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Anonymous
September 1, 2005 10:21:25 AM

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Was looking over Pete Hirschberg's beautiful site, but he's kind of
hard to get hold of through email. Was just wondering if anyone has
gotten any kind of paint codes or some such for the old 1980 Rowe's?
Were those painted or were they powdercoated? Anyone ever tackled a
coin-changer restoration?
I know that some used a woodgrain laminate over a few portions, but I
think I'm going to elect to leave that off.

More about : rowe 25a color codes

September 1, 2005 6:34:35 PM

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The one shown on my website was powder coated. I don't remember the
paint codes, they just matched what was on there. It was around $300 to
have it completely bead-blasted down to the metal and coated with 2
shades of brown. Definitely seemed like it was originally powder coated
but I'm not sure how you tell.

The only lament I have about the refurb is that you end up losing the
original silkcreened lettering on the front panel (it said "Rowe" and
some other stuff). The lettering that's on there now is a clear sticker
that Happ sells, but it doesn't look anything like what was originally
on there. I did at least make a good high resolution scan of the
lettering before I had it bead-blasted so I could possibly repro it
someday, but I don't know of anybody that could silkscreen it directly
back on the front panel (I supposed I could make a more accurate clear
sticker along the lines of what Happ has, but I haven't done that).

Still have to apply the woodgrain veneer to mine, and locate a source
for the chrome trim strips that border the sides.

I think I have before and after dissassembly/reassembly pictures
somewhere if you're interested!

-Peter
Anonymous
September 2, 2005 6:09:27 AM

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On 1 Sep 2005 14:34:35 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>The one shown on my website was powder coated. I don't remember the
>paint codes, they just matched what was on there. It was around $300 to
>have it completely bead-blasted down to the metal and coated with 2
>shades of brown. Definitely seemed like it was originally powder coated
>but I'm not sure how you tell.
Bead blasted? Are you sure? I was presupposing it would have been
sand blasted outdoors as the outer enclosure/frame is rather bulky.
Perhaps it all comes apart. I'll have to look it over again. Wish
you could come up with the color codes or powder color. Looks
beautiful.
>
>The only lament I have about the refurb is that you end up losing the
>original silkcreened lettering on the front panel (it said "Rowe" and
>some other stuff). The lettering that's on there now is a clear sticker
>that Happ sells, but it doesn't look anything like what was originally
>on there. I did at least make a good high resolution scan of the
>lettering before I had it bead-blasted so I could possibly repro it
>someday, but I don't know of anybody that could silkscreen it directly
>back on the front panel (I supposed I could make a more accurate clear
>sticker along the lines of what Happ has, but I haven't done that).
Thanks for the lead. I have a few pictures of what mine says, but
it's all on the veneer.
>
>Still have to apply the woodgrain veneer to mine, and locate a source
>for the chrome trim strips that border the sides.
I don't recall the one in Fun-N-Games in the Lima Mall having any
veneer but I could be wrong. In any case I think, like you I am going
to avoid the veneer. I am somewhat mystified however as the bottom
hinged door has like 4 holes in it, like there's another piece that
fits on it's exterior. Is there something else that goes over the
bottom door?
And as for the chrome trim I thought I noticed that on yours. You had
some kind of brown trim. I did take note on that. I imagine the
chrome was adhered by adhesive of some kind and I hate to remove that.
I'll be keeping my eyes out for that material as well.
>
>I think I have before and after dissassembly/reassembly pictures
>somewhere if you're interested!
>
>-Peter
>
Sure, anything would be helpful. I've been snapping a few of my own
here being sure to know which part goes where when it comes time for
reassembly. Did you ever buy a bottle of that Horn Security alarm?
Boy if that wasn't the corniest thing I ever heard of. :) 
Related resources
September 3, 2005 2:38:29 AM

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go to someone with a t-shirt printing company. Someone there would do it
after hours for you cheap..


