I'm tired of seeing people rag on nvidia for buying 3dfx. It wasn't some ploy to take over the graphics industry, it was simple business. 3dfx hasn't challenged nvidia since the geforce came out. Even the tnt2 could hold it's own against the vodoo3. If anything, they saved the creative spirit of 3dfx by keeping all the r&d staff and technology and using them to further the quality of there products. If any company is the intel of graphics it's ati who put out halfbaked products with ramshackle drivers and show contempt to anyone who has a problem with that. So leave them alone and quit moanin cause now we get to reap the rewards of two great chip companies combined. Good fortunes to all, Diemos