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AMD Ships 40W Six-core 'Istanbul' Opterons

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August 31, 2009 7:56:06 PM

seriously? why not just release 8 core already? way to milk more people for money but w/e cool i guess i'd only be intrested for like a 16 threaded 8 core nehalem EX ftw
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August 31, 2009 7:56:10 PM

I wonder when AMD will make a 6 core Phenom?
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August 31, 2009 8:01:41 PM

1. I think Tom's should start their own business computing benchmarking. Many of us are really interested in how those server chips run in real world applications. Not just web server, file server, banking, data base and/or online trading, but also as game server (yeah those pesky laggs) and probably security servers.

2. AMD should be more specific on which types of application do need lower clock speed but more cores. I can imagine it is mostly around heavy virtualization.
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August 31, 2009 8:05:06 PM

IronRyan21I wonder when AMD will make a 6 core Phenom?
They will probably try as soon as possible since the Intel i9 are due Q1 of next year (I think).
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August 31, 2009 8:14:56 PM

Impulse: I suppose 6 cores fails to meet your needs, which I am sure are quite extraordinary, and can only be met by an 8-core, non-existant Core i7 chip. Some people might assume you're some punk 15y/o who plays games on a Pentium IV, but I'm sure that you're some brilliant IT worker with all sorts of crazy technical skill

/sarcasm
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August 31, 2009 8:18:22 PM

Uh, yay, I guess? The server market is where the margins are at and I guess this would be a high yield part so I suppose the price makes sense. Still, it's not very news worthy except perhaps to a certain niche of data center managers.
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Anonymous
August 31, 2009 8:18:28 PM

40w? Slap that baby in a laptop, the prestige and bragging rights would be almost unbearable...
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August 31, 2009 8:34:22 PM

AFAIK Skulltrail was a consumer platform, meant for the uber 1337 enthusiast with too much money. They're pretty expensive though, so I guess that's the reason it failed.

Back OT: I too look forward for AMD to release some more inexpensive chips for the consumer market with more than 4 cores, although I can imagine more cores aren't really necessary *yet* for consumers.
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August 31, 2009 8:35:45 PM

i wonder when amd will have an 8 core for consumer desktops

the intel i7 920 hs 4 cores with ht which run 8 thread, it's amazing

my amd 955 just cant keep up even with the overclocking...
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August 31, 2009 8:43:05 PM

bitageAFAIK Skulltrail was a consumer platform, meant for the uber 1337 enthusiast with too much money.
I think you are both right, skulltrail was some kind of bastard children of both. Most of the board was actually server-ish, but they added SLI/XFire support to it. In the end, I think the "server-grade" FBDIMM memory it required killed most the the performance for gaming applications...
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August 31, 2009 9:19:45 PM

1.8 GHz? = LAME
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August 31, 2009 9:30:43 PM

Ok, so a 40W ACP is nice, but what's the TDP? You know, since ACP does not equal TDP, and the latter is more important when planning the cooling for your servers ...
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August 31, 2009 9:31:34 PM

impulsive411Impulse: I suppose 6 cores fails to meet your needs, which I am sure are quite extraordinary, and can only be met by an 8-core, non-existant Core i7 chip. Some people might assume you're some punk 15y/o who plays games on a Pentium IV, but I'm sure that you're some brilliant IT worker with all sorts of crazy technical skill/sarcasm

8 cores really help in CFD.
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August 31, 2009 9:43:38 PM

dark_lord69: I think you missed the part about how this could be powered by a laptop battery. 6 cores at 1.8ghz at 40w is very, very good, but they also make Opterons in a 3.0ghz flavor for people like you. Does Intel, Sun, IBM, Via or anybody else make a 3.0ghz 6-core at 40w? Does Intel even have a 40w part that can compete?
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August 31, 2009 10:13:38 PM

There is no AMD 8 core proc. Its AMD 6 core then to AMD 12 core. Maybe they will make something new that will have 8 cores. Also does seem wierd its not a power of 2.
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August 31, 2009 10:13:53 PM

Oh yeah, and what about Intel's 65W 6-core Xeon? How does it compete against the newcomer?
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August 31, 2009 11:51:29 PM

