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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 1:44:10 PM

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Hi,

I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
replacing.

As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.

My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
copy of XP contains a bad sector?

Hope someone will be able to help :) 

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:58:44 PM

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John

Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors.. it
just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other medium..

The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is zero,
most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will sell
you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..

Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows.. once
up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything you
might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP firewall is
running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
ant-virus and firewall programs..

Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to make up
for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest versions,
but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office suite..
it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from some..
http://www.openoffice.org/product/

Good luck..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User

"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept
it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland


"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l8qva1tqf5ire4fpisju9jhhga4f0mii4i@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
> replacing.
>
> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>
> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>
> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 7:43:59 PM

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"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l8qva1tqf5ire4fpisju9jhhga4f0mii4i@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
> replacing.
>
> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>
> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>
> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>
Not got winXP on disk John ?. Got no way of accessing that partition ?.
And I think you know the answer to `bad sectors` in hidden partition. If
it`s `duff` it`s definitely `duff`. ..J

> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 8:43:36 PM

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John Latter Wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
> replacing.
>
> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>
> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>
> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

You must have an OEM version of windows, in other words it was pre
installed and your only reinstall copy is on your hard drive. Correct?
Some times sectors can wear out and a fresh install can correct this
problem, it doesn't mean your hard drive is bad but precaution is good.
Back up anything important to disk or another hd, or whatever you
choose, this should be your first step.
2. Another thing is, yes, it is possible that the copy of windows is
corrupt. I have seen this many times and had to order the reinstall
disks from the company for people. I truly hate the copy being put on
the hd for reasons as your own. Try calling the manufacturer if
possible and ask about getting the reinstallation disks. Even when out
of warranty, not always, but sometimes they will still send the disks
if you tell them the copy is corrupt on the hd. This is a good idea
even if not corrupt, believe me.
3. The reinstall disks will work on another hd, usually, but not if you
replaced your motherboard. Just a bit of info there.
4. I have had some success in putting in an extra hd, and copying the
windows hidden to it but no guarantees. Have you tried to run any fix
utilities? Even windowsxp volume check?
5. There are many other steps that can be taken but try a few simple
things first.


--
PCDaddyPosted from http://www.pcreview.co.uk/ newsgroup access
June 16, 2005 1:27:30 AM

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To test the hard drive you need a free copy of the SeaTools CD from
http://seatools.seagatestorage.com/en
It might be worth asking Seagate if they can replace the drive under
warranty if the test shows that there is a defect. They currently offer a
five year warranty http://5yrwarranty.seagatestorage.com/ although this
might not apply to an OEM drive or drive sold two years ago etc.
"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l8qva1tqf5ire4fpisju9jhhga4f0mii4i@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
> replacing.
>
> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>
> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>
> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 2:39:58 AM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:43:59 GMT, "old jon"
<jonbrookes@nospamntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:l8qva1tqf5ire4fpisju9jhhga4f0mii4i@4ax.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
>> replacing.
>>
>> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
>> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
>> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>>
>> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
>> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
>> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
>> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>>
>> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>>
>Not got winXP on disk John ?. Got no way of accessing that partition ?.
>And I think you know the answer to `bad sectors` in hidden partition. If
>it`s `duff` it`s definitely `duff`. ..J

Nope, the XP is on the end of the HDD. Thought I might try copying the
hidden partition across to a new HDD first to try & avoid buying XP
again - I am so poor! :) 

>>
>> John Latter
>>
>> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
>> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>>
>> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
>

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 2:41:58 AM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:58:44 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>John
>
>Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors.. it
>just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other medium..
>
>The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is zero,
>most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
>technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will sell
>you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..
>
>Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows.. once
>up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything you
>might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
>instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP firewall is
>running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
>ant-virus and firewall programs..
>
>Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to make up
>for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
>http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest versions,
>but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office suite..
>it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from some..
>http://www.openoffice.org/product/
>
>Good luck..

Thanks for the info & advice Mike - Time didn't supply much in the way
of software so I'm already using quite a bit of free/open source stuff
- thanks for the link though!

