The Fast and The Furious

Maybe it's already been said, but what did you think of the movie?

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I wish there'd been more American cars, but typically tricked out cars are Asian anyway.

It was a cool movie. You just had to have the right epectations going into it.

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I brought it up, but I was the only one who had seen it then.

Thought it was cool. Better than expected.

I just saw Final Fantasy...that was tight!
I liked Dr Doolittle2, thought Cats and Dogs was all in the trailer. Jurasic Park 3 was meant for video. They shouldn't even have bothered releasing it in the theater. It was a b-film. Still thought it was entertaining though...

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Yes I saw final fantasy on the weekend as well... and fast and furious, I liked fast and furious a lot better. I mean, final fantasy was a good movie if you exlude the story line (the whole ff storyline is gay).

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Actually, decking out NEW American cars isn't that expensive either. Take the Camero for example. It's got over 300 hp and pretty good handling ALREADY at under $30k. I have seen so many different styles of cameros here (Portland, OR), it's unbelievable. I did like one aspect of Fast and Furious more than others that i don't see much on cars...the neon light underneath. now THAT would be nice . I dunno, maybe it's due to the weight and the massive nature of american cars that they chose not to display them in the movie. I mean, on average aren't american sports cars larger than other countries (*thinks of the bmw z3, z8, the Honda civics, the jettas, the toyota spyders, as opposed to the corvettes, vipers, and cameros). In fact, in the movie, the only semi-large sports car (the ferrari) was mocked. Maybe the director was a 5 foot male and was just bitter

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Oh i know that was his point, i just caught the "older" and wanted to comment on that and show how NEWER american cars are still pretty cheap to improve. I still don't know why cameros are so cheap. I mean, a corvette is so much more expensive for not much more performance. I guess it's the same with a ferrari, right? I mean, if u followed what the movie was saying, the little decked out foreign cars were about 80,000 and the ferraris *whistles* can range anywhere from there to 500,000. I'm not big enough on cars to recognize THAT particular ferrari, but i do know that ferrari is mostly just a name. It's like Bose; i mean sure it is great sound, but u can do just as good with monsoon or even something like yamaha for MUCH cheaper. I dunno what i was originally replying to, so i'll just be quiet now

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You pretty much got my point. I think being that straight line racing was the concept of the movie, they could have included a few more american muscle cars, or even newer american sports cars. For what some of those imports cost, you could drop 528 mopar performance hemi into a 70' challenger, add a blower, or nitrous, be able to walk all over all the cars in that movie (straight line, of course) and have $40,000 to spare.
I just have a hard time understanding the thought process of import tuners.
You want headers for your 99 honda civic, that's going to cost you a good 3 grand and give you maybe 20 horse power.
I want headers for anything with a small block chev, it costs maybe $300, and i can put them in myself for free.
It's no doubt that a horsepower build is much more logical in american muscle. Until handling enters into the equasion of course.

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well the story line revolves around illegal street racing, in which almost all such cars involved are imports. the movie revolves around 12 and 13 second cars (except for the sweet ass 9 second car at the end) in which looks are as important as speed. and in this category imports fit the bill much better than domestics. and realistically, any car with twin turbo and nitrous is going to have speed out the ass.

eh, i'll procrastinate later...

you do realize that horsepower isnt everything right? big ass trucks have tons of horsepower but you dont see them racing becaues they also way several tons. american cars, on average, weigh a lot more than japanese cars. so that little extra horsepower just goes toward towing that fat ass body.

eh, i'll procrastinate later...

CA car culture depends on your friends and where you live. You might be in a group where it's Ford vs Chevy and get the rice rockets the hell out of our way or visa versa. Usually though you don't race an import vs a domestic. It makes little sense. The asian cars weigh nothing, but I've never really seen one beat a 12-13 second domestic car so people don't bother with them. Also, I don't know anybody who has bothered to spend 80K on a car when you can spend 30K or, in most (all) cases, MUCH less and get a 13 second car.

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<A HREF="http://showroom.nissan.co.jp/WebObjects/Lineup.woa/C99IMAGES/l_skyline-gtr3.jpg" target="_new"> Nissan R34 Skyline </A> 45k from the factory will kick the sh|t out of a Camaro or Mustang in performance and looks. We finally will get one of these fine pieces of machine state side in the form of the Infinity R35. Its packing a 3.5 liter twin turbo V8 pushing out well over 450 horsepower. Complete with 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, and a racing 6 speed box. HKS took one of the R34 models up to 1600 horsepower out of a 2.6 liter DOHC straight six. Lets see anything domestic do that! Also most countries enjoy cars that can do more then go in a straight line really fast. The like cars that can go really fast in a straight line and in turns, <i>sharp turns!!!</i> Your fat bodied firebirds might be good for the drag strip, just keep them off the real race tracks!

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Why don't you compare your corvett, camero, or viper to my 3000 GT, Supra, or NSX....(BTW-is it just me or did you purposely compare nice american cars to crap foreign cars to make it appear that american cars will win by a long shot???....civic? jetta?...HA!!!)

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Plus, realistically, how many people who don't own shops, or 100k worth of tools can do ALL their own work on an import?

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1994 Nissan 300ZX TT, 5 spd $22,995, cars.com
Upgrade the ECU, intake, exhaust, and clutch, 2k
Take the car up to over 400 hp with a sub 10 to 1 power to weight ratio and blow the doors off anything domestic, priceless!
Drag racing, for everything else there's import tuning!

