter.
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July 16, 2009 5:11:07 PM

REally? that's the best call he's ever gotten?
i think the next call should be from Viagra or something.
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July 16, 2009 5:11:51 PM

RegulasI would grab the Mac for sure but I am sure I more informed than the average Joe that MS is targeting with these adverts.


i got an A on my American Pop Culture paper about how people like you buy things just to stand out and see themselves as higher class.

the commercials display people(i seriously doubt these are unscripted) with certain needs that sometimes a MAC can't handle. the same way a lot of people that do hardcore photo editing and graphic design that prefer to do it on mac's.
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July 16, 2009 5:12:35 PM

Regulas: You are an idiot. $1500 for a tiny 13" screen and an Nvidia GPU that will probably fail? Besides, 99% of laptops spend 99% of the time running at 800mhz to conserve power and avoid overheating, that clockspeed means nothing... No laptop can run full load all day everyday at max clockspeed...
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July 16, 2009 5:18:16 PM

RegulasFirst, let me say I don't believe this story is true no matter how much MS wants it to be.I just saw a new one yesterday and they allowed $1,500, enough to buy a new 2.53 Ghz 13″ Macbook Pro with 4Gb DDR3 Ram, 250Gb HD and Nvidia Gforce 9400M graphics and the little part I love, a automatic backlit keyboard.When the actor stopped at the Mac the comment was something like like Macs are all about looks and don’t have good guts inside.


The guts are the same. A mid range laptop has a core 2, 3-4gigs of ram, 160-320gb HD, and say an entry level Nvidia 9300m-9400m (ATI 3200 etc). The Mac version costs $1500, vs say a Dell Studio at $800. Thats almost twice the price in "Apple Tax".

It's true too. An experienced user can get anything out of a windows pc that they can out of a mac, and an entry level user will get all they need out of either.

In addition, $1500 will put you in the desktop replacement budget range with cards like Nvidia 9800m or ATI 4800 series, which performs in games almost immeasurable better than it's apple counterpart in the same price range. If you aren't playing games, I see it as extremely difficult to justify spending over $1000 on a laptop.

If OS X was really that great, I'd buy a windows laptop and throw OS X on it. Same hardware, but it really isn't that great. Productivity? Windows XP. Gotta have DX10? Not OS X. Sorry Apple, you lose this round, have fun with that iPhone.
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July 16, 2009 5:18:22 PM

HAHAHA I totally believe some Apple knucklehead did this, it fits right in line with their backward thinking policies.

As far as OS X being better than Vista - well, don't believe what the monkeys tell you. It's not. If you like the OS to handle things for you instead of allow you to do MORE, then fine, OS X might be for you. Otherwise, go with Vista - better yet, Win 7. Same philosophy as the iPhone compared to the Palm Pre.

Buy a Linux distro over OS X - which is nothing more than a Linux distro itself, and the most expensive one their is.

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July 16, 2009 5:21:48 PM

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man you just screw yourself there, if you see 90% of apple user are 100% technology uneducated


OK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.

Also, customers don;t get to see the box, except from a distance, until; they make a purchase decision. All the technical detail and pricing is displayed on the card in front of the displayed machine, and is exactly identical in content for both PCs and Macs. What's it issue is that little card only sais Processor speed (not type/model), RAM size (not speed), HDD size (and typically not speed), Optical drive type, and wireless card type. It lacks inclusions about backlit keyboard, 7 hour battery, graphics adapter (sometimes included), web cam, bluetooth, aluminum construction, firewire, and other hardware features nearly every mac has that few PCs in the same processor and size class come equipped with. It;s simply not a fair comparrison of specs.

Go to Apple.com, pick almost any model, then go to Dell and try to configure a machine to match the specs, same or better on all counts (i'll even let you exclude the battery life, SD reader, and backlit keyboard, and i'll even let the Dell weigh up to 2 lbs more)... Good luck. Get a gaming notebook from dell under $1500, a video editing notebook under $1000, a 24" anything, an 8core Xeon for even CLOSE to the PowerMac's price and features, a battery lasting more than 3 hours that's not in a netbook that offers a GPU and and even half the value adds of the macbook pro, they simply don't have it.