<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote in message
news:1125610475.765857.231520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The one shown on my website was powder coated. I don't remember the
> paint codes, they just matched what was on there. It was around $300 to
> have it completely bead-blasted down to the metal and coated with 2
> shades of brown. Definitely seemed like it was originally powder coated
> but I'm not sure how you tell.
>
> The only lament I have about the refurb is that you end up losing the
> original silkcreened lettering on the front panel (it said "Rowe" and
> some other stuff). The lettering that's on there now is a clear sticker
> that Happ sells, but it doesn't look anything like what was originally
> on there. I did at least make a good high resolution scan of the
> lettering before I had it bead-blasted so I could possibly repro it
> someday, but I don't know of anybody that could silkscreen it directly
> back on the front panel (I supposed I could make a more accurate clear
> sticker along the lines of what Happ has, but I haven't done that).
>
> Still have to apply the woodgrain veneer to mine, and locate a source
> for the chrome trim strips that border the sides.
>
> I think I have before and after dissassembly/reassembly pictures
> somewhere if you're interested!
>
> -Peter
>
September 3, 2005 8:36:01 PM

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I haven't been able to find those pictures yet, but I'll keep looking.
I'd like to be able to find them. I did find the scans of the front
panel. I'll get those posted to my website when I get a chance in case
anybody else wants them.

The place where I had mine painted was an industrial painting shop.
They paint tanks and construction equipment and stuff. I honestly don't
recall if they bead-blasted or sandblasted.

I was screwed when it came time to reassemble mine. All I had was a big
box full of parts and screws and no idea how they went back together.
So yeah - take lots of pictures.

My front door had woodgrain veneer before I painted it. The edges had
metal trim pieces that covered the edges of the veneer.

I still want to replace the chrome trim pieces (mine got pretty torn up
removing them), but haven't tracked down a replacement yet. The brown
edges you see in the pictures are just the edges of the cabinet (minus
the trim)

I'll keep looking for those photos.

-Peter
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 3:40:43 AM

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It sounds like were going to have a pretty hard time finding that
metal trim. That is a must have. I'm sure T-Molding's not gonna have
it. I've still got it on my cabinet, but am going to have to remove
it to get the cabinet powdercoated. Did you keep a sample of it to
show anyone what your looking for? Odds are, it's still being
produced somewhere. I'll bet Rowe could tell us. Have you asked
them?


On 3 Sep 2005 16:36:01 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>I haven't been able to find those pictures yet, but I'll keep looking.
>I'd like to be able to find them. I did find the scans of the front
>panel. I'll get those posted to my website when I get a chance in case
>anybody else wants them.
>
>The place where I had mine painted was an industrial painting shop.
>They paint tanks and construction equipment and stuff. I honestly don't
>recall if they bead-blasted or sandblasted.
>
>I was screwed when it came time to reassemble mine. All I had was a big
>box full of parts and screws and no idea how they went back together.
>So yeah - take lots of pictures.
>
>My front door had woodgrain veneer before I painted it. The edges had
>metal trim pieces that covered the edges of the veneer.
>
>I still want to replace the chrome trim pieces (mine got pretty torn up
>removing them), but haven't tracked down a replacement yet. The brown
>edges you see in the pictures are just the edges of the cabinet (minus
>the trim)
>
>I'll keep looking for those photos.
>
>-Peter
>
September 4, 2005 11:28:41 AM

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Hey Zinny,
Try this site

http://www.veii.com/pages/shopParts.asp?catID=1029&manu...

Notice there is a gallon of "Vendors Brown" available. I would assume
its enamel and would have to either roll or spray it on. They also have
it in spray cans on the previous page- maybe you could get that color
matched??? Just a thought....
-Ted
September 4, 2005 2:49:10 PM

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Go here:
http://www.mcmaster.com/
And search for part number: 8123A63 (it'll be highlighted on the right)

That's pretty close. Only difference is that the "D" dimension is too
thick (should be around 1/4" by my measurements).

I do still have my original pieces. Taking another look at them now -
maybe I can just straighten them out.

-Peter
September 4, 2005 2:55:47 PM

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I just sent an email to Rowe about parts. I expect them to laugh at me,
but who knows.

I probably won't hear back from them until after the holiday weekend,
but I'll let you know what I hear.

-Peter
September 4, 2005 8:44:33 PM

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Sorry. I got lazy and measured the cabinet instead of the actual trim
pieces. You're right - it is supposed to be 7/8".

They are held on with bead of something that looks like rubber cement
along their length, and secured at each end with a small screw. IIRC
you actually have to remove the top of the cabinet from the bottom to
get to one set of the screws.