That 9k left for sport turbo's which should be around 4k, 5k left for wastegates, intercoolers, piggy back fuel comps, upgrading injectors, and anything else you could ever want. I think even with just the intake, exhaust, comp and clutch upgrades putting out 400 hp they were pulling sub 5 sec 0-60 and i dont remember the quarter mile times. I will have to find the mag that I say the article in and update ya.

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It all depends on who you know and what hookups you've got though. Also depends on how good you are with cars, and which ones.

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I got a 85 Nissan 300ZX turbo 5spd for less then 4 grand back at the begging of the year. For $600 upgrade to a sport turbo, upgrade the ECU for $500(a matter of taking off the passenger side kick panel and unhooking a harness), bolt in intercooler kit $1300, 9-12 psi blow off valve, $99. Already did the exhaust from the cat back. Need a high flow racing cat installed still. For the $2500 worth of "bolt on" parts my car would go from 200 to over 400 horsepower and with the twist of a boost control knob go back to 200 horsepower for everyday driving. That the beauty of imports, daily driveability. At the line I could take my car from basic stock power of 200 to 400 with the adjustment of one knob. So if somebody wants a little drag from the line. Turn the boost up, when im done turn it back down from inside the car. Lets see ya do that with your carberated big blocks. It boils down to this. America muscle cars good for drag racing, imports good for drag racing and road racing. Straight lines are lame!

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the 0-60 times for the 400 hp Z32 300ZX TT were 5.2 seconds. No quarter mile times. Its in an article in Sport Z magazine.

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Just love the roar and feel of a v8.....
My friends v8 woul eat anything mentioned here, well if a 6 second quarter mile count?
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What exactly does your friend have for a v8? Because I checked the NHRA national records and the highest level "Competition" class listes E.T.'s from the mid 4's to the mid 7's at national records. So I could see your friend having a professional racing v8 funny car that could run 6 second quaters. However, if it were a modified true production v8 car, I would have to say your full of sh|t!

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Griz, replying to your mail cos' I just want it on the end of the list, so not directly to you, but the thread.

People - seriously - what is the fun in going in a straight line fast? Drag racing - sure - fun for a few runs, test of power and such, but there is little driving skill. Oh - sure, you need to balance the launch so you don't spin up too bad etc. but where's the fun unless you are going round corners?

Driving skill is about taking real life roads or simulations to the extreme. Take Indy v.s. F1 - what's interesting watching cars whizz round a ring? Whoopey do. Get some turns, hairpins, rises etc. in it. The same with the American 'muscle' cars. Sure, they are very powerful and way cheap, but they handle like a whale on a shopping cart and only go in one direction (the way they are already heading, straight or sideways).

European or Jap cars laugh in the face of their American counterparts. The reason American cars have such remarkably dismal overseas sales figure is that they are boring to drive, too big, too expensive to run and handle terribly.

Look at European roads. Narrow, curves, bends, dips, bumps etc. No opportunity for an American car to shine here. The Japanese and Germans rule the roads. The Italians put in a minority spirited representation with the Alfa Romeos and Renault/Peugot launch a great car once in a while.

Same in Japan, the only people driving American cars are penis envy Japanese business men and Yakuza in cream tint-windowed monsters. Not surprisingly 98% of cars are Japanese and in Tokyo possibly 2 or 3% of those have some sort of aftermarket modification done (large exhaust, alloys, tints, arches, suspension). Some of the cars are just awesome, road legal (sort of) Evo VI, Skyline, 300ZX/Fairlady Z, NSK, 180SX, Imprezza etc. Anyone who is anyone out here drive Mercedes (preferably AMG), Porsche, Ferrari or BMW if they are slumming it. Downwards from there are Audi, VW, Alfa Romeo etc.

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Finally somebody that understands. I dont know how many times I had said in this thread that any car can go fast in a straight line. It takes a real race car to take hairpins and tighter turns.

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Well, although the numbers are high. It's the relationship between the two that I am questioning. 700lb/ft of torque results in 500hp at 3752rpm. That is a common rpm to hit peak torque. But, torque would need to drop of very rapidly to keep hp from getting higher at higher rpms. He could be hitting peak torque at a lower rpm, then not have it fall off so fast to end up with only 500hp at a higher rpm. But, those numbers have a relationship that you generally see with Large displacement, low rpm engines. Or even more typically, diesel engines. Like I said, those numbers aren't impossible. But, turbocharged engines generally perform best at high rpm. The hp number is usually at least as high as the torque number. And usually, the more boost (which I'm assuming is very high in this case), the bigger the hp number gets in relationship to the torque number.

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A 2.8 turbo would need alot of tourque and turbo boost to make 500hp let alone do it at 3k revs range. I am only guessing that this kind of setup would be for racing like Porche, i still think 700ftlbs is high. Gee trying to think... Use to know this stuff so weell, ok not so well....

Only one engine I know that CAN do that, thats Porche sports/racing engine, rotary's dont even come close.

Newest replacement for the Porche 911 for the road has 450hp I think, cant remember the model designation.

Uhha has to be it..



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From what I just said, I will add Porche engines are weird beasts... But is it?



Go stick that in ya pipe and smoke it!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scotty3303 on 07/27/01 04:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Ok so you likesports racing,I love drag racing, gets into the blood/soul/life/everything.

Ever felt nitro power, - thunder through your chest?

If your close enough it will change your heart beat!



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