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Anonymous
July 13, 2005 6:04:01 AM

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owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had changed!). I
performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD. All
went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of idle
mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried restart -
same problem.
can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that final
phase of booting up!.
Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
Many thanks
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:13:32 PM

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Hi

Boot into Safe Mode and have a look at the Event Viewer for any 'Errors'.
If any are found could you please post the Event ID and Source?

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
> owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had changed!). I
> performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD. All
> went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
> priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
> Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
> idle
> mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
> restart -
> same problem.
> can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that final
> phase of booting up!.
> Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
> Many thanks
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:13:33 PM

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Thanks, I will try that, but not at that PC until later this afternoon.
Will report and send as requested.
grateful thanks

"Will Denny" wrote:

> Hi
>
> Boot into Safe Mode and have a look at the Event Viewer for any 'Errors'.
> If any are found could you please post the Event ID and Source?
>
> --
>
> Will Denny
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
> Please reply to the News Groups
>
>
> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
> > owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had changed!). I
> > performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD. All
> > went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
> > priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
> > Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
> > idle
> > mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
> > restart -
> > same problem.
> > can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that final
> > phase of booting up!.
> > Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
> > Many thanks
>
>
>
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July 13, 2005 3:21:41 PM

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In addition to Will's suggestion, running a chkdsk /r would be highly
advisable. I hope you did that before reformatting also. It sounds very
possible that you have a failing hard drive.
--

"GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
> owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had changed!). I
> performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD. All
> went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
> priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
> Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
> idle
> mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
> restart -
> same problem.
> can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that final
> phase of booting up!.
> Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
> Many thanks
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 3:21:42 PM

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Thank you GTS for your suggestion also to Will's.
Unfortunately, I failed to do a chkdsk prior to reformatting as it did not
occur to me, oops!, so I will do one this evening and report back.
It did cross my mind that it may be the hard drive, but hoped this
re-install would cure the problem.
Be back soon - many thanks
( if you have any other suggestions to checking out the hard drive - would
be grateful for them ).

"GTS" wrote:

> In addition to Will's suggestion, running a chkdsk /r would be highly
> advisable. I hope you did that before reformatting also. It sounds very
> possible that you have a failing hard drive.
> --
>
> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
> > owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had changed!). I
> > performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD. All
> > went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
> > priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
> > Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
> > idle
> > mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
> > restart -
> > same problem.
> > can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that final
> > phase of booting up!.
> > Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
> > Many thanks
>
>
>
July 13, 2005 5:46:31 PM

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You're welcome.
re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable utility
for testing their drives. These are a good way to go. They may require a
floppy boot. If you don't have a floppy drive there are other options (e.g.
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ )
Some computers, such as recent Dells, have built in diagnostics accessible
in the boot process or from the BIOS, including a drive test.
--

"GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EEF6CD4F-577B-4F2C-AFBD-F5CBDAA3F742@microsoft.com...
> Thank you GTS for your suggestion also to Will's.
> Unfortunately, I failed to do a chkdsk prior to reformatting as it did not
> occur to me, oops!, so I will do one this evening and report back.
> It did cross my mind that it may be the hard drive, but hoped this
> re-install would cure the problem.
> Be back soon - many thanks
> ( if you have any other suggestions to checking out the hard drive - would
> be grateful for them ).
>
> "GTS" wrote:
>
>> In addition to Will's suggestion, running a chkdsk /r would be highly
>> advisable. I hope you did that before reformatting also. It sounds very
>> possible that you have a failing hard drive.
>> --
>>
>> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
>> > owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had
>> > changed!). I
>> > performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD.
>> > All
>> > went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
>> > priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
>> > Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
>> > idle
>> > mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
>> > restart -
>> > same problem.
>> > can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that
>> > final
>> > phase of booting up!.
>> > Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
>> > Many thanks
>>
>>
>>
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 7:33:04 PM

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Hi GTS & Wills - this is my report!
Firstly, a hard disk test "chkdsk /r" - message: "found & fixed one or more
errors on the volume" - restarted, but same problem.

Secondly, "Event viewer" (over 2 days of problems), both days reported as
follows:
error-source:D COM Cat:none event:10005 user:system ( 3 times )
error-source:Service Control Manager Cat:none event:7026 user: n/a ( once ).

Thirdly, Hard Drive is Maxtor 7Y250M0 SCSI HD, went to Maxtor site and found
two diagnostic utilities, one PowerMax I think was wrong one!, SCSIMAX would
only run with ASCI driver - I got stuck here - less knowledge!.

Finally, safe mode - system restore - back to new install and device drivers
only, but NO windows Security & High Priority Updates - and I'm back in!.

Sorry for the long-winded message, but hopefully you helpful chaps can glean
something from the above to advise the next move, could it be a Win update of
some sort?, not happened before, but always first time!.
By the way, "Event Viewer" after this restore had no errors to report!.

