Ya BOSS

[SoDNighthawk]

Ya Boss my old Ti4200 8X AGP card really kicked allot of online ass for 3 years. I had a chance to get a BFG6200 real cheap OC from the factory and let me tell you aside from the DX9 support it hardly performs better then the Ti4200 does.

In fact I had to use Coolbits to crank the biotch up to 496 Max Memory @ a monitor refresh ate of 100 Hertz and could not advance the Core speed past the factory default setting of 375 or it would freeze solid right there in test mode.

I have since gone to a new MoB with the AMD 64's and PCIe X's2. Yet again many games that were graphics Dogs like Battlezone II and even to some extent HL2 do NOT perform any better then they did on the Ti4200. That card needs to be brought back with the same GPU but supporting DX9 and 256MB from the only ever released 128MB version.

That card was by far the best Graphics card I have ever owned or used. It is now in my sons P.C that I just finished building him for University in Toronto this fall. The 6200 is now sitting back in it's box collecting dust, it had a grand total of less then 30 days use before I gave up on it.

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[vinnybcfc]

Well the 6200 is a budget card so it is a unfair comparison to compare it to a Geforce 4 Ti maybe to a MX

That card needs to be brought back with the same GPU but supporting DX9 and 256MB from the only ever released 128MB version.

Get a 6600 or above and you will see better performance

 

[pauldh]

I'd agree, Ti4200's were great in their day and the best value in gaming for a while.

But their days are numbered now. 6200!? Forget those budget cards :tongue: . Do a 6600GT minimum. Better yet, a X800XL if you'd touch ATI. Or untouchable in PCI-e for under $200 -<A HREF="http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2707477" target="_new">pci-e X800pro $180</A> (refurb or possible left over new stock, 3 year warranty)



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[HardWareBoss]

My TI4200 only 64Mb.

 

[SoDNighthawk]

The 6200 I picked up was a 256MB card Factory Overclocked and a BFG card on top of all that.

It was not a 128MB card and that is what the Ti4200 was and it was only a DX8 capable card.

You would think a card 4 years down the pipeline of engineering like a 6200 that is 256MB and DX9 would out perform an older card like the Ti4200 but it doesn't!!

In fact even when we cranked up the 6200 to its highest clock speeds with the latest drivers the colour quality in some prior games the Ti4200 used to render so beautifully the 6200 fails to match the older card. (same MoB and Monitor)

There is a serious problem with the credibility of graphics card manufacturers and the Engineering at NVIDIA when 4 years later their cards are no better then the mainline cards from the past. If I think about the cost of these graphics cards that have an extremely high and remain high cost for their top pick cards. If you get right down to it the components on these cards from the Circuit boards to the 15 pin DIN connector to the small handful of SMT caps/Res and 4 or 8 memory chips as well as the GPU would cost about 100 bucks in total.

If you want to get real nasty about getting ripped off just think that you can purchase within reason a very high end computer motherboard for $200.00 bucks. This is a highly engineered component with a circuit board with 4 to 8 layers lots of copper in it and manufacturing time involved.

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[SoDNighthawk]

*NVIDIA* not sure what you pulled out of your hat with the Ti4200 the first time around but you need to get your Engineering documents for that card back out on the desktop and re-create that cards ability's and enhance them with DX9 and 256MB and 512MB memory levels.


Well BOSS, I had the 128MB version and could only run HL2 at home with some of the graphics set to max. Model Detail ect, but for in game world effects and full shadows I had to back those off a bit. Still the card cranked out the visual effects and colours so very nicely and with a DX8 Colour patch someone wrote for DX8 cards to render the water effects in HL2 the game ran outstandingly nice and the water effects were amazing clear crisp and reflected surfaces glimmered like Christmas tinsel in all colours of the rainbow.

The first thing we noticed with the 6200 that is supposed to be a DX9 card all this on a fresh install was that the water and reflective effects were not there absolutely AWOL and not present!!

Loading in the DX8 patch did not help the DX9 capable 6200 render them either. The concrete tunnels on the water bike levels of HL2 have clean water and radio active water all in a myriad of different colours that the Ti4200 used to make dance with vibrancies. The 6200 256MB DX9 card failed to even bring these effects out. All we observed was flat featureless surfaces that did not dance or reflect much at all. The one thing we noticed first off was the 6200 seems to render everything even close world objects such as the ground you are walking on or the walls around your player model like they are filtered so heavily that you are looking through cheese cloth very fuzzy to some extent and the further you look away in a game world the more heavily the effect becomes to the point of downright blurry.

The Ti4200 even if it could not render HL2 at full graphics settings kept the whole game environment in sharp clear sparkling visuals.

P.S I have used a BFG 6800 and it does now what the Ti4200 used to do but it still does not perform as it should or expected.

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[sh1ft3d]

I'm willing to bet you got the 64-bit memory interface version of the 6200 - a couple of those floating around. I too owned a 4200ti and was amazed that it lasted as long as it did. I eventually upgraded to a 6600GT and it is light years faster than the 4200ti, but the 4200ti is definitely deserving of having its jersey retired to the rafters.

Anyway, reason I think you got the 64-bit memory interface version is because of a friend of mine got the 6200 128-bit memory interface version, and I was actually impressed that it did as well as it did. I've never seen a 64-bit memery interface version in person, but my friend was able to play Half-Life 2 reasonably well, considering it was a 128MB DDR 128-bit memory interface card with sub-standard core and memory clock speeds.

