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October 26, 2005 3:32:33 PM

I'm looking for a step above 9800 Pro. I personally have a 9800 pro, and am not impressed with its performance. That said, the unit in question, ie the one i'm going to replace, is in a different system. I'm replacing a 9600 Pro which is oc'd/softmodded to xt. Even a 9800 would be an improvement for that 9600...but i want to go one step higher. Recommendations please! Nvidia or ATI only. Limit of $230 or so.

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October 26, 2005 3:56:58 PM

Could check out a X800pro retail, x800xt ebay, or 6800gt retail.

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a b U Graphics card
October 26, 2005 6:56:23 PM

AIW X800XT has been as low as $255 but is over $300 now. 6800GT hasn't been that low, X800XL AGP was down as low as $225 but is now higher. X800 pro to me seems like your best bet in that $200-230 price range right now (online USA)unless you go refurbished/used. The refurbished X800 pro AGP with 3 year warranty directly from ATI has been gone for a week or so, that was a good deal for $185 shipped.


The <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681..." target="_new">256MB X800GTO</A> is a good AGP card for that money. Slower core than the pro, but higher memory. It's Better than a 6800 and has good potential of going well beyond stock speeds too. Getting down to the bottom, a 6600GT will definatley outclass your 9800 pro also.

Best to worst if you can find one in your range:
AIW X800XT
6800GT/X800XL
X800 pro/ X800GTO 256MB(faster clocked than 128MB versions)



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October 26, 2005 8:01:57 PM

Thx ya'll, i appreciate it. Probably going to go with the x800 pro.

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AMD: [X2 3800+ down][64 3000+ down][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
October 26, 2005 8:03:40 PM

If a 9800 PRO dissapoints you, the lowest you'd want to go is a [typo changed to 6800GT] or X800XL...

Both of those are out of your price range though, so you might have to settle for an X800(orX850)PRO, X800GT, X800GTO, or 6600GT.

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<b>3dMark05: <font color=red>5,275</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Cleeve on 10/27/05 11:47 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
October 26, 2005 8:39:38 PM

Here's whats going on in more detail...

I run a 3800+ x2 and 2x6800gts...as a back-up i have a 2500+ paired with a 9800 np. I also have a 9500 and a 9600pro sitting around on different machines. I gave the 9600pro to a buddy of mine, so he'd have a little more gaming power. Anyway, so he was wanting to know what it'd take to get to my level...i said about $1500...To get roughly the same playability i have. Anyway, so he came back asking what he could do to make his machine faster for Counter Strike...He's running a XP2000, 512x1 (and i threw in a couple of old 256 sticks too...so 1gb now), the 9600pro, and an old msi board of some via 266 flavour. I told him if he wanted to see a real improvement he's got bottlenecks right now at the fsb and the graphics card (not to mention the hd i gave him is crap...20gb prob 5400rpm...). Basically i built him a machine with some of my spare parts. He said he'd have to save up to get $230...So i'm not going to push the price on that. In fact i'm going to do whatever i can to bring that down. Anyway, so thats the low-down.

Thx again.

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AMD: [X2 3800+ down][64 3000+ down][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
October 26, 2005 10:02:45 PM

$1500?

Hell, a single 7800 GT and single Athlon64 3200+ should Bring him up to speed with your 3800+ X2 and a couple 6800GTs in SLI mode. Should be able to do it for under a grand.

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a b U Graphics card
October 27, 2005 1:54:20 AM

That 2000+ will be his bottleneck - he may not be able to take advantage of more than a 6800. This <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681..." target="_new">eVGA 6800</A> is $159 after MIR and might unlock to 16 pipes with Riva.

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October 27, 2005 3:49:22 PM

Good sweet god... how did I cock that one up?

It's fixed. Don't shoot!

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October 27, 2005 7:08:47 PM

1500 is what i said...i didn't give it any real thought...

He could get by with:
6800 vanilla...$180 or so..
mobo nf4...$110
512x2 $110
3200 $180
120gb $100
case and 24 pin psu $85-100 (maybe...prob a lil more on this one)
reuse: burner, keyboard/mouse, monitor, diskette

That comes out to $780 + 35 or so shipping... 815 give or take.


My system...
6800gtx2 $750
2xhs's for gt's $100
3800 $350
psu $120
2x1024 ocz $250
3 120mm sunon $40
19in mon $250
sb2 $100
tornado $10
xp90 $30
fan cnrl $30
mx1000 $70
keyboard $25
cd-burner $50
dvd-burner $50
mobo $150
speakers $120

...around $2495 for my complete system...He asked what it'd take to get one like mine...You can get most of what i have now for a lot less then when i payed for it. So i'd say it was fair saying $1500.