-Peter
September 4, 2005 8:46:09 PM

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Is that electroplating? I did a lot of that with RC helicopter parts.
There's a metal coating place here that does it.

I didn't bother with any of the inside parts if those are what you're
talking about. Just the outside brown parts.

-Peter
September 4, 2005 11:35:25 PM

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Your email to Rowe will probably not get answered...they went under
about two years ago. Vendors Exchange in Ohio bought thier inventory of
parts so......if you want a new part, you'll have to email Vendor
Exchange. Once the new stuff is gone....it's gone.

Ted
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 1:22:13 AM

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Well 25/64" Wow I'd have to get some serious calipers out for that
measurement. :/ 

Yea your 1/4" measurement would be spot on for (A). But your 3/4"
measurement is off. That won't work. The original piece is 7/8" wide
(measurement D)
Mine is still on the cabinet, I haven't removed it. Is it just an
adhesive keeping it on there? If so I'd imagine it'd get pretty bent
up during removal.
I don't think Rowe will laugh at you. I think they'd just tell you to
pay through the nose for a couple strips of it. Just a guess.


On 4 Sep 2005 10:49:10 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>Go here:
>http://www.mcmaster.com/
>And search for part number: 8123A63 (it'll be highlighted on the right)
>
>That's pretty close. Only difference is that the "D" dimension is too
>thick (should be around 1/4" by my measurements).
>
>I do still have my original pieces. Taking another look at them now -
>maybe I can just straighten them out.
>
>-Peter
>
September 5, 2005 2:05:36 AM

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Whoops (again), I meant to say "anodizing" (not electroplating).

Getting parts rechromed should be easy, as the juke & slot guys do it
all the time.

-Peter
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 2:58:46 AM

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A little unrelated but I've been scouting out the process by which a
manufacturer places that orange/yellow protective coat of electrolytic
protective barrier over metal parts when they are manufactured.
You'll note this on your Coin Hoppers and on the mechanism. I've got
parts that would really honestly look alot better taking themll back
down to metal and having that coating reapplied, but I don't know who
or even how that process is done. Probably something that can't be
done at home. We have a plant out here that does chemical coatings
called MetaCoat but they really don't strike me as being able to take
a few parts and do them as they're pretty big league.

On 4 Sep 2005 10:55:47 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>I just sent an email to Rowe about parts. I expect them to laugh at me,
>but who knows.
>
>I probably won't hear back from them until after the holiday weekend,
>but I'll let you know what I hear.
>
>-Peter
>
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 6:58:19 AM

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I figured if I'm going to tear it all apart I might as well restore
the whole thing. I don't know if it's called that or not. But you
see it on nearly every factory made metal part. Wonder how that's
done? Probably some extremely hazardous chemicals and about 240 volts
of current, something like that. :) 
My coin/token tray is a lost cause as well as the coin return tray.
Both will have to be rechromed. I'm thinking hand-oils broke down the
chrome over the years.

On 4 Sep 2005 16:46:09 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>Is that electroplating? I did a lot of that with RC helicopter parts.
>There's a metal coating place here that does it.
>
>I didn't bother with any of the inside parts if those are what you're
>talking about. Just the outside brown parts.
>
>-Peter
>
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 7:00:02 AM

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whoa! Hadn't heard anything about that. I had been to a site called
Vendors Exchange, but I'd thought they were just a service
outlet/distributor for this area. That's not very good news.

On 4 Sep 2005 19:35:25 -0700, "Newbie" <tschrock@cox.net> wrote:

>Your email to Rowe will probably not get answered...they went under
>about two years ago. Vendors Exchange in Ohio bought thier inventory of
>parts so......if you want a new part, you'll have to email Vendor
>Exchange. Once the new stuff is gone....it's gone.
>
>Ted
>
September 6, 2005 5:52:49 PM

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I heard back from Rowe and they basically said "contact Vendor
Exchange". :-P

I forwarded the email to them. Will let you know what I hear AFA
available parts.

-Peter
September 13, 2005 11:45:16 AM

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Finally found the pictures I'd been looking for. Not sure they're going
to be helpful, but here they are:

http://peterhirschberg.com/arcade/images/games/rowe/ref...

Wish I'd taken some "before" pictures too. These were all taken after
getting the parts back from the paint shop.

