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GTA 'Hot Coffee' Case Settled for $20 Million

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September 2, 2009 10:39:05 PM

fail rockstar
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September 2, 2009 10:40:10 PM

Didn't they learn anything from Oblivion?
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September 2, 2009 10:47:56 PM

Meanwhile, local roads are falling apart.
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September 2, 2009 10:49:44 PM

"Costed" is almost certainly the wrong form to be using.

Notice how much better "Hot coffee cost $20M" sounds. Now, some technical points in English do result in sentences which do not sound correct but are regardless. This is *not* one of those cases -- costed is an archaic word which deals with finding the cost of something.
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September 2, 2009 10:55:04 PM

joex444"Costed" is almost certainly the wrong form to be using. Notice how much better "Hot coffee cost $20M" sounds. Now, some technical points in English do result in sentences which do not sound correct but are regardless. This is *not* one of those cases -- costed is an archaic word which deals with finding the cost of something.

Im not going to lie... i looked at "costed" for a while as well, It just seems wrong.

I think it is proper, in this situation the sentence is referring to monies which were previously spent = Costed, not cost.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/costed

I dunno... Math is my strong subject

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September 2, 2009 10:59:06 PM

Just like i Drunk the beer.
I spent my Monies.

Its weird, no one uses it.. but it is correct.
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September 2, 2009 11:02:38 PM

So $19,000,000 goes to the lawyers. Who gets the rest?
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September 2, 2009 11:03:18 PM

$19,900,000 of that will be paid to the attorney representing the class action suit. 90,000 will cover the cost of administration and organization to hand the cash out. the remaining 10000 dollars will be split among the 1 million people who took part in the class action lawsuit. Their 10 cent reward will come in the form of a gift card redeemable only online at take two interactive.
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September 3, 2009 12:02:53 AM

I dont get how in any logical world, suing Rockstar for locked content has in any way made the world a better place. Once again this is a example of lawyers chasing a paycheck.

Whats even harder to believe is that we here in the US have allowed lawyers to take over our country. They are in both our legislative branch and our executive branch.

All the time it took for this case to come to fruition could have been used for some better purpose.
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September 3, 2009 12:08:38 AM

If you mod the game you can get anything in it...wasn't it rated M anyways, probably removed the sexual context the lazy way by locking it from the game just to make sure it doesn't get a rating which will make retailers not carry it like getting the AO rating, if you take apart a machine to get something like a knife to kill a guy it's hardly a thing to fret about the machine company about, you needed 3rd party intervention to get the material you voided the agreement so i find nothing wrong with just locking out the context.
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September 3, 2009 12:26:10 AM

"Costed" is definitely incorrect as used. It is a word, for sure, but it means something entirely different.
As an aside, "drunk" is also incorrect in the example given above, and "monies" is, at minimum, an awkward choice ("money" is correct there).
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September 3, 2009 12:40:27 AM

You know I noticed a word that kept repeating itself.. "Unauthorized modifications" Sooo I can take a turbo and crank the psi up to 20 and blow the engine sending shards of metal everywhere then sue the car maker because I did something not technically allowed. Or better yet to make this more intune. Can I sue EA because I put nude sims in the sims.
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September 3, 2009 1:33:39 AM

Yeah it's what i don't get i mean it's not like they put the "explicit content" in there for the purpose of letting people mod their way into access

probably was part of the game but scraped to get the proper rating of M or w.e
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September 3, 2009 2:05:19 AM

This was crap.. The game is intended for mature people.. WHAT THE HELL...
For the people who jumped on a fast dollar don't bitch when you pay more for games cause you ripp the company that worked their ass off to make a game.. (FOR ADULTS!!!!!!!
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September 3, 2009 4:03:28 AM

sicundercoverI dont get how in any logical world, suing Rockstar for locked content has in any way made the world a better place. Once again this is a example of lawyers chasing a paycheck. Whats even harder to believe is that we here in the US have allowed lawyers to take over our country. They are in both our legislative branch and our executive branch. All the time it took for this case to come to fruition could have been used for some better purpose.


I could not argee with you more. I what don't understand is (or maybe their lawyers are too lazy/smart enough to point this out) how is this not a violation to DMCA or DRM. The content was locked away so the only way to access it was to circumvent their protective measures. Doesn't that violate DMCA or DRM? Isn't that what people are being put in jail for? Now, follow me for a second, the only to access the content was to perform an "illegal" action. Shouldn't they company be protected since the way to access is technically illegal. Look at a can of air fresher. On it, it states that it is illegal to use it in a way that is not described on the can. If you use it to get high, you can't sue the company because you used it in an illegal manner. Isn't there a similarity here?