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 2:41:59 AM

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John

I noticed that they were not giving too much away on their website..
cheapskates is what they are.. :-)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User

"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept
it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland


"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5281b1hq3j0c2fbjlq2c2q07ro5qnaiigv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:58:44 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
> <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>John
>>
>>Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors.. it
>>just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other medium..
>>
>>The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is
>>zero,
>>most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
>>technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will sell
>>you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..
>>
>>Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows.. once
>>up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything
>>you
>>might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
>>instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP firewall
>>is
>>running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
>>ant-virus and firewall programs..
>>
>>Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to make
>>up
>>for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
>>http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest versions,
>>but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office
>>suite..
>>it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from some..
>>http://www.openoffice.org/product/
>>
>>Good luck..
>
> Thanks for the info & advice Mike - Time didn't supply much in the way
> of software so I'm already using quite a bit of free/open source stuff
> - thanks for the link though!
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 2:44:38 AM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:27:30 +0100, "M" <spamtrap@spambouncer.org>
wrote:

>To test the hard drive you need a free copy of the SeaTools CD from
>http://seatools.seagatestorage.com/en
>It might be worth asking Seagate if they can replace the drive under
>warranty if the test shows that there is a defect. They currently offer a
>five year warranty http://5yrwarranty.seagatestorage.com/ although this
>might not apply to an OEM drive or drive sold two years ago etc.

I'm having trouble getting the SeaTools full check to run to
completion, although I am in touch with Seagate tech support about it.

Seatools quick test fails my HDD & Seagate say theit warranty doesn't
apply to OEM stuff.

Oh well - perhaps I'll win the lottery tonight! :) 

Jorolat

>"John Latter" <jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:l8qva1tqf5ire4fpisju9jhhga4f0mii4i@4ax.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
>> replacing.
>>
>> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
>> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
>> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>>
>> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
>> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
>> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
>> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>>
>> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Latter
>>
>> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
>> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>>
>> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
>

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 2:53:47 AM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:43:36 +0100, PCDaddy <PCDaddy.1qocsz@> wrote:

>
>John Latter Wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
>> replacing.
>>
>> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
>> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
>> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
>>
>> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get their
>> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
>> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
>> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
>>
>> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Latter
>>
>> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
>> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>>
>> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
>
>You must have an OEM version of windows, in other words it was pre
>installed and your only reinstall copy is on your hard drive. Correct?
>Some times sectors can wear out and a fresh install can correct this
>problem, it doesn't mean your hard drive is bad but precaution is good.
>Back up anything important to disk or another hd, or whatever you
>choose, this should be your first step.
>2. Another thing is, yes, it is possible that the copy of windows is
>corrupt. I have seen this many times and had to order the reinstall
>disks from the company for people. I truly hate the copy being put on
>the hd for reasons as your own. Try calling the manufacturer if
>possible and ask about getting the reinstallation disks. Even when out
>of warranty, not always, but sometimes they will still send the disks
>if you tell them the copy is corrupt on the hd. This is a good idea
>even if not corrupt, believe me.
>3. The reinstall disks will work on another hd, usually, but not if you
>replaced your motherboard. Just a bit of info there.
>4. I have had some success in putting in an extra hd, and copying the
>windows hidden to it but no guarantees. Have you tried to run any fix
>utilities? Even windowsxp volume check?
>5. There are many other steps that can be taken but try a few simple
>things first.

Thanks PCDaddy! I have been on to the nearest Time Computers outlet &
they've given me a head office number which I'll try as soon as I get
the chance.

Thought I might install a new HDD & try copying the XP stuff first (if
I can find the sectors) and only buy a new version of XP if I have to.

My current HDD is a 5200rpm 80GB Seagate - will I have any problems
installing a 7200rpm 120GB drive? (Seagate or otherwise).

