GeForce 3... me don't care

[Guest]

By reading the THG article, I fall in love with GeForce3.
I'm geek and I want this very badly.
Unfortunately, nVidia only support toy OS.
I use BeOS, and it seems I can only wait for ATi Radeon2.

Long Live ATi for supporting BeOS.

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[noko]

ATI supports BeoS? Really? Don't know much about BeoS. Can you fill us in?

 

[Guest]

>ATI supports BeoS? Really?

According to this, ATi & 3DFx support BeOS.
http://www.benews.com/story/3760
http://www.benews.com/story/3587

>Don't know much about BeoS. Can you fill us in?

BeOS is a new OS created from scracth.
It's more advance than Linux (Linux is based on Unix)
and it's more advance than WinNT (NT is based on Windows)
You could find some BeOS news on
* http://www.benews.com
* http://www.beoscentral.com

Or download BeOS from:
* http://free.be.com
* http://www.gobe.com
* http://www.bebits.com

some BeOS tips:
http://ww.betips.net

NVidia say no to BeOS.
http://www.benews.com/story/3813



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[tfbww]

By "toy OS" I assume you mean those with an installed base greater than 10k. I'm sure if BEOS ever took off, then nVidia would support it. Seems kind of nonsensical right now. In fact, if I were ATI, I would worry about getting Win2k right before worrying about BEOS.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

Exactly. What's the point in supporting an OS that has hardly any users? Companies will support the one that will win them the most customers first and work down the list from there.

What's the point of using an OS that has NONE of the software support that I need? I think if any OS could be called a 'toy OS', it's BeOS. Think about it. It's written by a bunch of people with nothing better to do. It has crap for hardware support. It has crap for software titles. It's only used by people too cheap to pay the people that have worked hard to write good code. Even Linux is more accepted than BeOS, and it's only major selling point is the price. Yes, Linux is better than Windows in some ways. But it's user interface still needs a LOT of work to be as stong and user-friendly as Windows.

BeOS? It's the toyest of all the OS's out there.

Pah.

I'll use my Windows system and have my GeForce3 right when it comes out, thank you very much. And then I'll play every game that comes out then and supports it, all right then. I'll have driver revisions when they're needed. I'll have software patches when they're needed. Why? Because I use Windows.

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[Guest]

Well slvr_phoneix,
I wonder why you hate BeOS so much.
Every time I post some message in THG about BeOS.
You quickly make BeOS look ugly.

>Exactly. What's the point in supporting an OS that has hardly any users?

BeOS has more than 50,000 active user (use it as primary OS).
But that's not important.

>Companies will support the one that will win them the most customers
>first and work down the list from there.

That's absolutely right.
And Be doesn't asked nVidia to write driver for BeOS either.
Be just asked nVidia to give them document for writing a good driver for nVidia.
And will give the source back to nVidia after it's finnished.
Basically, Be give nVidia their enginner to wrote the driver.

>What's the point of using an OS that has NONE of the software support that I need?

There you go.
THG is not about *YOU*.
If you don't want to use BeOS that's fine.
But there might be other user that feel BeOS is for them.
Please don't discredit BeOS like this.
I was an OS/2 & Win95 user.
And then became full Win9x user.
Dual boot with BeOS for several months.
Then because full BeOS user.
And I do feel that BeOS has all the software I need.

>I think if any OS could be called a 'toy OS', it's BeOS.

Windows is the toy OS.
Some BeOS user that dual boot with Windows called Window a toy OS, because
they use BeOS for every day use & Window for play games.

>Think about it. It's written by a bunch of people with nothing better to do.

BeOS is not Linux.
BeOS is commercial OS that were written by the best OS team I ever known.
I used Linux, Windows, OS/2 & BeOS, and I feel BeOS is the best.
(I haven't tried QNX yet).

I dare you to post this crap on http://www.benews.com.

>It has crap for hardware support. It has crap for software titles.

It's not

>It's only used by people too cheap to pay the people that
>have worked hard to write good code.

What do you mean by that.
Could you give me some proved.
I've used BeOS for more than a year.
And this is the biggest BeOS FUD.