My next card is looking to be the X800XL when it comes down closer to the $200 mark.

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[SoDNighthawk]

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[Nights_L]

It says 256bits?!
64bits x 4 = 256 bits
hmmm...

 

[pauldh]

Typo; 256-bit doesn't make any sense. But I would doubt that BFG's OC version would be 64-bit if 128-bit is an option.


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[pauldh]

You would think a card 4 years down the pipeline of engineering like a 6200 that is 256MB and DX9 would out perform an older card like the Ti4200 but it doesn't!!

Just remember that the 6600GT or now 6800 is the equivalent of the Ti4200 target/pricewise meeting the $200 retail price point. And the 6600GT almost did what the Ti4200 did by beating the previous top of the line cards performance for half the price. I say almsot because the Ti4200 destroyed GF3Ti500/Radeon 8500 whereas 6600GT barely beats out R9800XT. But the FX5700 series was surely no leap over Ti4200 at that target point.

IMO, your quote has three things mentioned that sum up the existance of 6200/X300 cards. (GF SIX series, 256MB ram, DX9 = marketing hoopla. The 6200 is basically a card for the retail chains to sell to the uninformed and for large oems to be able to offer GF6's cheap. 256MB of ram is a marketing scam in those cards, that just backs up the above theory. And DX9 is no biggy when they lack the power to enjoy most new DX9 titles (FX5200 :tongue: ) There's just nothing to get excited about in the value cards. Don't expect performance down there, it's just a way to bring in money in volume sales.

LOL, Of course in NO way am I putting you in either group of buyers mentioned above.
(Thought I better add that )


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[SoDNighthawk]

NP I got this card Cheap in Canada for $200 cash. and simply tried it. then removed it.......Rem in the US that's $100 bucks.

I am a computer networking Engineer/Computer tech/fibre optic certified/micro wafer fab technologies....ect ect etc etc..... so don't panic on me.

But yes you summed it up in a nutshell the OEM stuff really is crap on the consumer to gain more sales. The thing is they could sell the good cards at the same price and still make oodles of profit in fact probably more as more would buy on every upgrade for sure.

The 256MB version I have from BFG has a large Round Copper heatsink with copper heatsinks on the memory chips. Not sure why the U.S or European versions show a square aluminium cooler with nothing on the RAM for heatsinks.

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[Guest]

you forgot /god ...um mean /sod!


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[SoDNighthawk]

I did not want to sound like a know it all

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[SoDNighthawk]

The SoD part is from an online game I started playing in 1995 Called Battlezone.

The CLan of SoD or "Soldiers Of Death CLan". It's just the Uniform in front of the players names that are in the clan.

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[pauldh]

Yeah, I believe the etc., etc., etc. I thought I remember reading a post of yours that got quite technical and amazed the others regulars, hense the clarity of not putting you in that noobish category of buyer.

Never seen such a 6200 with the round copper heatsink you describe. So what are you gaming on now then if the Ti4200 is being used elsewhere and the 6200 gone?



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[Guest]

Lol!
Cool for the SoD part, I must say I was puzzled because its like Son Of [insert name here] hehe!


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[HardWareBoss]

Don't do that. We need you here.

 

[Guest]

Hey what program did youc hoose to become Computer Networking engineer? Something like electrical engineering with Telecom specialisation?

I ask this because I'm currently studying in IT engineering, pretty broad, computer in general with a bit of management... But I really liek the network part and Im already a network technician, with ccna and stuff, but I didnt find any engineering programs geared towards Networking except for the electrical+telco wich did'nt look like it was made for me!

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[SoDNighthawk]

I was in High Tech from 1987 with Bell Canada then on to other parts of High Tech.

The courses I covered started at the resistor level all the way up Labbbby.

If you are not in school take a College course that covers everything up from the electronics and computer sciences levels then to Electrical Engineering then into Network Engineering.

When you work in this type of field you never leave school. You do not earn a Diploma then go out into the world to work for a living you are constantly in school for life.

I also recommend an advanced mathematical course diploma including all related fields from the atom up before you even bother taking the other courses.

You guys want some relaxation fun Download Google Earth then download NASA's World Wind around 45MB then go to the website and download the new add-on called Blue Marble it's rather large at 125 MB if you have Extended high speed cable its only 2 minutes wait time.

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[Guest]

I'm already in Engineering, I like the program its just a bit broader than what I would like. We have fairly advanced math classes, 5 of them...

Google earth is nice! I'll give the other progz/add-on a shot!

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[Guest]

Gotta love my Job's fat pipe! 1.6mb sustained took 30 second!

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[SoDNighthawk]

Yes it's a fairly intrusive program Both the Google Earth program and your fairly advanced math classes.

Neither of which give the clarity in program I would prefer if you know what I mean.

Aside from downright computer programming in C++ old news and a few other things all the extensive math classes will be good for is getting you past the exams for each level of your engineering courses.

In the real world needing to add or subtract even in high tech is hardly ever needed. Amazing really but true.

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[SoDNighthawk]

wusy there is no protection available that really works against DOS attacks so how you could imagine protection against a SOD attack eludes me.

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[phial]

LOL SoD you cease fail to amaze me


First person Ive ever seen actually take a SCREEN SHOT OF A WEBSITE upload it and link to the sceen shot, instead of just linking to the actual website. !!! hAHAHAHAHAHA

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