Yea, if you're looking for a generic POS to do little more than surf the web, email, and blog, absolutely there are cheaper machines out there, I'm not contesting that. That's not Apple's market, and they really could care less. Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software. Look at their adds, short of the whole "OS X doesn't crash" thing, it's all about doing things el-cheapo PCs can't do at all, or do so aggrivatingly slowly.
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July 16, 2009 5:38:45 PM

thearmAs you can w/ a PC. I have four PC's including my work computer and they all work all day every day.


... yea... but YOU feel skilled in the PC area... i imagine YOU know, what to do, when some errors appear and how to solve them? but what about a novice user...
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July 16, 2009 5:45:16 PM

oh yoy yoy. Mac boys. My LG r310 with t5800, intel x25-m and 4gb of ddr2-800 gets 5 hours battery life and with vista x64 will run rings around any macbook. Best part $1450 tax inclusive CND:-).

Now eat your heart out mac
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July 16, 2009 5:45:52 PM

There is one simple reason that the average laptop hunter chooses a Windows machine. They want to use various productivity apps (like Office) and to be able to share files with others. Many also have a PC at work and want to be able to share files and apps there too.

So, you could say that a Windows laptop is a social and collaborative machine.

Someone picking a Mac would be able to share some file types as attachments in emails with people that use Windows machines. Would it be an over generalization to say that anyone buying a Mac is not thinking or caring about using it as a social networking machine (other than via emails)?
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July 16, 2009 5:50:30 PM

zelanniiOK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.Also, customers don;t get to see the box, except from a distance, until; they make a purchase decision. All the technical detail and pricing is displayed on the card in front of the displayed machine, and is exactly identical in content for both PCs and Macs. What's it issue is that little card only sais Processor speed (not type/model), RAM size (not speed), HDD size (and typically not speed), Optical drive type, and wireless card type. It lacks inclusions about backlit keyboard, 7 hour battery, graphics adapter (sometimes included), web cam, bluetooth, aluminum construction, firewire, and other hardware features nearly every mac has that few PCs in the same processor and size class come equipped with. It;s simply not a fair comparrison of specs.Go to Apple.com, pick almost any model, then go to Dell and try to configure a machine to match the specs, same or better on all counts (i'll even let you exclude the battery life, SD reader, and backlit keyboard, and i'll even let the Dell weigh up to 2 lbs more)... Good luck. Get a gaming notebook from dell under $1500, a video editing notebook under $1000, a 24" anything, an 8core Xeon for even CLOSE to the PowerMac's price and features, a battery lasting more than 3 hours that's not in a netbook that offers a GPU and and even half the value adds of the macbook pro, they simply don't have it.Yea, if you're looking for a generic POS to do little more than surf the web, email, and blog, absolutely there are cheaper machines out there, I'm not contesting that. That's not Apple's market, and they really could care less. Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software. Look at their adds, short of the whole "OS X doesn't crash" thing, it's all about doing things el-cheapo PCs can't do at all, or do so aggrivatingly slowly.


First that's cuz dell sucks, second i have configured a laptop at hp that cost 1100 dollars and it was sick, good battery, like 3 and half hours, 2.5 ghz C2D, 4 gig of RAM, Vista 64 bit, With Nvidia G20M graphics with like 1 gig of VRAM, configure a similar MAC and tell me how much it will cost, even if they have those options it will be around 3800, for which price you get a laptop with a quad core processor at around 2.8 ghz and like a 260GT with blu ray. But if you get from the right place you could get an i7 laptop for 400 more, not that i would recommend an i7 on a laptop.

Sure the battery life will be depleted but that is cause ur are playing games on or doing tons of photography on it. in which case you won't be doing it in a public space, Playing Crysis in a restaurant? i don't think so
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July 16, 2009 5:53:55 PM

No, I'm pretty sure that Apple's ads are all about "people who use PCs are nerds and those who use Macs are hip and cool". Whatever else they say in the ads is just background for that idea. Personally, I'm insulted by them and will never buy a Mac because of them- and I'm not alone here.
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July 16, 2009 5:55:51 PM

zelanniiOK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.