>Even Linux is more accepted than BeOS,
>and it's only major selling point is the price.
>Yes, Linux is better than Windows in some ways.
>But it's user interface still needs a LOT of work
>to be as stong and user-friendly as Windows.

Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user.

>BeOS? It's the toyest of all the OS's out there.
>Pah.

I wonder why you hate BeOS so much without ever trying it.

>I'll use my Windows system and have my GeForce3 right when it comes out,
>thank you very much. And then I'll play every game that comes out then
>and supports it, all right then. I'll have driver revisions when they're
>needed. I'll have software patches when they're needed. Why? Because I use Windows.

pitty you.
used by MS
tricked by MS

money gone to MS for nothing
brain wash by MS
pitty you.

Anyway,
Have you ever heard about 'user base'?
That's mean a company sometimes lose some to expand the user base.
And ATi doing a great job in BeOS.
nVidia will have a hard time in BeOS by the time they support BeOS.
Because BeOS user that buy ATi will remember nVidia reluctant in BeOS,
and will choose ATi over nVidia if the price/performance not far apart.

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[Guest]

>By "toy OS" I assume you mean those with an installed base greater than 10k.
>I'm sure if BEOS ever took off, then nVidia would support it.

I really hope so.
It seems a bit imposible right now because nVidia has been laid by MS.

>Seems kind of nonsensical right now.

See...
This is a chicken and egg problem (catch-22).

If BeOS wanted to success it should have supported A, B & C.
But in order A, B & C to support BeOS, it should be success first.

>In fact, if I were ATI, I would worry about getting Win2k right before worrying about BEOS.

You were right.
ATi doesn't build driver for BeOS.
But when Be talked to ATi that they want to support Radeon & Rage, ATi give Be the documentation.
Whereas, nVidia refuse to give Be the needed documentation to support TNT/GeForce.
And nVidia doesn't want to build for the driver either.

And nVidia already stated that they *WOULD* never support BeOS.
It's a pitty.
Such a great product, but I can't use (and won't recomended it to a friend either).

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[Guest]

See the ATi Radeon Benchmark (BeOS vs. Windows)
http://www.benews.com/story/3587

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[tfbww]

First off, I gotta tell ya, the BeOS chicken and egg paradox is not nvidia's to solve. If they really want to be a "company," then it rests on BE and BE alone. That nvidia doesn't want the hassle of working with BE to ensure that their drivers work for a puny 50k market seems to be a pretty wise decision, in my business opinion. It's not as simple as "giving the documentation" since, at the end of the day, someone has to support the driver.

Second, as for them saying "never," what any business means is "never until I think I can make a real profit in that market." If BeOS took off, by some miracle of God, then nVidia would have a driver out in 3 months time.

Third, what exactly is at this link if not a BEOS driver for all nvidia products? http://www.bebits.com/app/1622

Lastly, why wouldn't you recommend it to a friend who uses Win9x? Are you that petty that you'd rather have your *friend* get a lesser card because you chose a mickey mouse OS? (No offense to ATI, as the point is more whether this guy would actually be unbiased if the OS were different)

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[Guest]

This BeOS actually looks interesting, one problem....I play online games, surf the net, run a website and temp servers at time, and program (windows visual c++) as well as use basic word processing etc etc.....what can I use BeOS for, what is it compadible with?

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[Gog]

Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user

The newer versions of Linux (I use Caldera) is pretty damn good for home use. Runs all the games I play, GIMP is fantastic and I've never managed to crash it. Still have win 98 for some of the other software (Bryce, Truespace and a few games that don't support Linux).

But Linux is growing for home use. (BTW I use Caldera on my server too)

I have to admit the Beos disc that I have has never been in one of my machines - never had the time to try it out.

Hmmmm... Donuts

 

[Guest]

>First off, I gotta tell ya, the BeOS chicken and egg paradox is not nvidia's to solve.
>If they really want to be a "company," then it rests on BE and BE alone.
>That nvidia doesn't want the hassle of working with BE to ensure that their drivers work for
>a puny 50k market seems to be a pretty wise decision,

You were right here.