Disclaimer:
I do not endorse or approve of DMCA or DRM.
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September 3, 2009 5:08:05 AM

It's not the lawyers. It's the laws. The lawyers simply exploit them. We need to TOTALLY rewrite the justice code. The government is not responsible for every little problem. Read the preamble to the constitution, they give a good summary of what government was supposed to do. Stealing/vandalism and violent acts should be the only two prosecutable crimes and there should be no more civil court.
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September 3, 2009 6:37:56 AM

So what is that money going to be used for? Also who were the people or group that sued? I am confused as to what actually the makers of GTA do wrong? They added some steamy parts and then blocked with some sort of software. So if that is circumvented on the user side why is the maker of the game getting sued? It's like i put a lock on my door and then someone comes and breaks it and enters my home, then some how he injuries himself and then sues me for his injury while he broke into my home. Thats does not make any sense to me.
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September 3, 2009 7:14:26 AM

Probably worth double the fine in the amount of free advertising it got. If I thought for one second I would have had the amount of media exposure for a game because of the content I would have had a "hot coffee" mod in every game I ever produced from that point on...
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September 3, 2009 8:54:12 AM

What douche actually sued for this again? I mean really... Take Two should have sued for modifying game content.

It'll be in the EULA from now on, I'm sure....
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September 3, 2009 12:05:03 PM

i think the lawyers that pursued this lawsuit should be shot (anyone know who they are?) this is rediculous, they shouldve thrown this out of court simply because the people suing were parents upset their kids saw this....well the judge shouldve thrown them in jail for letting an underage kid play this game then having the balls to complain about it. not only that, but once you had to modify something to unloack it, it should be null and void.... i still have my gta:sa with hot coffee installed....and honestly it doesnt show much at all, but it is funny as hell
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September 3, 2009 12:32:33 PM

I also want to know who get´s to keep the money! Also if the content was blocked, and it could not be unlocked without direct consent or direct actions of the user, in this case he would need to directly responsible for unlocking the content so how does this makes the producers responsible?? What about the 3rd party methods to unblock it? Next we´re gonna see 3d fighting games producers suied because someone figure a way to remove the "clothes" of the female characters.....
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September 3, 2009 12:34:44 PM

Oh my god! Consentual sex ('love making') in a game where I expected only violence and antisocial behavior? What is the world coming to? I expect my violence to be uncontaminated by such niceness.
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September 3, 2009 1:25:24 PM

this whole thing was stupid to begin with. the freakin thing was only possible by hacking into the game which is illegal
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September 3, 2009 2:13:40 PM

lamorpaOh my god! Consentual sex ('love making') in a game where I expected only violence and antisocial behavior? What is the world coming to? I expect my violence to be uncontaminated by such niceness.

Agree!!!
So, killing people violently -- OK
beating them to death -- OK
Robbing -- OK
Sex scenes, Oh My GOD, my son is scared for life!!!

REALLY, get your priorities straight!!!
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September 3, 2009 2:21:09 PM

People had to go out of their way, use a 3rd party hack to access this content. If it was a cheat code or something, then there would be a base for a lawsuit, but the fact that it requires 3rd party intervention to be accessible makes this whole lawsuit asinine.

There are plenty other games with hidden levels, characters, content, etc which were ditched last minute because of development decisions and disappeared into the code never to be seen again. (So they thought)

Just because some hackers manage to dig the content up doesn't mean the company who made the game should be on the hook, they did their part to make it inaccessible to 99.9% of the population.
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September 3, 2009 2:21:33 PM

Kill, mame, blow-up, run over, stab, shoot. It's all ok.
But you can't see any naked bodies.
That's our world.. WOW.

This is a ridiculous lawsuit.

Besides, the only way they could see this, is if they Hack the system to see it.
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September 3, 2009 2:32:37 PM

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Im not going to lie... i looked at "costed" for a while as well, It just seems wrong.

I think it is proper, in this situation the sentence is referring to monies which were previously spent = Costed, not cost.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/costed


I think you're both wrong. It should be "costs" because "Hot Coffee" is singular, not plural.
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September 3, 2009 3:18:12 PM

Another sickening example of lawyers leeching off of hard working people.
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September 3, 2009 3:23:23 PM

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Another sickening example of lawyers leeching off of hard working people.