Watch the Mac documentary. You will see all these people claiming that the PC is too hard to use... and who are these people (that are now using mac's?)??

Answer: Old People and DUMBASSES!!

Now THOSE are the people that use crapbooks err Mac's.

They are confused and told a $1199 computer with crappy specs is way better than a similarly priced $1199 pc computer.

ex. I went to best buy and saw a 17" HP laptop with a QUAD CORE Q9000 processor, 6GB memory, 500GB HDD, 1GB ATI 4650 Graphics card for $1299.

Now you are going to tell me that a 13" Macbook Pro with an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.56Ghz processor with 4GB of memory and 250GB hdd, ONLY an SD card reader (not even full sized) and only 128MB Nvidia 9400M at $1499 (a whole $200 more than the PC) is a better deal than the PC????? HOW BOUT NOOOO!!!! The crApple is a TERRIBLE deal!!
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July 16, 2009 5:56:05 PM

zelanniiOK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.Also, customers don;t get to see the box, except from a distance, until; they make a purchase decision. All the technical detail and pricing is displayed on the card in front of the displayed machine, and is exactly identical in content for both PCs and Macs. What's it issue is that little card only sais Processor speed (not type/model), RAM size (not speed), HDD size (and typically not speed), Optical drive type, and wireless card type. It lacks inclusions about backlit keyboard, 7 hour battery, graphics adapter (sometimes included), web cam, bluetooth, aluminum construction, firewire, and other hardware features nearly every mac has that few PCs in the same processor and size class come equipped with. It;s simply not a fair comparrison of specs.Go to Apple.com, pick almost any model, then go to Dell and try to configure a machine to match the specs, same or better on all counts (i'll even let you exclude the battery life, SD reader, and backlit keyboard, and i'll even let the Dell weigh up to 2 lbs more)... Good luck. Get a gaming notebook from dell under $1500, a video editing notebook under $1000, a 24" anything, an 8core Xeon for even CLOSE to the PowerMac's price and features, a battery lasting more than 3 hours that's not in a netbook that offers a GPU and and even half the value adds of the macbook pro, they simply don't have it.Yea, if you're looking for a generic POS to do little more than surf the web, email, and blog, absolutely there are cheaper machines out there, I'm not contesting that. That's not Apple's market, and they really could care less. Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software. Look at their adds, short of the whole "OS X doesn't crash" thing, it's all about doing things el-cheapo PCs can't do at all, or do so aggrivatingly slowly.


so you are saying that if you buy a regular mac you are able to edith professional video and do 3d animations and many other professional stuff, in el cheapo way?
or i'm wrong..
because as far as i know, the mac that i own, macbook pro "Was a gift from my sister" does not perform in a professional way when i'm about to render some 3d graphics. instead, if i want to render something 3d i have to buy a 3,000 usd mac workstation, and beside buy the video card, that they will sell to me for 2500 to 3000 more, because they have certified, when i buy the same workstation video card for a little bit more than 1000.00 in the market, and put a better spec workstation, with some opteron for half the price they are trying to shove into me.

sorry to open your eyes, if you want to do some professional work on mac, you have to spend, the double or triple in hardware and buy your professional applications. It just happens to be a lot cheaper on a pc.


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July 16, 2009 5:58:35 PM

they all suck but dell laptops are definitely way better than the crap laptop's/ PC's HP puts out there
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July 16, 2009 6:00:48 PM

@zelanni:

Since you posted a bunch of useless crap this is what caught my interest most...

"Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software."

First: I know plenty of pc users who manage thousands of pictures. I've got well over sixty three. Yes 6-3 thousand pictures that I manage. The fun fact is that now, Macs aren't the super exclusive media producing power houses that they used to be. Bands and Media creators use Pc's too. Look at workstations. You can dump less money into a pc workstation that performs better than any mac on the market. Last, what exactly is "high end software"? OS X? Must be, because there isn't much else that you can't get on pc...besides what, GarageBand? When there is a multitude of programs on pc that handle music production better given you take the time to learn it.