>in my business opinion. It's not as simple as "giving the documentation" since, at the end of the day,
>someone has to support the driver.

Be support all the driver that were in BeOS.
All the printer, video card, sound card, NIC driver were
supported under Be Inc.

>Second, as for them saying "never," what any business means is "never until I think I can make a real profit
>in that market." If BeOS took off, by some miracle of God, then nVidia would have a driver out in 3 months time.

You were right. But right now, nVidia has a very bad 'brand' in our community. People that defect from nVidia to ATi vows not to buy nVidia product anymore because they angry with nVidia attitude. And if ATi card can live up to what BeOS user expect. Brand loyalty on ATi will raise, and nVidia will have a hard time entering this market.

>Third, what exactly is at this link if not a BEOS driver for all nvidia products? http://www.bebits.com/app/1622

It's only 2D driver. And it were made by Be. Supported by Be Inc.
nVidia gave Be the 2D specs but not the 3D specs.

>Lastly, why wouldn't you recommend it to a friend who uses Win9x? Are you that petty that you'd rather have your
>*friend* get a lesser card because you chose a mickey mouse OS? (No offense to ATI, as the point is more whether
>this guy would actually be unbiased if the OS were different)

I'm sorry if I'm not clear. I don't really mean that.
If you read my other statement:
"Because BeOS user that buy ATi will remember
nVidia reluctant in BeOS, and will choose ATi
over nVidia if the price/performance not far apart."
I mean:
If ATi card and nVidia card price/performance not far apart.
Then I will defenetely suggest ATi card. For example.
I recomend ATi Radeon 32MB DDR over GeForceMX. And I
recomend ATi Radeon 64MB DDR over GeForce2GTS. But if
my friend wanted more power such as GF2Ultra or the
new GF3, then nVidia is the only choice.

PS:For your information I use TNT2Ultra right now.
And I want to upgrade a video card.
I *WOULD* like to buy GeForce 2/3 if I can, because
I like nVidia product. And I know the quality is perfect.
(that's why I wrote in this forum.... hey nVidia please hear me).
I never use ATi before and I don't have any experience with it.
I'm scared of using ATi product.
But if I bought Radeon, and statisfied with Radeon,
Then the next card (after the Radeon) will be ATi card.
(Because I tend to buy from the same manufacture if I statisfied).

PPS: I complaint here because I love & care nVidia. And time is running out for my upgrade cycle

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[Guest]

>This BeOS actually looks interesting, one problem....I play online games, surf the net,
>run a website and temp servers at time, and program (windows visual c++) as well as use
>basic word processing etc etc.....what can I use BeOS for, what is it compadible with?

Well, BeOS is new.
And it doesn't have all kind of software.
If you want to use BeOS right now, you can only use it for
surf the net (Mozilla 0.8, Opera 3.62, N+), run a web site (Robin Hood, Apache). Basic Word Processing (Gobe, Abi Word).
To program you will need BeIDE (free from http://free.be.com), but it's not compatible with Windows.
About online game, you can't use it with BeOS yet. That's why some of us still have Windows & BeOS at the same time. And that's why I called Windows the toy OS.


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[Guest]

>>Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
>>Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
>>BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user

>The newer versions of Linux (I use Caldera) is pretty damn good for home use. Runs all the games I play,
>GIMP is fantastic and I've never managed to crash it. Still have win 98 for some of the other software
>(Bryce, Truespace and a few games that don't support Linux).
>But Linux is growing for home use. (BTW I use Caldera on my server too)

You right.
Linux is going better and better for home use.
And the number of user growing too.
But from easy of use, easy of maintain BeOS still wayyy ahead of Linux in home use. BeOS even more user friendly than MacOS.
(I knwe it, several of my friend use Linux as home desktop)

>I have to admit the Beos disc that I have has never been in one of my machines - never had the time to try it out.



