HKEPC posts ful R520 PICS

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Well here's the best look sofar;

<A HREF="http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook.htm" target="_new">http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook.htm</A>

1.23 ns memory (800mhz spec!) OIE, that can't be cheap or plentiful.

Interesting to see more once they disect it. However who knows how long until we get all that info. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Still hoping the XL doesn't need a power connector.


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[pauldh]

Thx for posting. I was just looking that over from the INQ and wondered why nobody posted it. Quite a bit of R520 info today. X1800XT sounds like a weird name to me, but I'll probably still want one. {crazy]

I didn't realize that me was rated that high. That BJ12 is some serious ram then huh. Did you try and translate it? I did and it was lousy.


EDIT: <A HREF="http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook-e.htm" target="_new">English version</A>

HMM, the Inq just said today XT, Pro, XL are all 16 pipes, but this english version mentions 24 and the awe inspiring 32 pipe versions once again. ??!!


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 09/08/05 04:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[pauldh]

The Inq says X1800pro will also be 16 pipes and be faster than X1800XL. Pro > XL this round?

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[mpasternak]

what i find interesting,
lookin at the pictures at least... this is NOT a crossfire card

where the [-peep-] are they? ATI said "mid august"

 

[pauldh]

I'd take R520 launch over crossfire, but yeah hopefully both will be out soon.


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[KCjoker]

Good, time for some competition. I bet it's atleast 24 pipes the card is dual slot and longer than most ATI cards.

 

[pauldh]

Here's the dual slot XT: <A HREF="http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?5127" target="_new">http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?5127</A>


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yeah translated it (poor version of course) and look at their other old thread with the first pics, hence a little delay.

The mem does look nice and has the interesting 'effective speed' rating of 1<b>666</b>mhz

The 24 and 32 bit being in such low yield (the other thread says about 10 in existance not sure how accurate that sounds) means that they will be later releases. I have a feeling that it's more like 'existing 10% yield' than just 10 period.

I still really want to know the architecture, especially pipes, texture/pass, ROPs, Vertex units, FP Blending, loop and branching support, etc.

Probably more to come after a weekend oof testing. *hope*


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

this is NOT a crossfire card

They said R520 regular first, then muck around with Crossfire. Makes sense, gives them something to press-release about later.

Like SLi, Crossfire isn't a primary concern, the majority of users (who won't be using Crossfire or SLi) are the first priority.


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[pauldh]

I'd be happy knowing the number of pipes and seeing some real leaked benchies. Waiting blows.


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Well the pipes don't tell us enough alone (look at the G70).

But if someone tells you the chip can do 64 texture per clock, and output 16 pixels per clock you'd have a better idea of how it functions. 24 pixel pipes with 16 ROPs tells you something, but just letting you know 16 pipes doesn't mean it's necessarily better/worse.

The waiting is very annoying.

Almost thought S3 was going to get their 32bit 90nm product to market before ATi.

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[RX8]

(I SAY VERY SARCASTICLY in a very uninteresting dull voice)

R520`s wait is getting very boring and wow-we, someones released some pictures of a graphics card how interesting, this tells us stuff we already dont know, hold on when will it be released?

Erm how many top spec (memory at 1400mhz) r520 cards will we see on the shelf before christmas, why is ati putting us through this long boring wait why are we looking at pictures of a card i have been waiting to upgrade to for so long i have waited so long nvidia is already talking about another next generation release.

Sorry gga i am not discrediting your post, if i am going off on one i am sorry for that to much respect to you. but you must understand are frustration after such a long wait pictures do not do justice we want the dam cards.

Can ati actually compete against nvidias line up? that is question i am asking.


Actual Remark about the pictures the R520 looks remarkably simlier to a 6800 GOSH is that why we waited so long for, just wondering if anyone noticed that?

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[pauldh]

Umm, GGA isn't an ATI PR man. He simple was providing something unseen so far. As someone who looks daily for R520 info, I must say today is one of the biggest days to date. Sure it's far from enough, but still worth talking about. Afterall, it's all we got so far. :frown:



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[pauldh]

Yes, I do understand what you mean, it's just that's I'd be happy once and for all to know if it's 16, 24, 32 etc. While not enough info, it's one little ? that's been bugging me and I'd be happy for now just to know for sure. Of course, benchies would be much appreciated. I had just given up on a 32 or even 24 pipe R520, now they done got me wondering again.



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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Can ati actually compete against nvidias line up? that is question i am asking.

That and the others are good questions, and we'll only know once they are launched, if then. Really like I said that's what they have to do if they don't want to continue to lose marketshare outside of the small but high profile top end market.

IF they release their mid-range on time that would have a greater impact IMO.

I don't think your statements discredit anything, as I don't think anything other than the Mem spec was really provided (btw it's ungodly 1600 not 1400 ), but even 14 isn't unlikely as a standard for the XL even GTs and Ultras shipped with 1250spec mem so 1400 seems like a minor jump one doable for not such a premium as that likely rare 1.2 stuff. All speculation of course, but at least this confirms 'an option' that card may come with.
That the cards 'exist' was a given, what the heck is in/on them is the most intruiging questions, along with the importan, when can I get them and for how much which to me are a little more mundane, but that's just me and some others.

