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a b U Graphics card
March 4, 2005 3:36:57 PM

OK, it's a refurb, but it's <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">$130 for a 256-bit 9800 pro</A>. It sure is a better deal than a new 9600XT or FX5700le priced the same.

If you got the stomach for refurbs and need a sub $150 AGP card, go for it while it's in stock.



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March 4, 2005 4:54:51 PM

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March 4, 2005 5:20:01 PM

Nice price, and for that price damn well worth the refurb.


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March 4, 2005 8:07:08 PM

Ive been looking for an AGP card for someone. Will that card be able to handle games like Doom 3?

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March 4, 2005 8:44:14 PM

9800s run D3 just fine... not with everything maxed out, but with medium settings and at 1024x768 I think I was running in the 40fps range...

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March 4, 2005 8:45:51 PM

That should be fine for this guy.

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March 4, 2005 10:13:03 PM

My 9800 Pro w/XT bios and @ XT speeds runs doom 3 fine at 1024x768 high detail (thats level 3 of 4) and with 8x performance anisotropic filtering. So for a stock Pro, 1024 and medium, maybe a bit of aniso, sounds about right.

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March 6, 2005 2:02:59 AM

Youve been hanging around phial. Quit skimming over the threads :smile: Its for a friends system.

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a b U Graphics card
March 6, 2005 2:34:13 AM

Yeah, the 9800 pro is a solid card although not up to 6600GT standards, especially in Doom 3. Stock speeds expect 1024x768 medium in D3, 1024x768 Med/high in farcry, and 1280x1024 high in HL2, or 1024 with some AA.

What it really boils down to is that at about $200 for a new 9800 pro, as is most often the case, the 6600GT is clearly the better buy. But at $130, it absolutely crushes other cards available. I often see the $150 price point as the most ignored. $100...buy a 9600 pro & $200...buy a 6600GT or possible spend a little more on a 6800 bargain, etc. But inbetween, what is there in AGP that is a valid choice? Most Often the best bang in the middle is looking for either an incredible sale on a new 9700 pro or 9800 pro, or buying a used or refurbished card. And refurb prices have not been great for quite a while, often only 10-15% under new.

Anyway, I follow online video deals almost daily, and just thought this was worth passing on as usually the refurbs are much higher. I was about to post there was a $111 128-bit refrub Radeon 9800, which fits in above a 9500 pro/9600 XT and below a 9700. For $111, not a bad deal. But saw this 256-bit pro for $19 more, which is a far better deal. I have 2 9800 pros myself, 1 Sapphire, 1 BBA, both bought new. But I still ordered one of these refurbs because often a friend or customer would want a valid step up from a Ti4200, and this is a perfect card to offer them to save them money. Here at THGC I hang out with fellow geeks and enthusiasts. But in the real world, few people I know will spend $200 or more on a video card. It is a pleasure when a customer wants top end, but that is rare for me to find as the ones I know who want that just build it for themselves. That's why Ti4200's became my most used card in the past as I could get people to spend that $75-$100. If I didn't have so many slower cards to get rid of still, I would have ordered more of these 9800 pro refurbs.

Anyway, way to long a story, just wanted to answer your question also like WS did, and ask you if you ordered one? Mine is showing Wednesday for delievery as it shipped out from CA yesterday.



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March 6, 2005 11:20:10 PM

Thanks for the insight.

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March 6, 2005 11:21:28 PM

Ive seen Rich picking on Phial for skimming the threads. I was just picking on both of you :smile:

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March 7, 2005 5:10:45 AM

yo dawg :tongue:

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March 7, 2005 7:07:23 AM

Yes I did


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March 7, 2005 7:08:45 AM

But it was me that was talking about you :eek: 

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March 9, 2005 3:33:03 AM

I read the "disclaimer" regarding refurbs on Newegg and am concerned about possible missing essential accessories. Is that something I should be worrying about if I buy one of these?

Thanks,

Tim
a b U Graphics card
March 9, 2005 11:36:15 AM

If you need them and don't want to have to possibly buy them somewhere else, YES. There is no guarantee they are in the box. I have received everything in the pictures before with a newegg refurb, but I have also received just the bare card itself on some refurbs. Often the ones that were retail boxes seem to have a better chance than the oem's of having everything included. (my own personal expereince, but not a definate fact) I hope they include the 4-pin power cable, but beside that DVI to VGA adapter and TV out cables would be a bonus. I'll post back tonight what came with my 9800 pro as Fedex shows delivery today.