AMD is...ok, and most of us experienced in the semi conductor industry know that the amd product is inferior to intel, from beginning to end. AMD is the subsidized (EU) intel wannabe.
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September 1, 2009 12:11:10 AM

Toms should do a cross generation shootout. say P4 @ 1.8 and all generations after at the same speed.
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September 1, 2009 12:26:21 AM

seems logical! Low power servers is important to companies!
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September 1, 2009 12:37:44 AM

jesus_freak69dark_lord69: I think you missed the part about how this could be powered by a laptop battery. 6 cores at 1.8ghz at 40w is very, very good, but they also make Opterons in a 3.0ghz flavor for people like you. Does Intel, Sun, IBM, Via or anybody else make a 3.0ghz 6-core at 40w? Does Intel even have a 40w part that can compete?

http://insidehpc.com/2008/09/18/intels-hexacore-product...
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September 1, 2009 1:04:28 AM

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AMD did point out that this processor is now available for $989, but might not be available off the shelf from larger system builders, meaning that those who want this power-conscious chip will have to make special custom orders.


Awe, with out out the big vendors me to dumb to install processor.

IronRyan21I wonder when AMD will make a 6 core Phenom?


Six core chips would beneficial for virtual machine servers; not sure what the benefits would be in a standard desktop.
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September 1, 2009 1:24:32 AM

Wow, a 6-core 40W. Impressive.
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September 1, 2009 2:47:47 AM

kaiser_25AMD is the subsidized (EU) intel wannabe.

Yeah! Subsidized because they... uh... didn't... get any EU money...
RAWR EU BAD! KAISER SMASH! SMISH!
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September 1, 2009 3:14:38 AM

kaiser_25: Intel really does break the law. Here's some bits about the fascist and very anti-competitive organization known as Intel, since we already know about the monopoly abuses:

plans to decide what is "truth" on the internet for you:
http://thespec.com/News/Business/article/626011

they've built fabs on stolen land:
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-intel.html

and these are the people that stole the land for them to build the fab on:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=4...

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/banned-on-youtube-isr...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133178

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1101158.html

http://www.counterpunch.com/shaaban08312009.html


Great people, right? Of course, you should never let your favorite corporation's immoral actions and questionable friends get in the way of your fanboyism. Please note that most of the articles come from that country's national newspapers, with the assumption that you're not reading it.
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September 1, 2009 3:36:26 AM

jsloani wonder when amd will have an 8 core for consumer desktopsthe intel i7 920 hs 4 cores with ht which run 8 thread, it's amazingmy amd 955 just cant keep up even with the overclocking...


Your AMD 955 can't keep up with my Q6600@3.6Ghz forget about i7
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September 1, 2009 6:05:44 AM

chaohsiangchen1. I think Tom's should start their own business computing benchmarking. Many of us are really interested in how those server chips run in real world applications. Not just web server, file server, banking, data base and/or online trading, but also as game server (yeah those pesky laggs) and probably security servers.

With the cost of these chips (usually $1000 or more) and its associated parts, I think you'd be able to build 2 or 4 consumer-grade computers. There's a reason Tom's benchmarks server chips for web server or database applications, because their cost would be recouped by running your business 24/7.

chaohsiangchen
2. AMD should be more specific on which types of application do need lower clock speed but more cores. I can imagine it is mostly around heavy virtualization.

Datacenters? Large databases? AMD already stated the target for these markets, I don't know how you could have missed that. It would be advantageous for apps that have thousands of micro requests/threads that could be completed with a low speed processor. Plus the heat decrease would be beneficial when you're running 50 of these in one room.
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September 1, 2009 6:12:56 AM

Actually those who are up to date with the bench marks between AMD phenom 2 x3 955 and in tell i7 720 , know that the 955 was able to hold it own against it, not beat it of course , and definitely destroy the Q6600 , but the phenom 2 x4 965 is much better
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September 1, 2009 6:32:15 AM

6 core at 40Watts is impressive...
But at $1000, a company is better off buying the higher clocked versions and buying a air conditioning unit for the server room... more money saved and more power...
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September 1, 2009 10:07:30 AM

40w 6core 1.8Ghz.... not impressive.