Linux for Server
BeOS for home use.
BeOS/Linux beat Win9x/WinNT

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[Guest]

Replying to my self

>If ATi card and nVidia card price/performance not far apart.
>Then I will defenetely suggest ATi card. For example.
>I recomend ATi Radeon 32MB DDR over GeForceMX. And I
>recomend ATi Radeon 64MB DDR over GeForce2GTS. But if
>my friend wanted more power such as GF2Ultra or the
>new GF3, then nVidia is the only choice.

Or I could tell my friend that asked me for advice to wait for Radeon2.

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[Gog]

Just out of interest take a look at this link

http://www.bebits.com/app/1622

Oh no it's a unified nVidia driver for BEos! How did I find it - from the nVidia website - isn't life complicated!


Hmmmm... Donuts

 

[Guest]

>Just out of interest take a look at this link
>http://www.bebits.com/app/1622
>Oh no it's a unified nVidia driver for BEos!
>How did I find it - from the nVidia website - isn't life complicated!

Be made this driver.
This driver is 2D only. Because nVidia only gave Be the 2D specs.
When BeOS run any OpenGL 3D, it render in software (slow).

Whereas the Radeon & V5 will have driver that support both 2D & 3D.

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[tfbww]

LOL, well this begs the question: why do you need a GF2 to run those things? Heck, why bother upgrading from the TNT2? You certainly don't need a Radeon either.

You've really made nvidia's point for them: there is no viable reason for them to develop or support BEOS drivers since they have neither the market nor the apps that would take advantage of it.

If you want to use BeOS right now, you can only use it for surf the net (Mozilla 0.8, Opera 3.62, N+), run a web site (Robin Hood, Apache). Basic Word Processing (Gobe, Abi Word). To program you will need BeIDE (free from http://free.be.com), but it's not compatible with Windows.
About online game, you can't use it with BeOS yet. That's why some of us still have Windows & BeOS at the same time. And that's why I called Windows the toy OS.

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[Guest]

>LOL, well this begs the question: why do you need a GF2 to run those things?
>Heck, why bother upgrading from the TNT2? You certainly don't need a Radeon either.

I want to run game at 1024x768x32bpp


>You've really made nvidia's point for them: there is no
>viable reason for them to develop or support BEOS drivers
>since they have neither the market nor the apps that would take advantage of it.

Right.
But the day will came for sure.
BeOS right now is like Linux 2 years ago -- No company wanted to support it.

I'm waiting for Black & White (a game) that will run on Windows, BeOS, Linux, MacOS.
And by the time the game ships, nVidia were far too late.


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[rcf84]

I use Beos for listen to mp3 and cd's. While using my ATI RADEON to play Quake2 in beos.

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[slvr_phoenix]

You're just WAY over-dramatic about your precious BeOS. As we went through last time.

I never said anything like, "BeOS sucks."

You complain that, "Every time I post some message in THG about BeOS. You quickly make BeOS look ugly."

Well, maybe that in itself should say a LOT. After all, it isn't like it even takes effort to make it look ugly. It IS ugly. It's based on some interesting concepts, I'll give it that. But it's implementation is so horrible that in reality, it's in no way better than Linux or Windows.

I just thoroughly prove why it's such a pitiful waste for most people. A very rare few find any actual use for it. It has crap for hardware support and crap for software.

Why do people need to set up dual boot systems with it? Because it doesn't meet their needs. It's just THAT simple.

I mean let's face it, does it offer ANY advantage to anyone? Price. That's it.

I'd rather use Linux than BeOS.

And for your information, I happen to dislike Microsoft greatly. They write buggy code and charge people for upgrades that should have been free service patches.

But I'd like to see anyone prove that MS doesn't hold the world by the balls. They have the vast majority of software titles, and their OS is easier to use than any version of Linux I've seen.

One day Linux will finally get that part of their code together, and it might even one day compete strongly with Windows. But to do that the Linux communities are going to have to agree upon some standards and work together instead of against each other.

Meanwhile, BeOS has what? In theory, it sounds useful. In practice, it isn't. And in support of hardware and software, it's crap.

