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July 7, 2005 6:01:19 PM

For the projected "release date" of July 26?



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July 7, 2005 6:05:15 PM

I sure hope it will be a real lauch, mirroring Nvidia's 7800GTX launch.

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July 7, 2005 6:07:08 PM

Yes, then I could actually get one.

I remember when I posted the in late May the projected release date of the GTX7800 on June 21, everyone said "that's bull".

MH seems to get their dates right...so yeah, let's hope it's a real launch. I hear it's supposed to pwn the 7800.


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July 7, 2005 6:32:06 PM

It won't be a real launch, it's paper launch, you won't see them hitting retail shelves for at least 2 months after paper launch.
July 7, 2005 6:37:40 PM

thats of course if u don't have connections ;D

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July 7, 2005 6:39:00 PM

i only have connection to distributors, when they get them i get them:D  Of course i have no insiders connections.
July 7, 2005 8:50:26 PM

ahhh, its good to have friends in high places ;D

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July 7, 2005 9:04:57 PM

Well we could use a "high place" person to start blabbering away. I'm beyond ready for some real info on R520. B3D forums are getting me nervous, as a few people are now speculating that R520 is only a 600+ MHz core 16-pipe chip!? Anyway, 16, 24, 32...how many pipes will it have? That's your assignment for tonight; find out the truth. :tongue:


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July 7, 2005 11:18:36 PM

Is this for the R520? I don't think its coming out then, more Aug/Sep time. I don't think they'll paper launch otherwise they would have done it the week after the Geforce 7800 came out.

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July 8, 2005 12:42:45 AM

*sigh*.... friend's dad... i'm only a sophomore in highschool(next year ;D)... but i will have dibs on the r520 after paper launch, my friend's dad has his mouth shut, so no info for us =[

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July 8, 2005 4:16:56 AM

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It won't be a real launch, it's paper launch, you won't see them hitting retail shelves for at least 2 months after paper launch.

Didn't ATi say they weren't going to paper launch (because of the GF7800GTX launch) and that they were changing the launch date to August to allow that?

I don't think it will be a paper launch, but I think like nV it won't be a true 'available at launch' either. If they want to match the GF7800GTX launch they will get them to e-tailers, and forget about retailers, so like you say, expect them on retail shelves 2 monts later. I don't consider that revolutionary, but it's still better than last generation.

Now ther questions is whether it's even possible to do that depending on yields. Either way nothing before August.


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July 8, 2005 4:33:03 AM

Last generation was horrible, we NEVER saw X800XT in quantities, 'til well a couple months ago.
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July 8, 2005 5:05:52 AM

Same with the GF6800GT/Ultra in PCIe garb (I never saw an Ultra at all in e-/retail here).

I hope this is a move back towards actually shipping gear and not getting price-gouged.


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July 8, 2005 5:12:29 AM

Yeah for a while up here X800XT was costing upwards 1000 dollars, well so did 6800ultras. that's just insane.
July 8, 2005 5:31:40 AM

True but there were alot of 6800GT's in AGP and they sold well. Hopefully ATI has a good launch.
July 8, 2005 5:41:07 AM

I sure hope ATI makes that launch soon, and have mass quantities hit retails, because whenever 1 company dominates, it's bad for consumers due to the lack of competition.

Now I even hope Intel stop licking horseballs, if they had created a dual core chip that's semi-competitive that would've forced AMD to come out with 250 dollars dual core chips, but since the D820 drains 200+ watts of power, and just simply sucks all around, AMD's not going to bother lowering prices of dual core chips.
July 8, 2005 3:14:59 PM

I don't think ATI can afford to paper launch at this point, after the gauntlet has been thrown down with the 7800.

My money's on them being available at launch.

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July 8, 2005 4:02:35 PM

I agree, I think that's why they'll be delaying the launch until August.


