Ottawa: Fido -> CAN 72

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So I pickup my phone (pre-paid) this morning to make a call and instead of
"Fido" it says "CAN 72"! I can still make calls no problem. Does this mean
that I can now use Roger's network too? Did it pick a Roger's tower because
it has a stronger signal? Or has the name simply changed?

I read on www.fido.ca that post-paid plans can add Rogers for 5$ per month -
but it doesn't say anything about pre-paid.

--
Dominic Richens | dominic@alumni.uottawa.ca
"If you're not *outraged*, you're not paying attention!"

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Called Fido and got someone who was much more knowledgeable than before.

They are doing this city by city with the largest cities dones last.
Expect to be done nationwide by October. The guy told me that they are
told when each city is being done (usally done during a weekend) and
that cutsomers should have no problems getting this information.

I heard Otytawa, Québec and Sherbrooke done already. (Not sure if any
out west would have been done too).

They are essentially shutting down the Fido network and putting the
capacity on the Rogers towers. But in some cases, they may keep the Fido
tower (but have it broadcast Rogers channels). This is why the largest
cities are to be done last since they are far more complex projects.

They have not yet begun to issue SIMs with the rogers network ID as
"home" network.

Phones that have disabled roming onto rogers will not get any service in
cities that have already switched. For instance, if I went to Ottawa
today, my phone would not get any service and I would have to enable
Rogers roaming. (which means that I lose the logo picture :-( :-( ;-(

What this means is that Rogers have added software to their network to
decide if a Fido customer is to be allowed on a tower by tower basis. If
I don't pay the $5.00 fee, then I am only allowed service on towers
setup within the orginal Fido footprint and if I try to connect via a
tower outside Fido's footprint, I am toast.

Steve Punter had allways complained about Rogers bad sound quality and
bad echo cancellers. I wonder if we will get a taste of this now that
we're onto Rogers's network.

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From what I recall;
Sherbrooke was "done" at least a month ago

pmb

"Chris_Cdn" <forex73@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
> news:1110054478.b015eb17b0528fefc6541f93df4bda22@teranews...
> > Called Fido and got someone who was much more knowledgeable than before.
> >
> > They are doing this city by city with the largest cities dones last.
> > Expect to be done nationwide by October. The guy told me that they are
> > told when each city is being done (usally done during a weekend) and
> > that cutsomers should have no problems getting this information.
> >
> > I heard Otytawa, Québec and Sherbrooke done already. (Not sure if any
> > out west would have been done too).
> >
> > They are essentially shutting down the Fido network and putting the
> > capacity on the Rogers towers. But in some cases, they may keep the Fido
> > tower (but have it broadcast Rogers channels). This is why the largest
> > cities are to be done last since they are far more complex projects.
> >
> > They have not yet begun to issue SIMs with the rogers network ID as
> > "home" network.
> >
> > Phones that have disabled roming onto rogers will not get any service in
> > cities that have already switched. For instance, if I went to Ottawa
> > today, my phone would not get any service and I would have to enable
> > Rogers roaming. (which means that I lose the logo picture :-( :-( ;-(
> >
> > What this means is that Rogers have added software to their network to
> > decide if a Fido customer is to be allowed on a tower by tower basis. If
> > I don't pay the $5.00 fee, then I am only allowed service on towers
> > setup within the orginal Fido footprint and if I try to connect via a
> > tower outside Fido's footprint, I am toast.
> >
> > Steve Punter had allways complained about Rogers bad sound quality and
> > bad echo cancellers. I wonder if we will get a taste of this now that
> > we're onto Rogers's network.
>
> This must be why the Fido Vtech A700 will no longer work after the change.
>
>

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"Dominic Richens" <knob@storm.ca> a écrit dans le message de
newspGdnbERo5bFL7HfRVn-3g@storm.ca...
> "Dominic Richens" <knob@storm.ca> wrote in message
> news:u5Wdnfuuj6wiTLTfRVn-tg@storm.ca...
> > So I pickup my phone (pre-paid) this morning to make a call and instead
of
> > "Fido" it says "CAN 72"! I can still make calls no problem. Does this
> mean
> > that I can now use Roger's network too? Did it pick a Roger's tower
> because
> > it has a stronger signal? Or has the name simply changed?
>
> Interesting - I'm at work (near Kanata) and my phone says "Fido" now.
Home
> is near Bank and Heron.
> --
> Dominic Richens | dominic@alumni.uottawa.ca

I'm in Gatineau (near Ottawa) and the network ID since this morning is
"Rogers"... and I'm not paying the $5 for the extra coverage : What's going
on ?

Mux!

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Mux wrote:

> I'm in Gatineau (near Ottawa) and the network ID since this morning is
> "Rogers"... and I'm not paying the $5 for the extra coverage : What's going
> on ?