Look forward to your comments and many thanks!
Graham

"GTS" wrote:

> You're welcome.
> re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable utility
> for testing their drives. These are a good way to go. They may require a
> floppy boot. If you don't have a floppy drive there are other options (e.g.
> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ )
> Some computers, such as recent Dells, have built in diagnostics accessible
> in the boot process or from the BIOS, including a drive test.
> --
>
> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EEF6CD4F-577B-4F2C-AFBD-F5CBDAA3F742@microsoft.com...
> > Thank you GTS for your suggestion also to Will's.
> > Unfortunately, I failed to do a chkdsk prior to reformatting as it did not
> > occur to me, oops!, so I will do one this evening and report back.
> > It did cross my mind that it may be the hard drive, but hoped this
> > re-install would cure the problem.
> > Be back soon - many thanks
> > ( if you have any other suggestions to checking out the hard drive - would
> > be grateful for them ).
> >
> > "GTS" wrote:
> >
> >> In addition to Will's suggestion, running a chkdsk /r would be highly
> >> advisable. I hope you did that before reformatting also. It sounds very
> >> possible that you have a failing hard drive.
> >> --
> >>
> >> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6BD48913-C476-42E6-87D3-14FD34504491@microsoft.com...
> >> > owing to a BSOD and a corrupt 'C' drive etc (when nothing had
> >> > changed!). I
> >> > performed a reformat and clean install of XP(SP2) from my recovery CD.
> >> > All
> >> > went well and now starting again, installed drivers etc, and all high
> >> > priority updates from MS site. Several restarts without problem.
> >> > Left system running for a few hours, went back to it, brought it out of
> >> > idle
> >> > mode to find just the 'blue background', no menu or icons!, tried
> >> > restart -
> >> > same problem.
> >> > can get into 'safe mode' and all there, but will not complete that
> >> > final
> >> > phase of booting up!.
> >> > Would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
> >> > Many thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
July 14, 2005 3:00:32 PM

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That chkdsk result is fairly routine and probably OK. The main concern was
whether it would report any bad sectors. (The results of chkdsk are shown
in event viewer under Application / Winlogon event if you want to see it
again.) PowerMax is the more common Maxtor utility - used for IDE drives.
SCSIMAX is for SCSI drives which aren't all that common on home PC's. You
didn't say what the problem was with PowerMAX so I don't know what else to
say on that.

I haven't found any specific reference to those error codes. I would keep
an eye on the event log. It's a good sign that they haven't recurred and
may indicate things are OK now. It's hard to be sure at this point why your
system crashed so badly. A conflict with some Windows update is a
possibility. You might want to do those a few at a time now and see how it
goes.
--

"GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0EF0C10E-00DE-4618-A1B3-A4D354E949CF@microsoft.com...
> Hi GTS & Wills - this is my report!
> Firstly, a hard disk test "chkdsk /r" - message: "found & fixed one or
> more
> errors on the volume" - restarted, but same problem.
>
> Secondly, "Event viewer" (over 2 days of problems), both days reported as
> follows:
> error-source:D COM Cat:none event:10005 user:system ( 3 times )
> error-source:Service Control Manager Cat:none event:7026 user: n/a (
> once ).
>
> Thirdly, Hard Drive is Maxtor 7Y250M0 SCSI HD, went to Maxtor site and
> found
> two diagnostic utilities, one PowerMax I think was wrong one!, SCSIMAX
> would
> only run with ASCI driver - I got stuck here - less knowledge!.
>
> Finally, safe mode - system restore - back to new install and device
> drivers
> only, but NO windows Security & High Priority Updates - and I'm back in!.
>
> Sorry for the long-winded message, but hopefully you helpful chaps can
> glean
> something from the above to advise the next move, could it be a Win update
> of
> some sort?, not happened before, but always first time!.
> By the way, "Event Viewer" after this restore had no errors to report!.
>
> Look forward to your comments and many thanks!
> Graham
>
> "GTS" wrote:
>
>> You're welcome.
>> re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable
>> utility

<SNIP>
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 3:00:33 PM

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thanks for your reply, I will have to wait until I get home this evenng to
see if all is still running OK. As it was late last night I missed passing on
info which may have been of use.
I thought PowerMax was the wrong one as I tried it and could not understand
the result, consequently, I have read Maxtor's site today in more detail and
it is the right one as my HDD is an ATA serial model. So I will run this test
later.
one other puzzle was, reading the BIOS, the Primary Master & Slave said 'not
recognised' I think? and the Secondary M & S had my CD drives on. I thought
this odd at the time and must look at this again and change them to "Auto"
and see what happens. This might be also why the PowerMax gave me odd
readings.