You know what else tom's? Nobody talks about the horror's of mac's repair process because everyone thinks it's great. How's this for you. Sister buys a new macbook against my wishes, Hard drive fails and shorts inside the damn thing. All kinds of crap goes wrong. She ships it off to Apple and four months later, FOUR MONTHS, mind you it was about one month old, she gets it back. They were busy apparently.
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July 16, 2009 6:00:52 PM

@Zel

You're so full of shit, its just sad to see how brainwashed people can get.

A Baseline Macbook Pro 13" costs $1200...
It has only 2.26GHz Core2Duo, 2GB of 1066MHz DDR3, a 160GB Serial ATA Drive @5400 rpm. The screen and videocard are OK... (9400M integrated, kinda low res LED screen covered in glass with "meh" view angles). Build quality is pretty good, and its a nice aluminum case.

The closes thing Dell has is a XPS M1330. It comes stock only a 2.1GHz T8100 (slightly weaker CPU), but 4GB of RAM, and 250GB HD. Upgrading to a 2.4GHz CPU comparable to what's in the Apple raises the price to $900. Upgrading to a 320GB 5400rpm HD costs nothing or 250GB 7200rpm HD is also a free upgrade (regardless the HD is better than Apple's).

So, basically for 900 dollars you can get a system that is pretty much on par with a $1200 Macbook. And thats with pretty minimal edge going to Apple on things like support and build quality (I think Apple support is a joke, but that's another rant). For a the 300 dollar difference, a college student could add a larger battery and TV tuner to the dell, and still have enough to upgrade to a better processor... making the machine easily superior.

There are Gaming notebooks for under 1500, they just are usually a little bulky, or require compromises. The NP8662, my personal favorite, has a starting price of right about 1500 depending on where you buy. Several Asus, MSI, and Gateway gaming laptops are well under 1500, or even have dropped below the 1k mark at times.

Apple computers are still priced a few hundred dollars too high. Their prices are at least within the realm of reality now, but still somewhat unreasonable in this type of a global recession.
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July 16, 2009 6:01:50 PM

zelanniiOK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.Also, customers don;t get to see the box, except from a distance, until; they make a purchase decision. All the technical detail and pricing is displayed on the card in front of the displayed machine, and is exactly identical in content for both PCs and Macs. What's it issue is that little card only sais Processor speed (not type/model), RAM size (not speed), HDD size (and typically not speed), Optical drive type, and wireless card type. It lacks inclusions about backlit keyboard, 7 hour battery, graphics adapter (sometimes included), web cam, bluetooth, aluminum construction, firewire, and other hardware features nearly every mac has that few PCs in the same processor and size class come equipped with. It;s simply not a fair comparrison of specs.Go to Apple.com, pick almost any model, then go to Dell and try to configure a machine to match the specs, same or better on all counts (i'll even let you exclude the battery life, SD reader, and backlit keyboard, and i'll even let the Dell weigh up to 2 lbs more)... Good luck. Get a gaming notebook from dell under $1500, a video editing notebook under $1000, a 24" anything, an 8core Xeon for even CLOSE to the PowerMac's price and features, a battery lasting more than 3 hours that's not in a netbook that offers a GPU and and even half the value adds of the macbook pro, they simply don't have it.Yea, if you're looking for a generic POS to do little more than surf the web, email, and blog, absolutely there are cheaper machines out there, I'm not contesting that. That's not Apple's market, and they really could care less. Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software. Look at their adds, short of the whole "OS X doesn't crash" thing, it's all about doing things el-cheapo PCs can't do at all, or do so aggrivatingly slowly.


Well, at the very least I think the spell check on my PC works somewhat "aggrivatingly" fast-ish.

Also, I suppose I tend to run middle-end stuff. So I see your argument there. Although I have to confess, sometimes I give in to my urge for some highest-end fun!

I do have a question - do excuse me since I am easily confused - are you saying the specification card in front of apple machines do or don't include the info as you pointed out? I don't know about you, but CPU model/type, RAM & HD speed are all kinda important, at least to me. I would hate to buy a machine speced at say 3GHz only. Is it AMD? Intel? *gasp* PowerPC?
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July 16, 2009 6:05:48 PM

I don't see what is so bad about these commercials. Apple has been bashing Microsoft with their "I'm a mac and I'm PC" for years. If Apple's 'impeccable' brand can't stand the heat, maybe they should stay out from the kitchen.
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July 16, 2009 6:07:42 PM

rocman3001 said:
I do have a question - do excuse me since I am easily confused - are you saying the specification card in front of apple machines do or don't include the info as you pointed out? I don't know about you, but CPU model/type, RAM & HD speed are all kinda important, at least to me. I would hate to buy a machine speced at say 3GHz only. Is it AMD? Intel? *gasp* PowerPC?