-Peter
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 6:20:04 AM

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Thanks Pete,
Great pics. Still disassembling in between Top Gunner, Dragon's Lair,
Spy Hunter and other projects. Those are great pics. I'm also
looking into home anodizing because alot of the old parts inside look
kind of crusty. Especially the coin slide.

On 13 Sep 2005 07:45:16 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>Finally found the pictures I'd been looking for. Not sure they're going
>to be helpful, but here they are:
>
>http://peterhirschberg.com/arcade/images/games/rowe/ref...
>
>Wish I'd taken some "before" pictures too. These were all taken after
>getting the parts back from the paint shop.
>
>-Peter
>
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 7:46:11 AM

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Did you ever hear anything back from Vendor Exchange? I was right
there was like a self adhesive under the metal molding. Had to take a
screwdriver and hammer down between the molding and the upper
casement, then pry. I'd say odds are not good to reuse the old stuff
even as banged up as it was before.

On 6 Sep 2005 13:52:49 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>I heard back from Rowe and they basically said "contact Vendor
>Exchange". :-P
>
>I forwarded the email to them. Will let you know what I hear AFA
>available parts.
>
>-Peter
>
September 15, 2005 7:47:02 AM

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Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.

-Peter
September 15, 2005 3:43:23 PM

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Send me a picture of it offline.

-Peter

Zinfer wrote:
> I've been meaning to ask you a question about your lower door. May
> have already asked you and just forgotten about it. I'll have to take
> a pic of mine perhaps to show you, but it has 4 holes in it near each
> corner. I am wondering why those holes are there, and if there was
> some kind of square outer panel or something on that bottom door? It
> would appear there's some outer panel that screws into the inner panel
> of the swing out lower door. But I'm not sure. Haven't seen it in any
> pics so far.
> There are 4 round holes, like they've been drilled and then it looks
> like someone took a wire wheel to take off the burrs. I'm only
> guessing but perhaps some kind of sign hung on the exterior front
> door, some big-ass sign. Probably read 'this arcade or laundry' or
> 'Bills removed nightly' or something.
>
> On 15 Sep 2005 03:47:02 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
>
> >Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.
> >
> >-Peter
> >
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 7:11:46 PM

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I've been meaning to ask you a question about your lower door. May
have already asked you and just forgotten about it. I'll have to take
a pic of mine perhaps to show you, but it has 4 holes in it near each
corner. I am wondering why those holes are there, and if there was
some kind of square outer panel or something on that bottom door? It
would appear there's some outer panel that screws into the inner panel
of the swing out lower door. But I'm not sure. Haven't seen it in any
pics so far.
There are 4 round holes, like they've been drilled and then it looks
like someone took a wire wheel to take off the burrs. I'm only
guessing but perhaps some kind of sign hung on the exterior front
door, some big-ass sign. Probably read 'this arcade or laundry' or
'Bills removed nightly' or something.

On 15 Sep 2005 03:47:02 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.
>
>-Peter
>
September 16, 2005 12:45:43 AM

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I doubt those are original. I'd think they'd be a lot more refined
looking if they were. Probably for a sign that somebody added, like you
say. The woodgrain vinyl would cover that up anyway (if you go that
route). My machine didn't have those holes at any rate.

The liquid tray with the tube running to the bottom of the cabinet that
you mention in your pictures is to catch whatever soda/coffee/beer that
gets spilled on the top of the changer and direct it around all the
electronics and other things that go zap when they get wet (not to
mention the stack of bills that are presumably sitting in the machine).

Hope that helps!

-Peter



Zinfer wrote:
> Ok pete it's the bottom picture at
> http://24.210.237.80/coinchanger.htm
>
> On 15 Sep 2005 11:43:23 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
>
> >Send me a picture of it offline.
> >
> >-Peter
> >
> >Zinfer wrote:
> >> I've been meaning to ask you a question about your lower door. May
> >> have already asked you and just forgotten about it. I'll have to take
> >> a pic of mine perhaps to show you, but it has 4 holes in it near each
> >> corner. I am wondering why those holes are there, and if there was
> >> some kind of square outer panel or something on that bottom door? It
> >> would appear there's some outer panel that screws into the inner panel
> >> of the swing out lower door. But I'm not sure. Haven't seen it in any
> >> pics so far.
> >> There are 4 round holes, like they've been drilled and then it looks
> >> like someone took a wire wheel to take off the burrs. I'm only
> >> guessing but perhaps some kind of sign hung on the exterior front
> >> door, some big-ass sign. Probably read 'this arcade or laundry' or
> >> 'Bills removed nightly' or something.
> >>
> >> On 15 Sep 2005 03:47:02 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
> >> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.
> >> >
> >> >-Peter
> >> >
> >
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 4:14:18 AM

