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reviews are starting to come in...
 
<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODE1" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODE1</A>
 
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still think the refresh rate problem will hurt sales badly

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Yep, the Silicon Image chip with the 1600x1200 60Hz limitation is true afterall. :frown:  
 
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If it weren't for that it would look like a good start for Crossfire.  2 - X850XT's > 2 6800U's.  But that 16x12 60Hz limit is a <b>major blow</b> as is the cheaper single 7800GTX.
 
 
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but I have an LCD screen with a max refresh rate of 60 Hz.  Does this mean Crossfire will look like ass on my monitor?
 
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looks like I am waiting for the new X1800's.
 
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Most LCD screen have a max refresh rate of 75Hz at their native resolution
 
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Agreed. Mine does.

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Agreed
 
SLI was *meant* for higher resolutions, and most of the benchmarks indicate such because that's when there is the biggest performance gap. Like, in low resolutions, at time the 7800 GTX single actually outperforms the 7800 GTX in SLI (only marginally).  
 
Nonetheless, x850 in Crossfire seemed to do pretty well against the 6800 Ultra SLI, or atleast expectedly.  
 
Right off the bat, there doesn't seem to be as much issues with Crossfire (besides the limitation) as there was when SLI was first introduced several months ago. I mean, perhaps ATI learned from some of the mistakes of SLI, but overall Crossfire seems to be an interesting product with some neat features that may be worth my $$ when the x1800 comes rolling in.
 
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Gamer_369 on 09/26/05 11:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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WTF?
Where's your nV fanboy spirit gone?
 
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A good review.
 
<A HREF="http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/crossfire/" target="_new">http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/crossfire/</A>
 
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The TechReport does their typical bang-up job;
 
<A HREF="http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/ati-crossfire/index.x?pg=1" target="_new">http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/ati-crossfire/index.x?pg=1</A>
 
Digit-Life is a little dissapointing IMO, but still better than Anands';
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I'm still not a fan of CF or SLi. The extra AA is nice, but not as impressive as None vs 4XAA. And the limitation of 1600x1200 is pretty limiting for this supposed high end product. Considering the power of their current competition I can't help but think that like we said the X850XT crosfire will lose it's attraction once the new cards arrive.  
 
But I guess you have to launch Crossfire first if you want people to be able to use it for your R520 launch without CF causing a little loss of focus. It allows allows people to work out the bugs in their setups/drivers prior to that launch.
 
But I'm still not very impressed, gimme surround gaming and stop playing in the wood-shed with the radio shack electronics set on basically 'proof of concept's.
 
 
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I don't understand this type of product.  I can't even use it.  How much did they spend on R&D and how much profit can they make when it's 16x12 limited?
 
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I thought you only had the 20" Dell, did you geta 24" after all?
 
Yeah I don't really get it either. The market for this type of product is already limited, and they made it more so. I think they were hoping alot of people were like the guys from driverheaven;
<A HREF="http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/crossfireatireviewxxx/" target="_new">http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/crossfireatireviewxxx/</A>
 
Who said he doesn't really go above 16x12 so the additional AA ends up being the major focus I guess. That sure is alot just for AA. Although if you look at some of the games though it appears that you can stress them at 16x12 is you take into consideration smoothness of gameplay and look at minimum fps.  
 
But still I agree, this is like building something to play last year's games not this year's or next year's.
 
 
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Yeah I got the 24"er and I really want something that will max this thing out.  Not now necessarely, but in a year.
 
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Can you actually notice the difference with AA once you're at 1600x1200? I can't.
 
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yes of course you can, but then again you only have a 9800 what Frame rate will you be getting 1 a minute at 1600x with 16/8 enabled
 
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mine LCD monitor does, but only in analog mode.  I use the DVI connections and that "digital" max is 60 Hz at 1280 X 1024.
 
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When ATI sees that its crossfire is getting horrible reviews, hopefully that will drop the prices.  They shot themselves in the foot with this one.  So pay for a $400 850XTPE card and then another $350 for an extra "master" card that barely nixes out a single 7800GTX?  Who can justify that expense?
 
The really bad news here is that they are going to have to sale the next generation of cards (X1800 and above) at much higher prices to make up for the no doubt dismal sales of crossfire.  
Another sad thing is that this was meant to be a boon to those who already had a "crossfire" ready 800 or 850 card.  They paid a premium for that.  MANY bought the AGP version.  Only one board I know of has AGP with PCI-e.  
Lastly, that big ass cord strutting out from behind your case . . the dongle cord?!!  I gotta plug other stuff back there and this cord is one hell of a numb nut idea!  
It's pretty obvious that this was not "from the ground up" thinking.  This was "how can I make a dually solution quick with the crap I already have?"
 
This is a downer for me because I have been holding off on Crossfire!  Now my only hope is X1800.  Upgrading my computer was going to be pricey.  Perhaps this is a godsend that Crossfire was/is so horrible.  $750 for a crossfire pair of cards.  It makes me scared that if the X1800 performs (or cards released in Dec) better than CF, what will they cost??  $900?  That will put upgrading completely on the shelf for me!
 
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so x1800s don't support crossfire? ATI is really confusing now with all the product lines. The x1600 won't be released now and the x800gto and x800gto2? will be released instead?

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I hear/read conflicting reports on whether or not X1800 will support CF.  But that means buying an X1800 master card too.  These things will take you upwards of $1000!!!
 
And you have to buy Xpress 200 mobos which frankly are nothing to write home about compared to Nforce4.
 
And whether or not X1800 supports CF, it won't fix the dongle problem or the 1600 X 1200 60 Hz problem unless they have ALREADY fixed that for the next generation of CF.  But how odd is it to release a "newer" version of CF within 2 months of eache other?
 
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im willing to bet they will make x1800 with CF support.
 
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