I don't know but if they didn't it must have been a real mess buying a mac the year they started rolling out the Intel macs. they all look the same but you don't know if you have a powerpc or intel inside when you go buy it
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July 16, 2009 6:09:47 PM

I can believe they didn't write a script for these commercials. However, that doesn't mean the people were not carefully selected to have a certain set of results. You find people who want to spend under $1000 and you make a big cut into who will be buying a Mac. You find people looking for a large range of games and you make a big cut into who will be buying a Mac. You find people who already have a Windows desktop system at home and you will make a big cut into who will be buying a Mac. Then you edit, edit, edit!

Voila! No script needed, because with the right people and enough footage, you can easily create a pre-planned message. Try it some time - pick your favorite hated figure on TV and get about 100 hours of tape on them, then edit clips to make them seem like a stupid idiot.

As to the whole "Mac is easy, even a moron can use it" - well, it took my mom a few months to learn to use both the Mac and the PC. Occasionally, she messes both systems up and I have to come fix something. Sometimes the issue isn't even related to the computer (such as her email service goes down temporarily). She is totally computer illiterate. To work on her mac (and linux), I still rely on the web because I have no familiarity with its guts - I'm a Windows person. Based on this experience and conversations with other hybrid users, I'd say that there is really no difference in the ease of use of either system. Its just the baby duckling syndrome (where what you use first is what you'll follow around in your buying life). This is called creating brand loyalty. Apple is way better at doing this than Microsoft, but Microsoft still knows how to do it also.

Getting back to this article, if true there is one easy solution. On the laptop hunter commercials, all they have to do is add a disclaimer text on the bottom stating when the hunts were conducted. That way people know they are talking about past pricing, and that it may have changed - but that the general trend is still true. Macs tend to be more expensive than many (not all) people's desired budgets. Windows based laptop will fall inside that budget.
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July 16, 2009 6:10:02 PM

Unless I hear a recording of this phone call, I don't believe it for a second. I'm sure Apple is not very fond of the laptop hunter commercials, but I can't imagine they would actually call Microsoft over it.
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July 16, 2009 6:13:53 PM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_ca...

This sums up what I would have to say...What isn't covered in this though is that if you want the latest and greatest hardware, you won't find it on a Mac. Show me a custom built mac...and then show me a custom built mac running an i7...I think Asus will steal the crown from Mac when it comes to asthetically pleasing and simple to use products with their EeePc hackbooks. I have one, and I love it almost as much as the i7 system I built a few months ago.
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Anonymous
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July 16, 2009 6:21:16 PM

To respond to this

"I don't buy it, personally I think that Microsoft is taking cheap shots at Apple with these adds. In one of them a kid is looking for one for "gaming" and he spends under 800$, not possible if this kid is playing anything REMOTELY recent."

WRONG, utterly completely wrong.

Best Buy has the Asus G50Vt-X5 for $850
15.6" 720p display
Core 2 Duo at 2.13ghz
4gb DDR2
320gb 7200rpm hard drive.
Nvidia 9800m GS with 512mb Gddr3

Tell me what games this system CAN'T play?

For $150 more you can also step up to the G51VX-RX05 which gives you a speedier Nvidia GTX 260m with 1gb of video memory.

What specs does a macbook have at $1000?
13.3" 1280x800 display
2.13GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR2 Memory
160GB hard drive at 5400 rpm.
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Standard keyboard

Which system would you rather have for gaming?
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July 16, 2009 6:22:44 PM

I've got five bucks that Microsoft will pull at least some of the ads. Apple dropped prices recently and the information quoted in the commercials is now inaccurate. They can't afford a trial over the next two years, they are getting sued for false advertising. That would completely undermine any success that these commercials might have had. I also saw a picture if this Microsoft guy, and can tell you for sure, that he cannot do a single cart-wheel.