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July 8, 2005 9:33:48 PM

I think they'll be out in Sept atleast my crystal ball says so. :) 
July 8, 2005 10:43:58 PM

I agree that the launch of the R520 won't be any time before September; not widespread availability, atleast. I believe a "paper launch" will go live sometime in mid-late August, with *hopefully* availability by mid September. ATI could just skip the paper launch, though, to prevent themselves from looking bad, since nVidia was able to provide the actual 7800 GTX cards the day they announced it.

Will the R520 be 16, 24, or 32 pipes?
Well, Digitimes reported that three cards will be released Q3 (discussed above), and then a later one - a faster one - will release in early 2006. The big question is if the high-end of the released cards in Q3 will be 32 pipes, and the card to be released in early 2006 to also 32 pipes, but just faster clock speeds.
*Or* will the high-end card to be relased Q3 only be 24 pipelines, and the faster one to be released in early 2006 the 32 piped one.

Personally, I really think it would be in ATI's best interest to release the 32 pipe card with the R520 launch in Q3, and the card to be released in early 2006 (the R580, I believe) to be the same pipes with just faster speeds. Or else, what's really going to be exciting about the R520 release if the high-end one is just 24 pipes. nVidia has already accomplished that. So for ATI to stay ahead of the game, I believe it would be vital for them to release the 32 pipe card version. But my assumptions are telling me otherwise.

On the other hand, let's say ATI did merely release just a 24 pipe card. Well then to stay ahead of the game, as nVidia has been doing these past few weeks, I believe they would launch their 32 piped card (assuming they have one), to continue their gain in the high-end cards. So maybe there is a chance we can see a 32 piped card this Q3...let's all hope.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2005 1:04:32 AM

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I believe a "paper launch" will go live sometime in mid-late August, with *hopefully* availability by mid September.


Like I mentioned switch of release to 'late summer' to avoid paper launch due to nV's actions with the GF7800GTX, I've read that this means end of August, but of course <A HREF="http://www.beyond3d.com/#news24523" target="_new">Wavey Dave says</A> that's September.

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ATI could just skip the paper launch, though, to prevent themselves from looking bad, since nVidia was able to provide the actual 7800 GTX cards the day they announced it.

Still not available in retail. nVidia's was a partial 'available' at launch, mainly to e-tailers, even Dell doesn't have them as an option from their site, let alone BestBuy, et al. It's better than we have had in a long time, but it's not the widely available we had long before the graphics war started heating up again. If ATi sticks to a similar policy it'd be alot easier to have cards at launch than to have Dell gobble up half of them, but I'm sure some of it will depend on how profitable that would be.

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Or else, what's really going to be exciting about the R520 release if the high-end one is just 24 pipes.

I agree, to make up sales ground they need a killer cars, but while not exciting they could unfortunately shift alot of (IMO not enough of) momentum by releasing a core/card clocked 100+ mhz faster with faster memory). At this point however it makes little sense to not try an move those 32 pipe cards to cover the cost of all those respins. Stockpiling them, when the R580 will be another design, makes little sense IMO. The only advantage they could exploit now would be cheap volume yields. If they can produce a 32pipe 90nm chip at near the price of the 110nm G70, and sell it at a similar price (maybe +$50) then that creates a huge void, like the GF6800GT and GF6600GT did at their launch, then add a cheaper castoff 24pipe or slower 32 pipe cards, and you have more potential. Of course all of this is suposition and conjecture at this point, but really releasing a 'just barely better than you card won't get the interest of buyers since nV will have a mature product and WILL undercut any production cost savings just based on the momentum from this G70 generation, and that's not to include slightly overclocking the G70 so that a 'just better' product isn't as impressive and would IMO just garner enough sales to say that they are still in the marketplace, not enough to bring desktop presence back to a point where they will ship anywhere near the same volume in a 12month period after launch. 2-3months unopposed needs something more than a 24 pipe 500-600mhz card to have any hope (even if they were to cost 90% of the competition's part to produce) IMO.