Thanks again,

Jorolat

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 7:49:18 AM

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John Latter Wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:43:36 +0100, PCDaddy wrote:
>
> >
> >John Latter Wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a UK Time computer (bout 2 years old) and the hard disc needs
> >> replacing.
> >>
> >> As my copy of Windows Home XP is on the end of the hard drive, I was
> >> wondering if anyone can give me any advice (particularly if they've
> >> had experience) of installing a new drive & copying XP on to it.
> >>
> >> My current HDD is a Seagate one & I haven't yet been able to get
> their
> >> diagnostic software to give a full report. Bad sectors are being
> >> reported though & I was also wondering what happens if the 'hidden'
> >> copy of XP contains a bad sector?
> >>
> >> Hope someone will be able to help :) 
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> John Latter
> >>
> >> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension
> to
> >> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin
> Effect.
> >> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
> >>
> >> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
> >
> >You must have an OEM version of windows, in other words it was pre
> >installed and your only reinstall copy is on your hard drive. Correct?
> >Some times sectors can wear out and a fresh install can correct this
> >problem, it doesn't mean your hard drive is bad but precaution is
> good.
> >Back up anything important to disk or another hd, or whatever you
> >choose, this should be your first step.
> >2. Another thing is, yes, it is possible that the copy of windows is
> >corrupt. I have seen this many times and had to order the reinstall
> >disks from the company for people. I truly hate the copy being put on
> >the hd for reasons as your own. Try calling the manufacturer if
> >possible and ask about getting the reinstallation disks. Even when out
> >of warranty, not always, but sometimes they will still send the disks
> >if you tell them the copy is corrupt on the hd. This is a good idea
> >even if not corrupt, believe me.
> >3. The reinstall disks will work on another hd, usually, but not if
> you
> >replaced your motherboard. Just a bit of info there.
> >4. I have had some success in putting in an extra hd, and copying the
> >windows hidden to it but no guarantees. Have you tried to run any fix
> >utilities? Even windowsxp volume check?
> >5. There are many other steps that can be taken but try a few simple
> >things first.
>
> Thanks PCDaddy! I have been on to the nearest Time Computers outlet &
> they've given me a head office number which I'll try as soon as I get
> the chance.
>
> Thought I might install a new HDD & try copying the XP stuff first (if
> I can find the sectors) and only buy a new version of XP if I have to.
>
> My current HDD is a 5200rpm 80GB Seagate - will I have any problems
> installing a 7200rpm 120GB drive? (Seagate or otherwise).
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Jorolat
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to
> homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
you are welcome,
Off the top of my head, no, you "in theory" shouldn't have any
problems. 7200 is pretty standard and "in theory" once again, and 120
gig should get recognized. I'd be a liar if I said I had much
experience with UK time pc. Many times, when you buy a hd from someone
they can look up the specs for your pc and let you know if it will work
or not. It won't hurt to ask before purchasing. Hope all goes well. :) 


--
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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 12:23:22 PM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:26:07 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>John
>
>I noticed that they were not giving too much away on their website..
>cheapskates is what they are.. :-)

They certainly are! Any technical query is at £1 per minute too -
though I must admit that this is the very first time I've had a
problem with my system (3 yrs old in july)

John

ps I like your quote :) 

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 2:46:01 AM

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:32:49 +0100, PCDaddy <PCDaddy.1qq44y@> wrote:


>You have a restore disk that uses the hidden info on the hard drive??
>Well, we learn something new every day. Perhaps the restore disk will
>put this hidden info on the hard drive? This would make more sense to
>me. I would not erase your old hd, install the new one only. Don't
>connect the old one at all. After you get set up, run the restore disk
>and see if it reinstalls win for you first on the new hd.

I've just checked & its actually called a "Reload/Backup" disc which
came with another CD labelled "System & Driver CD".

As far as I understand it, the Reload/Backup CD accesses the preloaded
XP files on the HDD rather than writes them there. Course, I certainly
could be wrong!

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 2:50:27 AM

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:18:47 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>John
>
>To get the best answers to a problem, it is a good idea to put all facts
>down in one post than gradually over a series of threads.. too many
>assumptions have to be made if there are few things to go on..