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Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
October 27, 2005 7:18:00 PM

Well, you give him the system you spec'd out, swap the graphics card for a 7800 GT for an extra couple hundred, and it'll up the ante on your two 6800's in a few games for less than a grand.
Then he sells his old crap and gets a couple bucks back, even.

Don't get me wrong, you've got a beautiful rig, a hellalot better than my own to be sure.

It's just that your spiffy X2 doesn't give extra gaming performance compared to it's single-CPU cousins, and the 7800 GT's are really, really good - good enough to challenge a couple 6800's in tandem here and there.

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October 27, 2005 8:37:00 PM

Yea the x2 doesn't do anything for me in regards to gaming (or very little anyway...), and sometimes hurts it. And that 7800 series is awesome. Right this second i don't even have both 6800's in, and at the same settings i'm now lagging a bit in cs (relatively...i can visibly notice a difference when i turn quickly...). I only have one in because i was trying to put my new hs's on those cards one at a time...but it turned out they didn't fit, and after a flurry of emails and pictures, i have a new set on the way, and my 6800 now sits without a hs on my desk at home.

In most bench's that 7800 high end (gt? or gtx...?) is just awesome. I had a funny look on my face when i read that last week...I think i was mouthing "Dammit"...then "time to overclock those bitches". Heh. But as is, they're overheating not oc'd at all. Hitting 90c. I've got a 120mm fan blowing out from over those two cards, because it was doing worse with it blowing on to it. =/ The hs should help some, but really it's an issue with air not circulating right. I've got an ungodly amount of fans in this machine, but it just isn't circulating. I think maybe i need to drill some holes in the bottom or something...maybe put another fan or two down there.

Basically when you have two cards...2-3 inches apart...both running anywhere from 50-90c, not to mention the chipset fan running 45c between the two, you get a very hot spot. Also, there is a fraction of an inch, between the cards and the hds...so air is cut off all the way across the case. I have a 80 blowing across the hd's out on to one of the gpus, and one directly below it blowing air in...so there ARE fans there...just not enough to make a difference. The side fan (120) blows hot air out, the two on top blow warm air out, 2 80s in back blow air on to the cpu, 2 in the psu blow out, 2 in the front blow in. Shew...the tornado on my xp90 and the 3 120s are on a fan controller. I have a wattage tester plugged in to the power coming out of the computer and while gaming i'm pulling about 210w, 222w with the tornado all the way up, 225w with all 4 fans all the way up. I haven't gotten to test that thing with the other 6800 in yet though. I'm pretty curious how much putting that one in would pull. That said, i only pull 130w when everything is just sitting there, and only 160w when i have just the two core's maxed. (obviously when gaming i'm only maxing one core...)

<makes a consious effort to stop typing...>

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AMD: [X2 3800+][64 3000+ down][2500+][2400+ down][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
October 28, 2005 2:45:18 PM

Yeah...

We need more guys like you on the forum to tell it like it is when it comes to overhyped dual graphics card setups. Too many people assume it's all roses & sunshine, and don't consider the PITA thay can be.

Well, you could always sell both of your 6800's and buy a nice 7800... :) 

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October 28, 2005 2:55:34 PM

=P

I still love my setup. She's a little more trouble then some women i've met (and god knows thats say'n somethin) but, she's mine and she puts out as often as i want her to. =D

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AMD: [X2 3800+][64 3000+ down][2500+][2400+ down][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by apesoccer on 10/28/05 11:00 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b U Graphics card
October 28, 2005 2:57:13 PM

Corsair TwinX 3200C2 is $114 at Newegg, but they had Patriot Sig series on sale for $70 (2X512). Chaintech VNF4 Ultra is $69.50. I've seen some deals on 250-300GB HDD for $95. Check out bensbargains.net - Newegg has a 74GB Raptor for $146 right now ($20 MIR).

I still like the <A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product..." target="_new">Enermax 535W Whisper II model EG565P</A> and <A HREF="http://www.directron.com/directron/201tblk.html" target="_new">Super-Flower SF-201T</A> for around $160 - great price/perf on that combo. You could get an Antec Sonata II for less, but the little extra is worth it in my mind.

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a b U Graphics card
October 28, 2005 2:59:41 PM

I don't want to know about any holes that you've found in your rig. Wingy will be here shortly I'm sure to "investigate" it more thoroughly. :wink:

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