Or, another example of idiot programmers who thought they could inject porn into a video game without repurcussions? Don't read me the wrong way, I love the GTA franchise, but come on, they should have known better. This country is full of paranoid neo-Puritans who want sensorship at every turn. I'm cool with porn in the game but these guys should have known better. Actually, now that I think about it, God of War I and II both have the player actively please women with a series of control movements ("mini-game"), yet no protest there - WTF?
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September 3, 2009 3:59:31 PM

All this for a game released 3+ years ago? What about the new iterations of GTA? Lost and the damned has a full frontal male nudity scene (which I was pretty damn shocked by) in it. Is there going to be another lawsuit due to that?!
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September 3, 2009 4:04:52 PM

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All this for a game released 3+ years ago? What about the new iterations of GTA? Lost and the damned has a full frontal male nudity scene (which I was pretty damn shocked by) in it. Is there going to be another lawsuit due to that?!


Probably not. Is it me, or is there an underlying subtext to this legal mess? Should I say what many of us are thinking out loud? Is this because this game features African Americans in violent situations? Is that what's really going on here?

Like I said, God of War I and II show Kratos actually going down on two women at once, the camera turns a bit, but then you play a mini-game with several random moves which causes the females to reach climax - complete with moaning and "oohs" and "aahs" the whole time. Yet, no lawsuit. Maybe it's because Kratos is Greek???

I'm just sayin'...
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September 3, 2009 4:05:02 PM

Dave_69Or, another example of idiot programmers who thought they could inject porn into a video game without repurcussions? Don't read me the wrong way, I love the GTA franchise, but come on, they should have known better. This country is full of paranoid neo-Puritans who want sensorship at every turn. I'm cool with porn in the game but these guys should have known better. Actually, now that I think about it, God of War I and II both have the player actively please women with a series of control movements ("mini-game"), yet no protest there - WTF?


Thats a real stretch calling simulated cartoon sex porn. This game was M for mature, seems like legit adult content to me. Just because it was never used doesn't give anyone license to hack the program, which is a violation of the EULA. As crazy violent as this game is, this lawsuit is absurd. No child should be playing this anyway. Any parent who would let their kid play GTA to begin with has no ground to stand on as far as I'm concerned. GTA SA was a great game...for adults.
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September 3, 2009 4:09:33 PM

jangocat, I totally agree with you, don't get me wrong. (I will concede and call it "soft porn." Is that cool?) What I'm saying is that the programmers who inserted the racy scenes into the game were not using their noggins, especially knowing that somebody could hack their way into them. I believe the "M" rating on the game allows it to have as much sex in it as a dirty movie, myself. I'm just saying that in America, one has to be careful or the sensorship crowd will pounce on youl. Whether this "legal action" was warranted or not is another debate (personally, I don't think it is, but to each his own).
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September 3, 2009 5:51:28 PM

so what if they left the code in there? they didn't enable it. the only way to get it was to illegally hack into the game. funny thing was it was in the console versions too and the only way to get the modded GTA was to mod your console to play copied games
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September 3, 2009 6:41:15 PM

lazylazyjoeIt's not the lawyers. It's the laws. The lawyers simply exploit them. We need to TOTALLY rewrite the justice code. The government is not responsible for every little problem. Read the preamble to the constitution, they give a good summary of what government was supposed to do. Stealing/vandalism and violent acts should be the only two prosecutable crimes and there should be no more civil court.


As I was explaining above, the Lawyers are writing the laws. How many of the US presidential canidates in 2008 were Lawyers? How many awyers are in Congress? Besides congress doesnt even write the laws anymore they contract it out to "The Apollo Alliance" which is comprised of what.....Mostly Lawyers.

Fact: The Chairmen of The Apollo Alliance is Phil Angelides the former California State Treasurer and one of the main reasons California is in the financial crisis its in.

Fact: The New York Chapter Director of the Apollo Alliance is Jeff Jonesa founding member of The Weather Undergroundwhich for the ignorant, was an American grown terrorist organization that killed Americans in the 1960's.

Yea these are the people making the laws, not your elected representatives.
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September 3, 2009 7:12:13 PM

Utterly idiotic. Some people in this country (trial lawyers) won't stop until half the world sues the other half of the world. This is getting ridiculous. $20mm is no small amount. And how does money "compensate" those who have been exposed to this? 99%of the people who played the game and were offended probably don't even know of this lawsuit. There'll be a half-inch blurb on page C 32 of the NY Times inviting you to partake in this lawsuit and that's it. The damned lawyers are the only ones who benefit. And the unemployed jack@ss who started it all.
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September 8, 2009 1:00:09 PM

From what I just read on another site.
The Lawyers get a million dollars for compensation, the people who were "offended" get up to $35.00 .
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