I apologize for that Mike & I did become aware of it while writing my
last but one post to PcDaddy.

The only excuse I have is that when I began I didn't know anything
beyond "There's a problem on my HDD".

Its only because of the replies I've received from helpful people like
yourself that I've been able to learn as I go along.

Next time I'll be better able to express all the parameters of the
problem - I'm sorry you've been part of my learning curve but I do
very much appreciate the help you've given.

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 8:32:56 AM

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John

Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors..
it
just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other
medium..

No it won't actually repair them, but a lot of times, you may not get
bad sectors for a long period of time and the hd is usable and the
basic problem is patched\fixed\ignored. I have a 6 year old maxtor 80
gig that had this problem twice and it still runs like a charm. I
simply back my data , which should be done anyway.

The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is
zero,
most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will
sell
you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..



There is a three year extended warranty and you get charged according
to your policy when you bought the pc. If the op has his, he might
still be under warranty and might get free calls.

Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows..
once
up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything
you
might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP
firewall is
running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
ant-virus and firewall programs..

Fit the new one? That might be jumping the gun a bit, the op doesn't
even know what to get yet. The op doesn't know if he can install
windows..eg, hidden windows files, try to copy to another hard drive.

Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to
make up
for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest
versions,
but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office
suite..
it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from
some..
http://www.openoffice.org/product/

Good solid programs as long as you agree for them to send your info to
other places and send you junk mail. If you don't mind that then yes.

Good luck..


--
Mike Hall


--
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Anonymous
June 17, 2005 8:32:57 AM

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PCDaddy

Win 9x/ME could cope with bad sectors.. XP is not so forgiving.. more bad
sectors will appear eventually, and the system will become more unstable.. I
can't see the point in waiting for the inevitable, regardless of backup
policy..

Time Computers do offer a three year extended warranty with new purchases,
but I doubt very much that it covers old recovery CDs and certainly will NOT
include free calls to Technical Support.. I suggested to John that he calls
into one of their salesrooms for confirmation..

Re replacing drives.. you go to a store and buy one according to your needs
and means.. if the store can supply an OEM XP CD with the purchase of
hardware, that gets over the problem of trying to move the contents of a
hidden partition to a similar partition on a new drive.. if means will
stretch to a full retail XP, all the better as it would be easily
transferable from one computer to another in the future..

As far as I know, Serif's policy of allowing older versions to be downloaded
freely is a marketing ploy to get the user to upgrade to latest versions
once having seen how good the product is.. that does not take anything away
from the free programs.. I have not received e-mail from any company as a
result of downloading free programs from Serif.. I have never had need to
download OpenOffice, but have never heard of any unsolicited mail arriving
due to downloading it..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User

"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept
it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland


"PCDaddy" <PCDaddy.1qr48y@> wrote in message
news:3rGdnWr4Ha3t2S_fRVn_vg@giganews.com...
>
> John
>
> Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors..
> it
> just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other
> medium..
>
> No it won't actually repair them, but a lot of times, you may not get
> bad sectors for a long period of time and the hd is usable and the
> basic problem is patched\fixed\ignored. I have a 6 year old maxtor 80
> gig that had this problem twice and it still runs like a charm. I
> simply back my data , which should be done anyway.
>
> The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is
> zero,
> most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
> technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will
> sell
> you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..
>
>
>
> There is a three year extended warranty and you get charged according
> to your policy when you bought the pc. If the op has his, he might
> still be under warranty and might get free calls.
>
> Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows..
> once
> up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything
> you
> might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
> instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP
> firewall is
> running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
> ant-virus and firewall programs..
>
> Fit the new one? That might be jumping the gun a bit, the op doesn't
> even know what to get yet. The op doesn't know if he can install
> windows..eg, hidden windows files, try to copy to another hard drive.
>
> Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to
> make up
> for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
> http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest
> versions,
> but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office
> suite..
> it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from
> some..
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/
>
> Good solid programs as long as you agree for them to send your info to
> other places and send you junk mail. If you don't mind that then yes.
>
> Good luck..
>
>
> --
> Mike Hall
>
>
> --
> PCDaddyPosted from http://www.pcreview.co.uk/ newsgroup access
>
Anonymous
June 18, 2005 10:31:20 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware (More info?)