There's no point in spending millions more to refine and increase the yields on a 32pipe chip when you could've brought a 24pipe R530/RV530 style card as a 'just now' to allow for the perfection of a more finicky shocase/premiere part.

We'll see, but at this late in the game I'd be very surprise to see the same old 24 pipe card from them to compete. Something along a 24+8/8 card would at least have some 'special enough' attraction to allow for some shift, but I don't think even that will be enough to reverse the flow of supplier/design wins IMO.


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July 9, 2005 1:37:26 AM

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Still not available in retail. nVidia's was a partial 'available' at launch, mainly to e-tailers, even Dell doesn't have them as an option from their site, let alone BestBuy, et al. It's better than we have had in a long time, but it's not the widely available we had long before the graphics war started heating up again.

Well GGP I must strongly disagree with you there, Nvidia had the refrence design to the 3rd party card makers in taiwan well in advance. Two day before the launch of the card, distributors already had thousands of EVGA/XFX/Leadtek, BFG cards are always short in Canada. Nvidia's 7800GTX was widely available at launch, I don't know why you need Dell to have that option before you'll consider it a full availability, who gives a f*ck about Dell's high end? If all the computer retailers in Vancouver got it, to me that's considered good quantity.
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July 9, 2005 5:13:08 AM

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If all the computer retailers in Vancouver got it, to me that's considered good quantity.

Right NCIX getting 10 of them is HUGE! Like most other locations I initially saw it at most of those early shipments are gone, and now they are selling the next 10 from other suppliers. BFG? Nope. eVGA? Nope. Leadtek? Nope. They did get some XFX and Asus, but they are 'limited stock'. It's just in time delivery, not wide availability. Same story out East.

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Nvidia's 7800GTX was widely available at launch, I don't know why you need Dell to have that option before you'll consider it a full availability, who gives a f*ck about Dell's high end?

Because, for all our talk of lack of last generation cards, Dell seemed to be able to get a bunch, and usually before anyone else.

As for BestBuy and the others, like I said still not available to retailers that would want guaranteed shipments in large quantity. BB says <A HREF="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7275986&t..." target="_new">Coming Soon</A>, and that's what I expect from the GT, the R520, and most near term cards because it gives the impression of wide availability, despite the limitations. Last generation too many cards got held up trying to get to the big distributors leaving most everyone else out of stock.

If you call this widely available, then what do you call the availability of CPUs, HDs, SoundsCards, and just about every other computer part that you can find pretty much anywhere? That's widely available in my view; what the GF7800GTX is is much more available than last generation.

Of course you're in a better position to know the kind of volume you can order at a moment's notice.


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July 9, 2005 5:14:25 AM

Plus anyone that's willing to buy a card that expensive they're likely to order it from the internet. If it had been in stores like CC or BB the same day it would've been about $50 bucks more there. Prices on the 7800GTX have already come down a little so they're available and not gouging people.
July 9, 2005 5:46:01 AM

Right now there are over 300 XFX, EVGA seems to be temporarily dried up, the Leadtek there are over 400, BFG's dried up. Remember GGA, Look at the US's retailers, they got tons in stock. Canada really isn't considered important in the eyes of Manufactures, there are much more rich b@stards in the states.
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July 9, 2005 5:50:14 AM

Actually, BB, CompUSA, CC are the ones who don't gouge. They just charge the full list price. Not many places had the 7800GTX below $599 on day one. so the big retailers would have been priced right on if they had the cards. My local BB, CC, and CompUSA have not had any 7800GTX's yet in the stores though. There is a local small shop who has the BFG's for under $599 though if I were looking for one. But yeah, Online with no sales tax is a better way to go on these big-bucks cards.