It maybe faster to have a higher clock quadcore that is also 40~50watt rating. The point of MORE cores is to get more computing power per socket... with reasonable power draws.
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September 1, 2009 10:55:26 AM

BUT CAN IT RUN CRYSIS
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September 1, 2009 11:34:34 AM

Vs. the 115 watt opteron. This chip saves 75watts when both are running at full tilt.

So, @ 12 cents a KWH this chip saves $79 a year. The price difference between the two chips is $989(40watt)-$700(115watt)= $290. It's going to take more than 3 years to see any savings and servers are replaced more often than that.

So... whupadedooo!!!

Any data-center manager at some company who buys this is just throwing money down the drain Vs. the standard chip.
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September 1, 2009 12:29:56 PM

kaiser_rollkaiser_25: Intel really does break the law. Here's some bits about the fascist and very anti-competitive organization known as Intel, since we already know about the monopoly abuses:p lans to decide what is "truth" on the internet for you:http://thespec.com/News/Business/article/626011they've built fabs on stolen land:http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-intel.htmland these are the people that stole the land for them to build the fab on:http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages [...] mNo=487412http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/ [...] be-israelihttp://www.israelnationalnews.com/ [...] spx/133178http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1101158.htmlhttp://... people, right? Of course, you should never let your favorite corporation's immoral actions and questionable friends get in the way of your fanboyism. Please note that most of the articles come from that country's national newspapers, with the assumption that you're not reading it.

dude, most of the biggest technological advancement comes from that "stolen" land which you refer to. for you it is stolen, for many others, it is home and/or not stolen. don't take this topic into political aspects because it isn't the place, the topic's purpose and if I'll look deep enough, I'll probably find that you are living on a stolen land too.
and intel does brakes the law more than once.
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September 1, 2009 12:50:19 PM

kaiser_25AMD is...ok, and most of us experienced in the semi conductor industry know that the amd product is inferior to intel, from beginning to end. AMD is the subsidized (EU) intel wannabe.

And may I ask what kind of experience do you have in the semiconductor industry to say such a stupid thing?
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September 1, 2009 1:41:44 PM

@Daggs: It's stolen either way. I would be totally against the genocide and land-theft of the Native Americans if I were living in America in the 1700s, but unfortunately, they're dead and gone now, so there's not any obligation to give it back at this point. However, the Israeli theft of land is still going on right now, and the rightful owners of the land are still alive(those that have not been murdered yet, anyways).

However, the Israelis are not descendants of the tribe of David(although the Palestinians are), they are descendants of the Khazars, who converted to Judaism in 1000ad. Furthermore, the Torah says they should only return to Israel when they accept a savior, which they have not. So what we have is a bunch of land-stealing, religious nuts, hell bent on genocide, supported by Intel, which is a great reason not to buy their CPUs.


I think what you're really trying to say is:

a) you're a zionist

and

b) you don't want people being educated on this


Which means this is a GREAT place to bring this up.
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September 1, 2009 1:50:07 PM

k1ss_my_arse@Daggs: It's stolen either way. I would be totally against the genocide and land-theft of the Native Americans if I were living in America in the 1700s, but unfortunately, they're dead and gone now, so there's not any obligation to give it back at this point. However, the Israeli theft of land is still going on right now, and the rightful owners of the land are still alive(those that have not been murdered yet, anyways).However, the Israelis are not descendants of the tribe of David(although the Palestinians are), they are descendants of the Khazars, who converted to Judaism in 1000ad. Furthermore, the Torah says they should only return to Israel when they accept a savior, which they have not. So what we have is a bunch of land-stealing, religious nuts, hell bent on genocide, supported by Intel, which is a great reason not to buy their CPUs.I think what you're really trying to say is:a) you're a zionistandb) you don't want people being educated on thisWhich means this is a GREAT place to bring this up.


1) I'm a proud israeli.
2) there are still descendant of indians in america
3) I won't be drawn into shifting this topic off it original topic, you may think what ever you want on me, I don't care, I'm here to talk about tech and not politics, there are other places where politics can discussed.

have a nice day.
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September 1, 2009 2:17:11 PM

@Daggs: FWIW, I have great affinity for the "chosen ones" that just want to listen to psytrance and get high, but it's the extremist settlers(only about 10-20% of the Israeli population) that I have a problem with. I don't hate them because they are Jewish, I hate them because they are deranged lunatics, and a menace to society.

