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September 2, 2011 2:39:16 PM

How about those "green" jobs, the ones that are supposed to be the great hope of our economy?

Three companies: Evergreen Solar (Mass.), Solyndra (CA), and SpectraWatt (Ore. and NY) filed for bankruptcy in August. About $600 million in 2009 stimulus funds went to the first two companies.

Looks more and more like Spain.

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September 2, 2011 2:58:36 PM

jsc said:
How about those "green" jobs, the ones that are supposed to be the great hope of our economy?

Three companies: Evergreen Solar (Mass.), Solyndra (CA), and SpectraWatt (Ore. and NY) filed for bankruptcy in August. About $600 million in 2009 stimulus funds went to the first two companies.

Looks more and more like Spain.


The jobs are supposed to come from maintaining power plants and research, not from manufacturing since Chinese subsidies for their own factories (coupled to slave labor) by far outweigh American subsidies. The Chinese are serious about going green (probably because their politicians can actually do math and are not homophobic creationists who've never seen a science classroom from the inside). They've already proven (remember the rare Earth elements market) they are willing to spend many billions in subsidies to secure strategic markets (like the US does with farm subsidies).
September 2, 2011 9:08:14 PM

No. The jobs were supposed to come from manufacturing and research. And because research jobs in this area are largely government subsidized, anyone doing research is indirectly on the government payroll. Plus research that does not eventually lead to domestic manufacturing is largely wasted.

The Chinese are serious about going green largely because they have proven foreign markets. And as far as the rare earth elements are concerned, the Chinese, as opposed to the rest of the world (U.S. included)., are willing to overlook the massive environmental damage that occurs in mining and purifying rare earth elements.

Google "chinese rare earth mining environmental damage"; lots of hits.
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September 2, 2011 9:58:27 PM

jsc said:
Plus research that does not eventually lead to domestic manufacturing is largely wasted.


No, it's a gift to humanity and all life on Earth, regardless of where the results will actually be applied. Other countries also pay for research and as the world's biggest (per capita) polluter the US owes the world.

jsc said:
The Chinese are serious about going green largely because they have proven foreign markets. And as far as the rare earth elements are concerned, the Chinese, as opposed to the rest of the world (U.S. included)., are willing to overlook the massive environmental damage that occurs in mining and purifying rare earth elements.

Google "chinese rare earth mining environmental damage"; lots of hits.


The markets have no preference for China or the US, only for the lowest price. China can provide this by subsidizing even more than the US. This shows that subsidies are not worthless, they are in fact crucial to secure a market (when the competition has been destroyed China ends the subsidies and starts making huge profits because they have a monopoly).

As to the pollution, not sure why this is relevant here and the majority of rare Earth elements ends up in Western (mostly American) electronics anyway, so forget about the moral highground.
September 2, 2011 10:24:08 PM

Gulli said:
The jobs are supposed to come from maintaining power plants and research, not from manufacturing since Chinese subsidies for their own factories (coupled to slave labor) by far outweigh American subsidies. The Chinese are serious about going green (probably because their politicians can actually do math and are not homophobic creationists who've never seen a science classroom from the inside). They've already proven (remember the rare Earth elements market) they are willing to spend many billions in subsidies to secure strategic markets (like the US does with farm subsidies).


I think China is trying to go "green" because in less time they have become more polluted than any other country. Hell the smog in San Francisco has been linked to pollution from China.

And its still interesting to see the companies go down. But not too suprising. Its a bad economy added into the fact that alternative energy sources are still expensive and not as efficient.
September 3, 2011 2:26:09 AM

Ever been there?
China is a cesspool
All hail China?
They dont allow people to have birth rights, no choice, so tough libbys, and dont even bother to ask, both men and women have no right to their bodies.
If as some say, the anti homophobic sexist leaders has determined no children is the answer
As to rare earth or anything else, so we also should look upon OPEC in the same regard, shouldnt we?
Same approach, Im sure libs feel this way as well
Yes, OPEC and what it brings is truly a gift to humanity, as Im sure, everyone needs to drive, or youre either a guilty hypocrite or riding a yak
September 3, 2011 5:38:36 AM
September 3, 2011 1:07:29 PM

If we hear a all we have to fear speech, followed by more keynesian spending, Obama is doomed
September 3, 2011 1:12:05 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Ever been there?
China is a cesspool
All hail China?
They dont allow people to have birth rights, no choice, so tough libbys, and dont even bother to ask, both men and women have no right to their bodies.
If as some say, the anti homophobic sexist leaders has determined no children is the answer
As to rare earth or anything else, so we also should look upon OPEC in the same regard, shouldnt we?
Same approach, Im sure libs feel this way as well
Yes, OPEC and what it brings is truly a gift to humanity, as Im sure, everyone needs to drive, or youre either a guilty hypocrite or riding a yak


Not sure what this rambling has to do with anything...
September 3, 2011 1:53:57 PM

Gulli said:
Not sure what this rambling has to do with anything...

Not surprised
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