Didn't ATi say they weren't going to paper launch (because of the GF7800GTX launch) and that they were changing the launch date to August to allow that?It won't be a real launch, it's paper launch, you won't see them hitting retail shelves for at least 2 months after paper launch.
I believe a "paper launch" will go live sometime in mid-late August, with *hopefully* availability by mid September.
Still not available in retail. nVidia's was a partial 'available' at launch, mainly to e-tailers, even Dell doesn't have them as an option from their site, let alone BestBuy, et al. It's better than we have had in a long time, but it's not the widely available we had long before the graphics war started heating up again. If ATi sticks to a similar policy it'd be alot easier to have cards at launch than to have Dell gobble up half of them, but I'm sure some of it will depend on how profitable that would be.ATI could just skip the paper launch, though, to prevent themselves from looking bad, since nVidia was able to provide the actual 7800 GTX cards the day they announced it.
I agree, to make up sales ground they need a killer cars, but while not exciting they could unfortunately shift alot of (IMO not enough of) momentum by releasing a core/card clocked 100+ mhz faster with faster memory). At this point however it makes little sense to not try an move those 32 pipe cards to cover the cost of all those respins. Stockpiling them, when the R580 will be another design, makes little sense IMO. The only advantage they could exploit now would be cheap volume yields. If they can produce a 32pipe 90nm chip at near the price of the 110nm G70, and sell it at a similar price (maybe +$50) then that creates a huge void, like the GF6800GT and GF6600GT did at their launch, then add a cheaper castoff 24pipe or slower 32 pipe cards, and you have more potential. Of course all of this is suposition and conjecture at this point, but really releasing a 'just barely better than you card won't get the interest of buyers since nV will have a mature product and WILL undercut any production cost savings just based on the momentum from this G70 generation, and that's not to include slightly overclocking the G70 so that a 'just better' product isn't as impressive and would IMO just garner enough sales to say that they are still in the marketplace, not enough to bring desktop presence back to a point where they will ship anywhere near the same volume in a 12month period after launch. 2-3months unopposed needs something more than a 24 pipe 500-600mhz card to have any hope (even if they were to cost 90% of the competition's part to produce) IMO.Or else, what's really going to be exciting about the R520 release if the high-end one is just 24 pipes.
Well GGP I must strongly disagree with you there, Nvidia had the refrence design to the 3rd party card makers in taiwan well in advance. Two day before the launch of the card, distributors already had thousands of EVGA/XFX/Leadtek, BFG cards are always short in Canada. Nvidia's 7800GTX was widely available at launch, I don't know why you need Dell to have that option before you'll consider it a full availability, who gives a f*ck about Dell's high end? If all the computer retailers in Vancouver got it, to me that's considered good quantity.Still not available in retail. nVidia's was a partial 'available' at launch, mainly to e-tailers, even Dell doesn't have them as an option from their site, let alone BestBuy, et al. It's better than we have had in a long time, but it's not the widely available we had long before the graphics war started heating up again.
Right NCIX getting 10 of them is HUGE! Like most other locations I initially saw it at most of those early shipments are gone, and now they are selling the next 10 from other suppliers. BFG? Nope. eVGA? Nope. Leadtek? Nope. They did get some XFX and Asus, but they are 'limited stock'. It's just in time delivery, not wide availability. Same story out East.If all the computer retailers in Vancouver got it, to me that's considered good quantity.
Because, for all our talk of lack of last generation cards, Dell seemed to be able to get a bunch, and usually before anyone else.Nvidia's 7800GTX was widely available at launch, I don't know why you need Dell to have that option before you'll consider it a full availability, who gives a f*ck about Dell's high end?