Oh yea and one more thing. My MacBook Pro running Mac OS X is far, far better than any Windows PC laptop that I have ever owned. I won't be switching back any time soon. FWIW.

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July 16, 2009 6:31:24 PM

I found this on Apple's site:

Every new iMac includes high-performance NVIDIA graphics standard. Now games run smoother, photos load faster, and pro applications have even more power. The 20-inch iMac with the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated graphics processor delivers up to 2.3x faster graphics performance.1 The 24-inch iMac gives you even more graphics options. The NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated graphics processor makes viewing web pages and searching through your iPhoto library smoother and more efficient. Or you can choose NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 discrete graphics to take 3D graphics up a notch. For 3D graphics-intensive games or pro applications like Aperture and Motion, the NVIDIA GeForce GT 130 and ATI Radeon HD 4850 processors deliver the fastest graphics performance yet.

You've got to be kidding me right?

That last sentence slays me.

/end discussion
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July 16, 2009 6:37:11 PM

@rocman3001

The card does indicate processor (as in CoreDuo 2.4GHz), but that's acctualy not good information... Is it a 65 or 45 nm chip? How much cache does it have? does it have VM technology support, emt64, etc? Is it even a laptop chip or a desktop chip?

As for RAM, it will say "2GB" sometimes it will even say "DDR3" but rarely is any infomration obout bus speed or RAM speed in GHz provided except in the technical specifications online.

I can find you 2.4GHz notebooks with DDR3 that will be TROUNCED in performance by 2.0GHz machines that cost the same or less but have better underlying support components or specs.
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July 16, 2009 6:37:52 PM

zelannii :
OK, first, you better cite a source. Then, cite a source showing PC users have a better level of technology education.Also, customers don;t get to see the box, except from a distance, until; they make a purchase decision. All the technical detail and pricing is displayed on the card in front of the displayed machine, and is exactly identical in content for both PCs and Macs. What's it issue is that little card only sais Processor speed (not type/model), RAM size (not speed), HDD size (and typically not speed), Optical drive type, and wireless card type. It lacks inclusions about backlit keyboard, 7 hour battery, graphics adapter (sometimes included), web cam, bluetooth, aluminum construction, firewire, and other hardware features nearly every mac has that few PCs in the same processor and size class come equipped with. It;s simply not a fair comparrison of specs.Go to Apple.com, pick almost any model, then go to Dell and try to configure a machine to match the specs, same or better on all counts (i'll even let you exclude the battery life, SD reader, and backlit keyboard, and i'll even let the Dell weigh up to 2 lbs more)... Good luck. Get a gaming notebook from dell under $1500, a video editing notebook under $1000, a 24" anything, an 8core Xeon for even CLOSE to the PowerMac's price and features, a battery lasting more than 3 hours that's not in a netbook that offers a GPU and and even half the value adds of the macbook pro, they simply don't have it.Yea, if you're looking for a generic POS to do little more than surf the web, email, and blog, absolutely there are cheaper machines out there, I'm not contesting that. That's not Apple's market, and they really could care less. Apple is only interested in selling machines to poeple who want to do something with media, like manage tens of thousands of pictures, edit video, or run higher end software. Look at their adds, short of the whole "OS X doesn't crash" thing, it's all about doing things el-cheapo PCs can't do at all, or do so aggrivatingly slowly.

4 months ago I bought a HP entertainment laptop with a 18.4" 1080p display, T9600 2.8ghz Core2 Duo, 2GB of DDR2(DDR3 was available at no extra charge but it costs more to upgrade later)Nvidia 9600M GT 512mb video card, 320gb hard drive, web cam, wireless n, Blu-Ray super multi drive, Vista ultimate 64bit, web cam, fingerprint reader, and the list goes on. I paid $1279.99 directly from HPs website. I dare anyone try to find something with those specs at the Apple store for that price. Feel free to use a 17" display in your pricing because Apple does not have a 18.4. By the way, I replaced the 2GB of DDR2 with 4GB of faster OCZ memory from NewEgg for $40. I just checked the Apple store and found similar but slower memory for $200! That is 5x the price! I wish you Apple guys the best of luck with your finances. Money is too tight for me to flush mine down the toilet.
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July 16, 2009 6:37:56 PM

LOL!
I love this! The basic user wants to send mail, do documents and minor things. Why pay twice the amount for basic usage? Besides after a few months the computer depreciates in price and in a couple of years you get a new one. This comment is for the basic computer usage person, not the high end gamers, video editors etc...
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July 16, 2009 6:38:30 PM

I lied. It's not over.