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:49:33 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>PCDaddy
>
>Win 9x/ME could cope with bad sectors.. XP is not so forgiving.. more bad
>sectors will appear eventually, and the system will become more unstable.. I
>can't see the point in waiting for the inevitable, regardless of backup
>policy..
>
>Time Computers do offer a three year extended warranty with new purchases,
>but I doubt very much that it covers old recovery CDs and certainly will NOT
>include free calls to Technical Support.. I suggested to John that he calls
>into one of their salesrooms for confirmation..
>
>Re replacing drives.. you go to a store and buy one according to your needs
>and means.. if the store can supply an OEM XP CD with the purchase of
>hardware, that gets over the problem of trying to move the contents of a
>hidden partition to a similar partition on a new drive.. if means will
>stretch to a full retail XP, all the better as it would be easily
>transferable from one computer to another in the future..
>

Thanks Mike, from what I've read elsewhere Microsoft UK may be quite
sympathetic & allow me to borrow a copy of XP Home - I'm going to call
them on monday

John

>As far as I know, Serif's policy of allowing older versions to be downloaded
>freely is a marketing ploy to get the user to upgrade to latest versions
>once having seen how good the product is.. that does not take anything away
>from the free programs.. I have not received e-mail from any company as a
>result of downloading free programs from Serif.. I have never had need to
>download OpenOffice, but have never heard of any unsolicited mail arriving
>due to downloading it..

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
Anonymous
June 18, 2005 11:40:44 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware (More info?)

Thankyou for the advice PCDaddy - its very much appreciated :) 

I won't be able to do anything until next week at the very earliest
but I'll probably be screaming out for help if things go wrong!

John

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:32:56 +0100, PCDaddy <PCDaddy.1qr48y@> wrote:

>
>John
>
>Replace the hdd asap.. re-installing Windows will not fix bad sectors..
>it
>just avoids them.. save all important data to CD or some other
>medium..
>
>No it won't actually repair them, but a lot of times, you may not get
>bad sectors for a long period of time and the hd is usable and the
>basic problem is patched\fixed\ignored. I have a 6 year old maxtor 80
>gig that had this problem twice and it still runs like a charm. I
>simply back my data , which should be done anyway.
>
>The chances of Time Computers having recovery CDs for your computer is
>zero,
>most likely.. if you can, go to one of their stores, as calling the
>technical support is expensive.. if you can, find a supplier who will
>sell
>you a new hard drive and OEM Windows XP SP2 CD..
>
>
>
>There is a three year extended warranty and you get charged according
>to your policy when you bought the pc. If the op has his, he might
>still be under warranty and might get free calls.
>
>Disconnect the present drive, and fit the new one.. install Windows..
>once
>up and running, reconnect the old drive as a slave and recover anything
>you
>might have missed when you saved stuff.. email and address book for
>instance.. before connecting to the internet, ensure that the XP
>firewall is
>running, then connect and do the updates to Windows and your preferred
>ant-virus and firewall programs..
>
>Fit the new one? That might be jumping the gun a bit, the op doesn't
>even know what to get yet. The op doesn't know if he can install
>windows..eg, hidden windows files, try to copy to another hard drive.
>
>Unless Time supplied bundled software on CD, you will lose that.. to
>make up
>for it, Serif offer some great free downloads at
>http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ .. they may not be the latest
>versions,
>but they are all good solid programs.. Open Office is a free office
>suite..
>it is not exactly MS Office 2003, but gets good enough reviews from
>some..
>http://www.openoffice.org/product/
>
>Good solid programs as long as you agree for them to send your info to
>other places and send you junk mail. If you don't mind that then yes.
>
>Good luck..
>
>
>--
>Mike Hall

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech
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