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July 9, 2005 6:11:43 AM

BTW GGA, to take the numbers i've mentioned into context, those has to go around the country, so they've got about 800 total right now, on monday they ship out to how many retailers who wants it? like a good 80 at least? smaller ones get 1 or 2, bigger ones maybe get 20. That definently isn't enough, but there is stock. There's a constant supply of these high end this time coming out of sweatshops, so not to worry. Then again IMO, if the major retailers like ncix get 30-40 of these, it's enough, i don't know how many people buys 750+ dollars video cards.
July 9, 2005 6:20:24 AM

Yes you're right it is kinda weird how the fact, FS/CS/BB doesn't have stock, yet small computer stores, one that's about 5min walk from where i live, have stock of 2 Leadtek 7800GTX(outrageously priced at 879).
July 9, 2005 8:42:46 PM

You wanna know a way to get a BFG 7800GTX for $534.36 shipped?

It's from Dell...lol.

A nice little coupon code gets it down from $620 (before tax and shipping) down to 534.36

I just checked and its still good.

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July 9, 2005 8:47:23 PM

btw i have tax for me here in WA, but for some states you might not have tax and it could be $491 shipped.

Sorry, i spaced it.

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a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2005 9:25:50 PM

I think the strategy is a wise one, but just people shouldn't confuse it with them being widely available eveywhere. The important thing is they are basically available to most people who want them, and that's a good thing. Ignoring the BestBuy's and such is ok as long as there is no gouging, and sofar the prices seem pretty good, even up herethey are 'ok', even if they have gone up about $30-50 since launch prices were first posted.


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July 10, 2005 12:49:03 AM

Not yet you don't. :smile:
July 10, 2005 12:51:17 AM

1200MHz core with 40 pipes. Release date Aug 10 2005
July 10, 2005 12:53:00 AM

Ya for a vid card that launched last July. :frown:
July 10, 2005 1:00:02 AM

Funny if you think about it, so many of us would be banned on a closely moderated site. i'd probably be banned for swearing so much, same goes to quite a few other people. And you for double/triple posting.
July 10, 2005 3:58:16 AM

i hope ur kidding, and ashamed of urself on that 1200mhz crap =]

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July 10, 2005 4:08:13 AM

LOL, dude the stuff said here doesn't even rival what goes on in the OTHER forum.

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July 10, 2005 5:37:06 AM

<A HREF="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/PaulDH-7800gtx.jpg" target="_new">That seems to work for me too</A>. $491 for a BFG 7800GTX through Dell Home. Dell home never used to have NJ tax, only Business. But now home charges NJ tax also. Still a Great deal if only I needed a high end PCI-e card now.


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July 10, 2005 5:37:41 PM

Have to get my post counts up.
July 10, 2005 5:40:13 PM

Na just bringing a little ole humor to the forum.
July 10, 2005 5:41:31 PM

Better price. But still not $199.
July 10, 2005 8:16:36 PM

Are those coupons even legitimate to anyone who uses them? I notice this rebate is called Dell Home Customers.

Just wonderin' if they ever have a specific target audience who can use them and if they check for that eligibility.

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July 10, 2005 9:15:51 PM

They have one time use coupons.
They have Dell home, Small buisness, and a couple other specific ones

They dont really double check for everything and usually you can stack 1 $off and 1 %off. Someone in the [H] forums was talking about stacking this deal with a 20% off coupon and he got it down to $380 before tax.

And for that price its the best bang for your buck out there, and its a rediculously fast card.

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a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2005 11:09:29 PM

There is no problem getting the instant discount and adding that coupon code. If it takes online, you'll get that price. Often i enter the coupon codes, click apply and cross my fingers to see if it will stack them. If I had submitted that order, it would have been mine for $491 + tax = $520. <A HREF="http://www.Techbargains.com" target="_new">http://www.Techbargains.com&lt;/A> is a great place for getting Dell coupons. Ends up being a good place to buy CRT's and LCD's too at times.

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July 11, 2005 2:14:06 AM

he guy said he had to call dell to order it over the phone because online wouldn't take his 20% off coupon.
He said 380-390 or something before tax.
Thats insane.

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July 11, 2005 4:09:22 AM

Yeah I'd actually buy it and sell my card off Ebay and STILL make some good profit! :lol: 

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