Apple's "Beast" Mac Pro has an...AWESOME GT 120! You can have FOUR for 450 dollars more! Too bad the GT120 is worse than the 8600gt's of...last...last year?

They're charging 200 dollars for a 65 dollar hard drive and ONLY. You ready for it? No included software :D 
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July 16, 2009 6:40:38 PM

elrabinTo respond to this "I don't buy it, personally I think that Microsoft is taking cheap shots at Apple with these adds. In one of them a kid is looking for one for "gaming" and he spends under 800$, not possible if this kid is playing anything REMOTELY recent."WRONG, utterly completely wrong.Best Buy has the Asus G50Vt-X5 for $85015.6" 720p displayCore 2 Duo at 2.13ghz4gb DDR2320gb 7200rpm hard drive.Nvidia 9800m GS with 512mb Gddr3Tell me what games this system CAN'T play?For $150 more you can also step up to the G51VX-RX05 which gives you a speedier Nvidia GTX 260m with 1gb of video memory.What specs does a macbook have at $1000?13.3" 1280x800 display2.13GHzIntel Core 2 Duo2GB DDR2 Memory160GB hard drive at 5400 rpm.NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphicsStandard keyboardWhich system would you rather have for gaming?

Absolutely correct. I bought the G50Vt-X5 a couple months ago and there isn't a game out there you can throw at it and give it any trouble. I consider it a very good gaming laptop and it's barely over $800. For $650-$800 you can easily get a laptop that will handle most games at average-high settings. You'd be surprised what a mid-range IGP can handle in a laptop with 4GB of RAM and C2D for gaming.
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July 16, 2009 6:46:58 PM

I'll take a Imac over a PC any day of the week. I don't have all
those software crashes and memmory crashes and Virus invasions that
i use to have on a PC. As far as the comercial goes i have to agree
with most people above me who simply state the cheap laptops they are
buying. If you want garbage than buy it. But with that said if you buy
a PC, which i won't anymore but if i did it wouldn't be a cheap one like
they advertise in the Microsoft comercials, their garbage.
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July 16, 2009 6:47:13 PM

I'll take a Imac over a PC any day of the week. I don't have all
those software crashes and memmory crashes and Virus invasions that
i use to have on a PC. As far as the comercial goes i have to agree
with most people above me who simply state the cheap laptops they are
buying. If you want garbage than buy it. But with that said if you buy
a PC, which i won't anymore but if i did it wouldn't be a cheap one like
they advertise in the Microsoft comercials, their garbage.
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
July 16, 2009 6:54:12 PM

"I've got five bucks that Microsoft will pull at least some of the ads. Apple dropped prices recently and the information quoted in the commercials is now inaccurate. They can't afford a trial over the next two years, they are getting sued for false advertising. That would completely undermine any success that these commercials might have had. I also saw a picture if this Microsoft guy, and can tell you for sure, that he cannot do a single cart-wheel.

Oh yea and one more thing. My MacBook Pro running Mac OS X is far, far better than any Windows PC laptop that I have ever owned. I won't be switching back any time soon. FWIW."

Regardless of of individual preferences...this does seem to be related to false advertising. The point is not one of comparability, but simply one of a changing price point for a mac which is no longer accurately presented in the commercial. I think it is a fair for the MS employee to interpret the price change as a success, but it could be a spurious one given the current economic climate. Regardless of the reason for the price drop, if I worked in advertising for Microsoft and would sure as hell interpret this as a win.
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July 16, 2009 7:00:10 PM

Here's a comparrison for you:
Dell Studio 14z: same specs across the board as Apple base "white" macbook: (ok, the dell has 1GB extra ram, but slower bus speed) 2.13GHz, 250GB 5400, Wireless n, bluetooth, larger battery, Vista ultimate (lets be fair)CDRW. What I can't match, NO firewire, still less battery life with expanded cells, CD is EXTERNAL!, no video editing suite, no web publishing suite, no PDF writer, no photo management software.