Will take your advice on installing updates a few at a time, especially as
with a new install, this totalled 29!, I'm getting in the habit of a Sys
Restore nearly every time I do something, as this got me back, I hope to a
good point last night.

thanks again and will report back.

"GTS" wrote:

> That chkdsk result is fairly routine and probably OK. The main concern was
> whether it would report any bad sectors. (The results of chkdsk are shown
> in event viewer under Application / Winlogon event if you want to see it
> again.) PowerMax is the more common Maxtor utility - used for IDE drives.
> SCSIMAX is for SCSI drives which aren't all that common on home PC's. You
> didn't say what the problem was with PowerMAX so I don't know what else to
> say on that.
>
> I haven't found any specific reference to those error codes. I would keep
> an eye on the event log. It's a good sign that they haven't recurred and
> may indicate things are OK now. It's hard to be sure at this point why your
> system crashed so badly. A conflict with some Windows update is a
> possibility. You might want to do those a few at a time now and see how it
> goes.
> --
>
> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0EF0C10E-00DE-4618-A1B3-A4D354E949CF@microsoft.com...
> > Hi GTS & Wills - this is my report!
> > Firstly, a hard disk test "chkdsk /r" - message: "found & fixed one or
> > more
> > errors on the volume" - restarted, but same problem.
> >
> > Secondly, "Event viewer" (over 2 days of problems), both days reported as
> > follows:
> > error-source:D COM Cat:none event:10005 user:system ( 3 times )
> > error-source:Service Control Manager Cat:none event:7026 user: n/a (
> > once ).
> >
> > Thirdly, Hard Drive is Maxtor 7Y250M0 SCSI HD, went to Maxtor site and
> > found
> > two diagnostic utilities, one PowerMax I think was wrong one!, SCSIMAX
> > would
> > only run with ASCI driver - I got stuck here - less knowledge!.
> >
> > Finally, safe mode - system restore - back to new install and device
> > drivers
> > only, but NO windows Security & High Priority Updates - and I'm back in!.
> >
> > Sorry for the long-winded message, but hopefully you helpful chaps can
> > glean
> > something from the above to advise the next move, could it be a Win update
> > of
> > some sort?, not happened before, but always first time!.
> > By the way, "Event Viewer" after this restore had no errors to report!.
> >
> > Look forward to your comments and many thanks!
> > Graham
> >
> > "GTS" wrote:
> >
> >> You're welcome.
> >> re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable
> >> utility
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 3:45:03 AM

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OK, the story so far!
all booted up OK last night, completed settings, installed AVG.
installed all high-priority updates from MS in blocks of 4, each with a Sys
Restore.
all booted up OK and nothing to report in Event Viewer.
multiple restarts and all fine. switched off till morning.
power up today - froze at Win XP screen!, got into Safe Mode, Event Viewer
reports another DCOM with Event code: 10005.
Did not have time to do a Restore and see what happens, will have to wait
until this evening.
Bit baffled as what to do next?.
Question:
although the HDD is listed during 'boot up' sequence and also if I go into
BIOS, it's also listed in the 'Boot up' section, but still not listed under
Primary Master, it always says "not available", is this important as the HD
seems to be working OK?.
or could this be part of the problem?.

Not sure how to proceed now, so would be grateful for any suggestions.
Thanks again.

"GTS" wrote:

> That chkdsk result is fairly routine and probably OK. The main concern was
> whether it would report any bad sectors. (The results of chkdsk are shown
> in event viewer under Application / Winlogon event if you want to see it
> again.) PowerMax is the more common Maxtor utility - used for IDE drives.
> SCSIMAX is for SCSI drives which aren't all that common on home PC's. You
> didn't say what the problem was with PowerMAX so I don't know what else to
> say on that.
>
> I haven't found any specific reference to those error codes. I would keep
> an eye on the event log. It's a good sign that they haven't recurred and
> may indicate things are OK now. It's hard to be sure at this point why your
> system crashed so badly. A conflict with some Windows update is a
> possibility. You might want to do those a few at a time now and see how it
> goes.
> --
>
> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0EF0C10E-00DE-4618-A1B3-A4D354E949CF@microsoft.com...
> > Hi GTS & Wills - this is my report!
> > Firstly, a hard disk test "chkdsk /r" - message: "found & fixed one or
> > more
> > errors on the volume" - restarted, but same problem.
> >
> > Secondly, "Event viewer" (over 2 days of problems), both days reported as
> > follows:
> > error-source:D COM Cat:none event:10005 user:system ( 3 times )
> > error-source:Service Control Manager Cat:none event:7026 user: n/a (
> > once ).
> >
> > Thirdly, Hard Drive is Maxtor 7Y250M0 SCSI HD, went to Maxtor site and
> > found
> > two diagnostic utilities, one PowerMax I think was wrong one!, SCSIMAX
> > would
> > only run with ASCI driver - I got stuck here - less knowledge!.
> >
> > Finally, safe mode - system restore - back to new install and device
> > drivers
> > only, but NO windows Security & High Priority Updates - and I'm back in!.
> >
> > Sorry for the long-winded message, but hopefully you helpful chaps can
> > glean
> > something from the above to advise the next move, could it be a Win update
> > of
> > some sort?, not happened before, but always first time!.
> > By the way, "Event Viewer" after this restore had no errors to report!.
> >
> > Look forward to your comments and many thanks!
> > Graham
> >
> > "GTS" wrote:
> >
> >> You're welcome.
> >> re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable
> >> utility
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
July 15, 2005 5:35:05 PM