There are plenty of Muslims and Christians in the world who are just as fanatical and dangerous, but Israel is currently the biggest threat to world peace, and every Intel CPU purchased contributes directly to that. Not that I'm openly calling for any kind of boycott of Israel, which is of course illegal in the US, thanks to our friends at AIPAC, who endlessly corrupt and manipulate our Congress.

PS: If anybody doesn't believe that it's illegal to boycott Israeli goods in the US:

http://www.boycottwatch.org/abi/divest002.htm
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September 1, 2009 4:51:54 PM

IronRyan21I wonder when AMD will make a 6 core Phenom?

now your talkin ;) 
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September 1, 2009 9:03:00 PM

k1ss_my_arseHowever, the Israelis are not descendants of the tribe of David(although the Palestinians are), they are descendants of the Khazars, who converted to Judaism in 1000ad.

Um, while I'm sure there is some Khazar ancestry in modern Israelis, I doubt it accounts for much of the gene pool. In fact I bet the majority of similarities with other groups would be with Palestinians, Lebanese, etc.

Even DNA evidence disproves that Khazar origin story for the Ashkenazi Jews: wikipedia, but with links to the original peer-reviewed papers.

You're welcome to any opinion about Israel you want, just please try not to base it off of that kah-raaazy bullshit you've been fed. The more level-headed and facts-based our opinions are, the more useful and likely to be correct they are. Hopefully you're not as allergic to education as you think Daggs to be.
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September 1, 2009 9:49:24 PM

lol a thousand dollars for 1.8 ghz
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September 1, 2009 9:56:12 PM

WheelsOfConfusion: Religion is a crock of shit anyways, especially the "big 3". It's a straw man argument no matter what, I'm an Atheist, I don't buy into their claims of "God's chosen people" regardless of ancestry, but per their religious texts, they shouldn't return the the "promised land" prior to accepting a savior. The Torah, the Bible and the Koran are all full of contradiction, but if you want to believe that God came and visited the ancient Palestinians with some rather bizarre wisdom, then power to you.

Palestinians originated Judaism and Christianity(as to say, Jesus and Judah were Arabs, no white folk there until the late 1800s when the early zionists began colonizing). So white folks coming and killing Jesus' direct descendants for being evil is just ridiculous. Regardless, the links I've posted speak for themselves, I'll leave you with this one:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/feelthehate.mp4

Nice kids, huh? Makes me feel like Americans are less douche-baggy

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September 1, 2009 11:43:24 PM

sidelActually those who are up to date with the bench marks between AMD phenom 2 x3 955 and in tell i7 720 , know that the 955 was able to hold it own against it, not beat it of course , and definitely destroy the Q6600 , but the phenom 2 x4 965 is much better


I don't know what benchmarks are you refering to, but you need to check the scores from game average FPS, and synthetic benchmarks of Q6600@3.6Ghz then talk shit. Another thing to mention, the 955 is a so-so overclocker barely going 3.8Ghz with 1.45V. Even at its max overclock it barely comes close to q6600 max overclock values.
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September 2, 2009 4:47:36 AM

anonymous_conceptionWheelsOfConfusion: Religion is a crock of shit anyways, especially the "big 3".

That's really neither here nor there, like, at all. The issue (which is a complete sidetrack from the article, really) was Israelis and Khazar descent: turns out it barely registers in the genes of modern Israelis. So, claim was made -> claim was testable -> claim was falsified. With science, no less!

By the way, two people have signed up today just to continue the line about Israelis and crazy conspiracy theories. Are you sure you're not sock accounts?
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September 2, 2009 11:46:26 AM

megabusterI don't know what benchmarks are you refering to, but you need to check the scores from game average FPS, and synthetic benchmarks of Q6600@3.6Ghz then talk shit. Another thing to mention, the 955 is a so-so overclocker barely going 3.8Ghz with 1.45V. Even at its max overclock it barely comes close to q6600 max overclock values.



If I were not at work I would post right now my cpuz screen shot that has my 955Be at 3.8Ghz on 1.34V so you are full of it. And if you would like we can start another thread and start posting benches if you would like me to prove that my 955 is better than your Q6600
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