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Ok pete it's the bottom picture at
http://24.210.237.80/coinchanger.htm

On 15 Sep 2005 11:43:23 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>Send me a picture of it offline.
>
>-Peter
>
>Zinfer wrote:
>> I've been meaning to ask you a question about your lower door. May
>> have already asked you and just forgotten about it. I'll have to take
>> a pic of mine perhaps to show you, but it has 4 holes in it near each
>> corner. I am wondering why those holes are there, and if there was
>> some kind of square outer panel or something on that bottom door? It
>> would appear there's some outer panel that screws into the inner panel
>> of the swing out lower door. But I'm not sure. Haven't seen it in any
>> pics so far.
>> There are 4 round holes, like they've been drilled and then it looks
>> like someone took a wire wheel to take off the burrs. I'm only
>> guessing but perhaps some kind of sign hung on the exterior front
>> door, some big-ass sign. Probably read 'this arcade or laundry' or
>> 'Bills removed nightly' or something.
>>
>> On 15 Sep 2005 03:47:02 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
>> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.
>> >
>> >-Peter
>> >
>
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 8:44:02 PM

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That is very helpful to know. The purpose of that tray had me a
little puzzled too. Well I guess after I have it sandblasted I'll
have to take some bondo to those holes. I've done that once or twice
before on coin-doors that get powdercoated. Apparently the bondo
doesn't seem to matter in the powdercoating process. The material
still sticks and melts to it. Amazing, the amount of corrosion that's
at that bottom door. Just the door. Nothing else has that. I am
nearly done stripping it down, just closing in on separating the upper
and lower halves now. Wish I could fit them into my bead blaster but
those parts look to be an outside curtain job.
I'm also working on that anodizing process but until the first test I
don't know if it'll be possible.
Thanks for the info and I hope you hear something back from Vendor
Exchange soon on the aluminum molding.

On 15 Sep 2005 20:45:43 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
<peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:

>I doubt those are original. I'd think they'd be a lot more refined
>looking if they were. Probably for a sign that somebody added, like you
>say. The woodgrain vinyl would cover that up anyway (if you go that
>route). My machine didn't have those holes at any rate.
>
>The liquid tray with the tube running to the bottom of the cabinet that
>you mention in your pictures is to catch whatever soda/coffee/beer that
>gets spilled on the top of the changer and direct it around all the
>electronics and other things that go zap when they get wet (not to
>mention the stack of bills that are presumably sitting in the machine).
>
>Hope that helps!
>
>-Peter
>
>
>
>Zinfer wrote:
>> Ok pete it's the bottom picture at
>> http://24.210.237.80/coinchanger.htm
>>
>> On 15 Sep 2005 11:43:23 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
>> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Send me a picture of it offline.
>> >
>> >-Peter
>> >
>> >Zinfer wrote:
>> >> I've been meaning to ask you a question about your lower door. May
>> >> have already asked you and just forgotten about it. I'll have to take
>> >> a pic of mine perhaps to show you, but it has 4 holes in it near each
>> >> corner. I am wondering why those holes are there, and if there was
>> >> some kind of square outer panel or something on that bottom door? It
>> >> would appear there's some outer panel that screws into the inner panel
>> >> of the swing out lower door. But I'm not sure. Haven't seen it in any
>> >> pics so far.
>> >> There are 4 round holes, like they've been drilled and then it looks
>> >> like someone took a wire wheel to take off the burrs. I'm only
>> >> guessing but perhaps some kind of sign hung on the exterior front
>> >> door, some big-ass sign. Probably read 'this arcade or laundry' or
>> >> 'Bills removed nightly' or something.
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Sep 2005 03:47:02 -0700, "peter@peterhirschberg.com"
>> >> <peter@peterhirschberg.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Nope. Emailed them twice. No response yet.
>> >> >
>> >> >-Peter
>> >> >
>> >
>
!