Actual Remark about the pictures the R520 looks remarkably simlier to a 6800

Funny I don't see it to be an issue, patented memory on PCB 'arrangement'?

I understand your frustration and I don't claim that this is ground breaking, but after all the conjecture and FUD, it's nice to at least have something more solid than an InQ rumour and our own fantasies/horrors/hersay.

Is still can't F'in believe we're nearly mid-Septembre and there's Nadda, if it's ONLY mfr based then that's understandable if somewhat disheartening, but if there's marketing/pr forces behind the delays due to some strategy then really it's their call, but pretty dissapointing.

I just hope the mid-range are worth the wait. Whatever ships sans power connector will be the most intruiging for me, because I want to see how far they can push the single slot PCIe with the addition of 90nm.


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I understand, and I tell you it's amazing what you can figure out with tidbits of information that can be confirmed.

If you were even to have just a run of 3Dmk03 or the complete 3Dmk05 package at high res you could figure out max fill rates, the changes from singl to multi-texture, vertex processing power, etc. Alot to learn from that.

The things that will interest me will be the truely techie gooey side of things like Eden and I disucssed briefly at launch. Think of how they are going to implement FP32 that alone could offer some wierd options. Imagine FX12, FP16, FP32 and FP24 support throughout the pipeline. The nVidia cards don't do that but they do do FX12/FP16/FP32 which has some benifits in some areas where partial precision is penalty-less (especially shadows); and if they only offer FP32 with everything else run through FP32 (the way things run in FP24 in the R3/4xx series) then you have a transistor savings but less flexibility. Will they have performance benifts of FP16+32 which would help D3 (although back culling would help too [and maybe more]), would they be able to do FP24+16 at any faster rate than FP32+16 if they have that option as well which might offer insteresting performance in games like FartCry. What about a game like HL2 which doesn't support he FP16 partial precision mix, but would be able to have the mix option within the chip of FP32+FP24 which might have a very strange potential benifit, especially for HDR implementations as well.

While I don't think it's likely that they will implement FP24 along with FP32 throughout with any pipeline benifits, it is a 'possibility' especially to aid in backwards FP24 support and the promotion of it's performance benifits, but worryingly it may be like 2xAGP slots, possible but not practical and thus not implemented at all.

These are the kind of things that get me going, because there is a heck of alot that is 'possible' and that they are having so many technical issues leads me to believe that they aren't doing things simply, and without some kind of information your mind starts to think of crazy stuff like the above.
When a word from someone on the design team like... 'that be a heck of a waste of silicon for small benifit' would simply molify me.

So like you anything to confirm any of these open for your imagination issue is nice. Now if only they could confirm that's it's powered by the nightmares of newborns, then I could stop my giddy hoping and start preparing.


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[mozzartusm]

Im still trying to decide if I will allow ATI to continue to exist

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[sandyk20]

ATi Radeon R520XT photos here. when is the release date expected ?
http://gallery.techarena.in/showgallery.php/cat/513

 

[Ned_Flanders]

There just the pics from the OP link.

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[mpasternak]

still wonder if ATI is dealing with yeild issues or if they've solved that and finally pushing

 

[KCjoker]

It was dumb for Nvidia to ignore AGP and now ATI is as well. I thought ATI would take advantage of that but looks like they aren't.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

There's no evidence to back up what was said about AGP in the other thread on HKEPC, it was an assumption about ATi bringing out AGP, which they said they would afterwards and which is on their roadmap. Until ATi makes a statement even remotely similar to nVidia's about an AGP version of their card, I'd simply treat it as similar to the speculation about the Crossfire card being DVI+VGA (unlikely IMO based on all previous versions, and the compositing engine).

Personally though I don't understand the hold up, and realistically there's no reason anymore to worry one way or another; with eVGA giving away PCIe MoBos with GF7800GT and GTXs, and Uli and a few others making competant AGP+PCIe chipsets/MoBos there's really no need for the AGP models anymore at the high end. If it costs $50 extra to buy a bridged version of the card (or the MFR loses $5-10 for each [which comes out of all the cards then]) to have a bridged AGP model makes little sense and doesn't add to the product mix, and simply fractures the limited number of top chips they have. I doubt nV would've been able to have the same non-paper launch if they had to ensure enough stock of both AGP and PCIe and make sure they have large enough volumes to once again cover the two ebbing/flowing markets.
Dedicating your limited resources to just PCIe ensures volume for the enthusiats who really are mostly moved if not already moving to PCIe.

Expect to see both companies bringing out AGP mid-level cards (where ATi dropped the ball last time) because those are the people who may not wish to upgrade so soon after having "spent so much" their XP3200+ or early AMD64. Of course entry level would be even more so, but those people can also be served by last generation cast-offs since a sucky new card will cost more than a good plain GF6600/X600-700 and likely still perform worse.

AGP support is definitely NOT an advantage for this class of card and I doubt they are worrying about it, and even our resident 'luddites' are likely feeling the itch.


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[KCjoker]

You give some valid points but I'm still a little surprised by it.

 

[Guest]

According to HKEPC, it scores 85xx at stock speeds in 05...24pp/650/1400. 32pp/520/1400 is possible to run, but slower supposedly....go figure (it has a higher theoretical fillrate).

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[mozzartusm]

The inquirer says that the X1800 XT and Pro [R520] will have 512 MB of RAM.

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