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March 9, 2005 1:22:22 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I went ahead and ordered it because I have extras of all the things listed that it says the retail version includes. Hopefully there won't be any surprises.

Thanks,

Tim
March 9, 2005 8:01:55 PM

Sure glad I went for it when I did - the card is no longer listed as a refurb for that price.

Thanks for the tip, Pauldh!
a b U Graphics card
March 10, 2005 2:27:58 AM

Bad news. Tested mine out right away in 3dmark03 and the RAM artifacts at stock speeds before the end of Game 1!

I have to underclock the ram to 324 from 337.5 default to be artifact free. I ran 3dmark03 loops at 324 and kept going in to watch, and it's fine. Not sure how long it would last though if used every day at that speed.

Anyway, I am off to see what the core can do, but mine will be going back to newegg. I didn't really care if it OC'ed well or not, but no way am I keeping a card that can't run stock speeds.


EDIT: Too bad the Hynix was bad as the core was good for 423MHz.

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 03/10/05 00:04 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 10, 2005 4:04:42 AM

With such a disparity in pricing from the other 9800Pros, I was afraid there might be something not quite right about that card. I was even wondering if the "256-bit memory" might possibly be a misprint.

Anyway, do you think the deficiency you found with the card could compromise its ability to be softmodded to a FireGL?

Thanks,

Tim
March 15, 2005 6:03:44 PM

I'm having a similar issue and would like to return the card I got as well.

Is there anything you guys do on RMAs to avoid paying Newegg's 15% restocking fee?

Thanks!

Tim
a b U Graphics card
March 15, 2005 10:20:25 PM

Are you serious? Yours artifacts at stock speeds? Try rage 3d tweak to underclock the memory and see if it goes away.

Anyway, I put in for a repalcement not a return. I doubt you will get your full money back without losing the 15% fee unless you request a repair/replacement and they are no longer available. if out of stock they will then refund your money. otherwise you will get a replacement card.

If your's is the same I suspect sapphire unloaded some crap cards on newegg. If so, many are being RMA'd, so you may want to search for some more evidence and be a bit more forcefull in having the 15% fee waved given the number of complaints. I know i voiced my dissatification to newegg complaining Sapphire unloaded junk on them this time. I told them it was a waste of both Neweggs and Mine time/shipping fees that I find inexcuseable for Sapphire to sell cards that fil within seconds in 3D aps at stock speeds. Proves they test the cards for booting and that is it. Anyway, Cost me $8 to return mine, so if the second one fails I'll be voicing a harsher complaint with some acceptable solutions.

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March 16, 2005 4:42:20 AM

Jesus, what have you done Paul?

It's Pauls Fault people are getting screwed by Newegg!

(Just razzing you man. hang in there guys, just keep returning them until they send you a good one. :) 

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March 16, 2005 5:15:57 AM

Sorry - I didn't mean to be misleading. When I said I had similar issues I was thinking of how your card didn't meet your expectations.

All I really did was install the card and open up a large assembly in SolidWorks. When I spun the assembly around I noted that a few edges that should've shown up as lines didn't display properly. It wasn't a deal-breaker by itself, but I subconsciously coupled that with your comments and probably thought worse of the card than I should have. If you feel that yours was just "defective" and not common to all of these particular cards, there may not really be anything wrong with the one I got. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if this one is completely normal.

I wrote an email to Newegg requesting that they waive the restocking fee because I feel that I got the wrong card. If they balk at that I'll probably just keep it and put it in my wife's computer so the boys will have a moderate "gaming" card. For my computer I'm leaning toward something perhaps another level up or at least that comes with all the accessories.

Sorry for not being more clear.

I'm looking forward to learning how the replacement card compares to the one you RMA'd.

Tim
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2005 10:53:20 AM

Thx for making me feel better Cleeve. :tongue:

I would have been pretty dissapointed if all three THGC orders for this card were bad. I know the risks and feel it's worth it based on past success. Hopefully mine was the bad one in a good bunch and the next one will be fine. It would be nice if they mess up and replace it with the HIS Ice Q model that was a $175 refurb. :smile:



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a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2005 10:32:14 PM

Unsure why as they have loads of 128MB 256-bit 9800 pro's in stock. But Newegg refunded my money in full instead of sending me a replacement, claiming my item is out of stock and unavailable. Oh well, lost $8.50 in return shipping fees and no card to show for it. But New 256-bit 9800 pros can be bought for $167 now, just check pricewatch, so I am Ok with it. Win some lose some.


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