40 cards and 3Dmk05

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 17, 2005

Some interesting results and a conclusion that matches what I'd been saying for a while (no more optimizations to make the FXs match the radeons).

<A HREF="http://www.digital-daily.com/video/3dmark-2005pro/index04.htm" target="_new">http://www.digital-daily.com/video/3dmark-2005pro/index04.htm</A>

Interesting on the surface, especially since it includes the individual tests. Interesting to see the GMA900/IntelExtreme3 with the high fill rate it has (it has pixel shaders just no vertex shaders).

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priyajeet · Jan 17, 2005

CONCLUSION:
fanATIcs have bigger epenis.

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eden · Jan 17, 2005

Staples just switched to the 800 series HP PCs and 1300 serie from Compaq. The good?
A lot!

For starters, the minimum we sell now is not a Celery, but a Sempron. And if I am not mistaken, it's just a rebadged Palomino AthlonXP. That's awesome performance all the way! The lowest end uses a Sempron with CD-writer and 256MB. Ok but at least it's a good core, no Celeron P4 crap performance. (in other words, not really a bastardized CPU, if you remember what a Palomino was like)
All other PC systems now come with DVD Burners, which is a true goodie, as even the low end Compaqs and HPs get it. Nice to know you can buy a 700$ CDN PC with that included. The low end HP also comes with an Athlon 64 3000+, so that's pretty damn cool too. Up until now, the only A64 I had seen used was the 3400+ for one of their Media Center PCs.
All other HPs are now P4 Prescotts but with the J model, which if I remember correctly are the E0 Prescotts. That is awesome news in terms of idle core economy (Intel's Speedstep-like technology included), and also in terms of the Execute Disable Bit tech included. Now I can tell 'em the chip does anti-virus protection. :tongue:
As well, as expected, the GMA is in there, but at least for once we have an "almost decent" video card on an OEM PC. Which is good if you ask me. Plus the highest end HP has 1GB of RAM which put all of the associates off like me. Not even the Media Center PC has that! Pretty nice though very useless since the whole machine lacks the gamer feel without a good video card. But hey, it's about the same price as the highest end 700 serie HP that we were selling.

Overall a nice improvement in the PCs. All that just to tell you we have the GMA900 now being sold... :tongue:

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 17, 2005

Staples, the cutting edge of 3 world release dates! :tongue:

BTW, lemme know when you see your first ATI RS-X200 based IGP board or Via Unichrome based board. At least those should play HL2, FartCry and D3, even if it's at low res/settings.

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eden · Jan 17, 2005

Staples, the cutting edge of 3 world release dates!

I'm not sure I caught that one.

Will keep you updated though. GMA900 may suck, but at least it makes the systems the "suckiest" for gaming.

(oh how I feel bad when the customers come back wanting a better video card and they shell out 249.99$ for that 5700LE plus installation fee of like 30-35$ to play a recent game

...)
I'm guessing I could only recognize the X200 board through the Device Manager unless the video card has a name?

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 17, 2005

Yeah it should appear in both the device mangler and the display properties (right click on desktop).

I haven't seen anything yet, but from what I've hear they are out there in large numbers in the OEM field.

The first comment was a reference to you guys getting new gear around the same time as Djibouti!

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RX8 · Jan 17, 2005

Thats amazing i just clicked on the link and took a look at the results and specs used.

And i see somthing wrong in the results straight away, for me it just puts ati`s cards with a big edge over nvidias, i own a X800XT not PE and i can achive 5000 straight with those settngs with just 512 mb of ram and a XP3000 no OC, even a 6800 128 vanilla i get 4000 with no OC not a crap 3100, i have even benchmarked 6800 ultra and acieved 4900 just below my xt, and that was with all optimisations off apart from one of ati`s which i couldent switch off.

it just seems a bit dodgy.

HardWareBoss · Jan 17, 2005

Would have like to see the scores on BFG 6800GTOC.

johnnyinternet · Jan 17, 2005

haha i work at staples too! what a great job!! forget hp go with a northgate, you know they are the [-peep-]. i hope you picked up the sarcasm. ok now for my real question, why are the pci-e cards performing lower than the agp? is it not true that the pci-e was supposed to be better or is that in some area of tech that doesn't seem to mater?

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 17, 2005

I'm nt going to try and defend the author's results, I'll just say that the GF6800 fell in around where I'd expect it and so did many other cards. I doubt he'd fudge the numbers just to pick a winner especially after all that effort, but I don't know, it's not my testing. I'd think that all the individual tests would back up their results, but if someone went out of their way to lower the numbers, by something like an underclock, it'd affect all tests of course.

You may also want to check which drivers you are using as they may not match up.

One thing to note is that the X800XT(non-pe) PCIe beats out the X800XTPE AGP which would indicate a disparity in the platforms, even the GF6800GT PCIe wins out over the AGP version. So the XTPCIe may be somewhat more elevated than the results you would experience. The fact that you got about the same with the Ultra as their would give you a good AGP watermark.