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Curiouser and curiouser... It is odd that the hard drive doesn't show as
Primary Master, but I tend to doubt that's the problem since Windows does
start to load and since you were running it that way in the past. Before
doing a system restore, what I would try next is disconnecting all
peripherals other than the monitor, keyboard, and mouse and seeing if that
makes a difference. I recently serviced a machine that was acting exactly
like yours and found the problem involved, of all things, a certain parallel
port connected printer. The fact that it does consistently boot in safe
mode implies either a device driver or software conflict. If that makes no
difference, I would also run msconfig and try a selective startup without
loading startup items.

DCOM errors are often very difficult to analyze, and often seem to be
harmless. I found a lot of mention of this one but no indication of it
being known to cause a boot failure.
--

"GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5A94B1AB-E046-4772-A378-2C0478ECE4C7@microsoft.com...
> OK, the story so far!
> all booted up OK last night, completed settings, installed AVG.
> installed all high-priority updates from MS in blocks of 4, each with a
> Sys
> Restore.
> all booted up OK and nothing to report in Event Viewer.
> multiple restarts and all fine. switched off till morning.
> power up today - froze at Win XP screen!, got into Safe Mode, Event Viewer
> reports another DCOM with Event code: 10005.
> Did not have time to do a Restore and see what happens, will have to wait
> until this evening.
> Bit baffled as what to do next?.
> Question:
> although the HDD is listed during 'boot up' sequence and also if I go into
> BIOS, it's also listed in the 'Boot up' section, but still not listed
> under
> Primary Master, it always says "not available", is this important as the
> HD
> seems to be working OK?.
> or could this be part of the problem?.
>
> Not sure how to proceed now, so would be grateful for any suggestions.
> Thanks again.
>
> "GTS" wrote:
>
>> That chkdsk result is fairly routine and probably OK. The main concern
>> was
>> whether it would report any bad sectors. (The results of chkdsk are
>> shown
>> in event viewer under Application / Winlogon event if you want to see it
>> again.) PowerMax is the more common Maxtor utility - used for IDE
>> drives.
>> SCSIMAX is for SCSI drives which aren't all that common on home PC's.
>> You
>> didn't say what the problem was with PowerMAX so I don't know what else
>> to
>> say on that.
>>
>> I haven't found any specific reference to those error codes. I would
>> keep
>> an eye on the event log. It's a good sign that they haven't recurred and
>> may indicate things are OK now. It's hard to be sure at this point why
>> your
>> system crashed so badly. A conflict with some Windows update is a
>> possibility. You might want to do those a few at a time now and see how
>> it
>> goes.
>> --
>>
>> "GBW" <GBW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:0EF0C10E-00DE-4618-A1B3-A4D354E949CF@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi GTS & Wills - this is my report!
>> > Firstly, a hard disk test "chkdsk /r" - message: "found & fixed one or
>> > more
>> > errors on the volume" - restarted, but same problem.
>> >
>> > Secondly, "Event viewer" (over 2 days of problems), both days reported
>> > as
>> > follows:
>> > error-source:D COM Cat:none event:10005 user:system ( 3 times )
>> > error-source:Service Control Manager Cat:none event:7026 user: n/a (
>> > once ).
>> >
>> > Thirdly, Hard Drive is Maxtor 7Y250M0 SCSI HD, went to Maxtor site and
>> > found
>> > two diagnostic utilities, one PowerMax I think was wrong one!, SCSIMAX
>> > would
>> > only run with ASCI driver - I got stuck here - less knowledge!.
>> >
>> > Finally, safe mode - system restore - back to new install and device
>> > drivers
>> > only, but NO windows Security & High Priority Updates - and I'm back
>> > in!.
>> >
>> > Sorry for the long-winded message, but hopefully you helpful chaps can
>> > glean
>> > something from the above to advise the next move, could it be a Win
>> > update
>> > of
>> > some sort?, not happened before, but always first time!.
>> > By the way, "Event Viewer" after this restore had no errors to report!.
>> >
>> > Look forward to your comments and many thanks!
>> > Graham
>> >
>> > "GTS" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You're welcome.
>> >> re. other drive tests - Most drive manufacturers have a downloadable
>> >> utility
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>
>>
!