That said, dell is $1129, Mac is $999...

Don't even ask for a comparrison on the Pro line. Dels closest machine that touches either the look/feel of the design is $2000 (Adamo) and the closest thing that touches the video performance and gaming potential (you're clearly looking at high end machines if the white macbook isn't powerful enough) is an alienware 17 monster weighing 11 lbs.

Microosft's success with their shopper line is in people who are picking machines simply underclassed to handle the expected (stated in commercail) tasks. An $800 machine for an amature videographer??? (has she ever connected a camera to a PC before, or read the specs on the software package she'll use) A $600 machine for a college student??? (did they check their college's enrollment guide and system requirements)

These are stupid people (one confirmed to be an actress btw), who don;t know WHAT they're buying. Apple doesn't WANT uninformed buyers, they cost too much to support and suck off all the profits.

Oh yea, for those uninformed, Apple support DOES assist with software issues under the waranty, Dell does not, they reference you to microsoft, who charges $199 to open a ticket per incident before they even ask what the "incident" is... Put a value on that...
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July 16, 2009 7:09:47 PM

Whoever is comparing Apple's prices against the "basic user" STOP. That's complete bullshit. If you want to argue that, go ask a BMW salesman why anyone walks in their showroom. Apple does NOT sell or market "basic" user machines. They are UNINTERESTED in the basic user market. They PURPOSELY do not sell a machine in that class.

If they wanted to, it would be EASy for them. Just take the white macbook, remove the webcam, drop wireless n to wireless g, remove the backlight, firewire, bluetooth, drop the screen res, shorten the battery life, and it would easily be a $500 machine... Using OS X is about the EXPERIENCE of the OS GIU, and the management of all your stuff. If all you do is surf the web, and don't have lots of stuff and dont do home movies, then you don't have a use case for OS X, SO DON'T BUY IT!

Compare the specs of any machine Apple sells to any machine Dell, HP, or the other major vendors sell, in the same class of components, Apple bounces between $100 more and $200 less per model. Even subtract the "gimmick" features like webcams, backlit keyboards, etc, and simply focus on the core components of screen res, CPU performance, RAM size and speed, HDD size and speed, wireless capabilities, and bluetooth, and Apple is RIGHT IN LINE with the PC pricing (and throws in the equivalent of hundreds of dollars in software free, and will actually SUPPORT the software and not redirect you to microsofts fee based and unfriendly services).
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July 16, 2009 7:21:28 PM

... it is all oranges and apple's... :D 
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July 16, 2009 7:22:36 PM

pug_sI don't see what is so bad about these commercials. Apple has been bashing Microsoft with their "I'm a mac and I'm PC" for years. If Apple's 'impeccable' brand can't stand the heat, maybe they should stay out from the kitchen.


It's really kinda funny.
"I'm a Mac and I'm PC"... but you can't actually tell you paid too much for your Mac...

Beg Apple beg... but the fact is 1499$ (2.53Ghz) for a 13' screen... it's totally over priced.

I read someone bashing about ram speed, processor,... hes said "it's too hard to understand."
Totally right but if you don't do it you buy a 1499$ Mac thinking you have a great and powerful machine. In fact is... it's just a normal machine with an old Intel Duo core...
It has only 2.26GHz Core2Duo, 2GB of 1066MHz DDR3, a 160GB Serial ATA Drive @5400 rpm. The screen and videocard are OK... (9400M integrated, kinda low res LED screen covered in glass with "meh" view angles). Build quality is pretty good, and its a nice aluminum case.

The screen is small... you can't play an med Blue-ray quality (1650x1050)..
There is an option on Apple website.. Apple LED Cinema Display (24” flat panel) [Add $899.00]!!!!!!!!

Great look... but if I feel... I won't paid 1199$+tax( Mac 2.2Ghz model) for something like a netbook (300$+tax).............
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