Anywhoo, I doubt that they'd go out of their way to fudge the numbers (this isn't a test many people will remember after tomorrow, nor would many people see it without it being pointed out). As always take the reviews as you see fit.

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pauldh · Jan 17, 2005

LOL @ the whole FX series. They handle this test almost as bad as <A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/1104/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html" target="_new">the DX9 path in HL2</A>. The FX5200 and FX5600XT shine once again.

, and once more we see a 9600 pro outperforming the FX5950U. People were warned about the FX series for future gaming, still many decided they played Quake 3 and COD well enough that it's just a matter of some new magic drivers and they will surpass their ATI competition. HMMM, maybe they should've listened.

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RX8 · Jan 17, 2005

LOL your right again, what i was taking into consideration was i have a measily XP3000 oc from a XP2600, which gave the same results as a 3.6ghz p4 i used the same drivers so i thought there is deffinatly somthing not right there.

DeathClock · Jan 17, 2005

Well nice benchmark test but a few very good cards aren't included... Gainward 6800 Ultra (and the Extreme) GS, the very fast Sapphire Radeon X800XT PE. Why aren't those in the test? Those two cards are as quick as hell. Both are OC'd standard, although the Gainward needs to be OC'd when you have it installed manually.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 17, 2005

Why aren't those in the test?

Probably availability. This isn't [H] or THG, this is some second tier reviewer who likely has limited stock/supplies. Notice there is no X800XL or GF6200 either. It's a question of the readily available norms. This represents the majority of cards widely held/available. The rarities like the Gainward don't reflect the norms that most people will gauge against. Of course they do have the R9600XT Extreme, so I think it has more to do with just what they could get their hands on.

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eden · Jan 18, 2005

The first comment was a reference to you guys getting new gear around the same time as Djibouti!

In a few years we MIGHT offer the Radeon 9800SE!

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eden · Jan 18, 2005

forget hp go with a northgate, you know they are the [-peep-].

LMAO.

Apparently we had 3 defects around this time.

What's your store number? 107 here.
BTW you got the 800 series HPs yet?

why are the pci-e cards performing lower than the agp? is it not true that the pci-e was supposed to be better or is that in some area of tech that doesn't seem to mater?

As the reviewer said, in some areas you see the nice boost the PCI-E bus can provide for even a weaker card than the top of the line AGP one. (XT PE) PCI-E doesn't provide boosts from Hell anytime, but in some cases it will.

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KCjoker · Jan 18, 2005

Interesting test but I choose to put more weight into gameplay than benchmark tests. What's killed ATI this round is production.

coolsquirtle · Jan 18, 2005

digital daily is a fanATic crawling site -_-
*nVidiot scrambling to find evidence*

erm....cause i said so.......

nVidia needs new drivers.....AGAIN

damn their driver team!

that's the only reason i can think of
even with the X800XT PE, 6800Ultra SPECwise is superior in every way...there is no way they're getting owned, another reason i can think of is that 6800Ultra are running with SM3.0 while X800XT is with SM2.x a,b,c whatever

or futuremark CHEATED!

DAMN ALL YOU FANATIC!

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 18, 2005

I'll help you out here, despite myself.

3Dmk05 is very vertex shader heavy so it plays to ATI's strengths more than any game would at this moment (well it is 'future looking') or maybe even ever.

However the FX series isn't going to get the driver focus it needs to keep pace with the equivalent radeons, it's pretty much abandoned. But hey even nV doesn't promote the FX and consider it a past they'd rather forget, they're focusing on their very solid 6 series card which are the true future and better represent their abilities and thegood part of their past. The GF6xxx do well and they are the future. While gaming is the primary focus, and this benchmark does point at some minor weaknesses, unlike last generation, while the nV card may come in second in these tests, they are neck and neck in gaming, whereas last time the FXs were neck and neck in 3Dmk03 (after run-time compiler) but still lagged in games. I'd rather have the scenario we have now.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 22, 2005

And now 41 cards in 3Dmk03 from TT hardware;

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Interesting the X800SE equalling the GF6600GT, thus reinforcing my idea that the X800SE should be the GT's competition in the AGP market if they could just produce more parts!

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RX8 · Jan 23, 2005

These charts seem a lot better than the other reviews, what was the test system specs?

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jan 23, 2005

what was the test system specs?

Unfortunately not mentioned <A HREF="http://www.tt-hardware.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7739" target="_new">in the original French</A>, and not only will they not let you post anonymously, they won't let you read other people's comments either, so I don't know if that's been answered or even asked.

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HardWareBoss · Jan 23, 2005

Chart die. No can see small print.

pauldh · Jan 24, 2005

Hold your mouse over the lower right corner of the chart and then expand it to regular size.

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