The Microcell network in your area has been shutdown.

You are now roaming on Rogers for free in any area previously covered by
Fido, but when you try to use your phone outside of original Fido
coverage, your call will no go through unless you pay the $5.00

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malingerer@gmail.com wrote:
> There is no shutdown of the Microcell network, it has been assimulated into
> the Rogers network.

If no more towers provide channels on Microcell's network ID, then the
network has been shutdown in that area.

It is good that Rogers is taking the time to evaluate areas and keep
some microcell sites to plug holes and provide coverage in areas where
Rogers didn't have coverage before. In the end, the Rogers network will
be improved.

The question becomes: in areas where Microcell,s coverage was only
marginally better, will they give their own towers priority and ditch
the microcell towers, or will they be totally neutral on what towers to
keep ?

In takeovers, it is always a problem that the bigger company tends to
keep its own infrastrcuture and ditch the infrastructure of the company
that has been bought, UNLESS there are compelling arguments to keep the
new company's stuff. (this includes staff as well).

Also, it looks like CSRs are being trained on Rogers's systems right
now. So within a few months, it looks like the integration will proceed.
They may still answer "Fido" when they pickup the phone, but they would
be running on Roger,s infrastructure, billing etc etc.

Eventually, Fido will be to Rogers what Compaq is to HP. Just a buzzword
and label on products.

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But the "fido" network is no longer there, just some Fido towers have been
taken over by Rogers.
I say this because FIDO features like 7-digit dialling and 611 (without a
'*') no longer work.

In effect, it looks like the old microcell radio access network is still
there, but it's connected to a Rogers MSC.

It would have been nice if "Fido Solutions" had warned us that on
switchover, our phones wouldn't work the same as before.

William
<malingerer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > I'm in Gatineau (near Ottawa) and the network ID since this morning is
>> > "Rogers"... and I'm not paying the $5 for the extra coverage : What's
> going
>> > on ?
>>
>> The Microcell network in your area has been shutdown.
>>
>> You are now roaming on Rogers for free in any area previously covered by
>> Fido, but when you try to use your phone outside of original Fido
>> coverage, your call will no go through unless you pay the $5.00
>
> There is no shutdown of the Microcell network, it has been assimulated
> into
> the Rogers network. They still have quite a few FIDO towers in operation
> (filling the holes Rogers had and increasing capacity). Your comments tend
> to portray that the FIDO network is no longer there, but it's just part of
> a
> larger footprint now. Depending on the Smart Card you may or may not see
> Rogers on your screen (one of my devices shows FIDO as the network name,
> the
> other device shows CAN Rogers as it's network name (just need a new smart
> card for that to be solved)>
>
>

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> Eventually, Fido will be to Rogers what Compaq is to HP. Just a buzzword
> and label on products.

To this, I agree. But, it does entail differentiation in products and offers
to consumers.

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:45:45 GMT, "DilusionNews"
<dilusionnewsNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> so after the networks changed...
>
> i'm now noticing that if i dial a local call with 7 digits... i get a
> message saying i must dial the full 10 digits..... 613-xxx-xxxx
>
> what's up with that? why are they making dial 10 digits all of a
> sudden.... (ottawa only has one area code, not like toronto with 3 or
> more now.)

'Ottawa' is two area codes: 613 and 819. It is likely, and I may
have already seen some sore of announcement, that there will be
some overlapping exchange numbers soon.

I converted all of my phone books and dialers, even for my landline,
over to 10 digit dialing long ago so any conversion would be painless.


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Jim MacKenzie wrote:
> are local to Regina are 306. I am sure that Lloydminster, SK/AB, which is
> divided by the Alberta-Saskatchewan border and has two area codes, 306 and
> 780, requires ten-digit dialling.

It depends.

If there are no overlaps in exchange numbers (first 3 digits of phone
number), then the switches can be programmed to automatically know which
area code the desired number is in. For instance, if there is a 481-xxxx
in 306 but none in 780, then a user in the 306 zoen can dial just the 7
digits and the switches can fill n th area code since the numvber is
unique. But if there is a 706-481-xxxx numbers, then the switches must
require you to enter the 10 digit code.

Fido's switches in Montreal seemed to have those smarts. (most numbers
you din't have to dial the 10 digits, but for some you do). I take it
perhaps Rogers doesn't have those smarts.


BTW, I just forced my phone to Rogers in Montreal. The roaming is still
functional. So they've already programmed which Rogers antennas can
serve Fido customers who don't pay the $5.00

I wonder just how much they will circumscribe the coverage. For
instance, Fido has an 8-10km stretch that is not covered between
Ste-Agathe and St-Jovite north or montreal. Will Rogers really block
calls made in that stretch of road (the Fido maps show a coverage hole). ?