Do I need a whole new OS just to run a word processor or an email program or to surf the net? Hell no! Who in the world is insane enough to set up a dual boot for that?! Well, according to you 50,000 people. Let's see, compared to the population of the Earth that's how many percent? Hmm ... do decimal places go down THAT far? **ROFL**

Don't get me wrong. If YOU find BeOS useful, that's nice.

If people want to use BeOS, they have every right to. I won't even so much as say that they shouldn't.

But to go around calling BeOS the best OS ever when it's so useless to so many people, well, I just can't stand for anyone trying to warp people's minds like that.

You sit there and call me under Microsoft's control when I can sit down and name off a mile long list of complaints that I have against Microsoft and when I root for Linux. You obviously don't have even a quarter of a clue who I am or what I think. So don't YOU go telling ME what I think. Got that you moron?

And for Pete's sake, stop turning this forum into an advertising campaign for BeOS. If people want to try it, they will. You don't have to cram it down their throats.

So go off and play with your little toy OS, because you obviously have no idea about anything and have nothing intelligent to say. You couldn't make one good argument for why anyone should use BeOS before, and I doubt you ever will.

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[mm2k]

I agree BeOS is quite good but f-all hardware works with it. I tried it, liked the speed, hated not being able to do anything with it, uninstalled it. Linux is the biggest pile of shite I have ever installed on my system. Microsoft rules. At least they can produce an operating systems that you can do something useful with. Though I admit it can be a bitch - most of the time, but if MS got the think fixed like people want there would be no competition - not that there's much now. Roll-on Whister.

 

[Guest]

>You're just WAY over-dramatic about your precious BeOS. As we went through last time.
>I never said anything like, "BeOS sucks."

Liar...
When I first post in THG about dual motherboard.
I wrote that I want THG to test dual processor mobo with several OS.
And please compare it with: NT4/2000, Linux kernel 2.3/2.4 (more is better), BeOS R4.5/R5.
I want to know which OS is better in Dual processor env.
I have read a lot about this, but never read it from hardware reviewer that I trust the most
(THG).

When I post for THG to benchmark with those OS,
you then discredit BeOS.
You wrote that THG shouldn't use/try BeOS because nobody use it, it's crap, not supporting your hardware, and not supporting your software. Now you want to tell the other way around??? LIAR

I don't expect Tom or other THG reviewer use BeOS as their everyday OS.
I just want to tell THG that one of their reader use BeOS, and want them
to include it in dual processor test, because Be claim that BeOS is the best in dual env.
And I don't know if it's true.

>You complain that, "Every time I post some message in THG about BeOS.
>You quickly make BeOS look ugly."
>Well, maybe that in itself should say a LOT. After all, it isn't like it even takes effort to make it look
>ugly. It IS ugly. It's based on some interesting concepts, I'll give it that. But it's implementation is so
>horrible that in reality, it's in no way better than Linux or Windows.

See what I mean....
You always over react when I posted about BeOS.
I read that MS paid people to post in newsgroup.
And if someone said you is one of them, I would believe it.

>I just thoroughly prove why it's such a pitiful waste for most people. A very rare few find
>any actual use for it. It has crap for hardware support and crap for software.

Another MS FUD??

>Why do people need to set up dual boot systems with it?
>Because it doesn't meet their needs. It's just THAT simple.

Because the OS is good, that's why they use it for most of the task.
But unfortunately, it lacks some apps that make them dual boot for a while.

>I mean let's face it, does it offer ANY advantage to anyone? Price. That's it.
>I'd rather use Linux than BeOS.

Linux is more free than BeOS.
Your post here has no point.
Another FUD by slvr_phoenix the liar man.

>And for your information, I happen to dislike Microsoft greatly.
>They write buggy code and charge people for upgrades that
>should have been free service patches.

Well,
I happend to like MS.
I grown up with Windows 3.x/9x.
And I believe is their right to give/charge people for upgrade.
And although MS OS is not as good as other, they
know how to market it with good apps to make it good.

I use BeOS just because BeOS has more power, not because I hate MS.

>But I'd like to see anyone prove that MS doesn't hold the world by the balls.
>They have the vast majority of software titles, and their OS is easier to
>use than any version of Linux I've seen.

That's because they have been in these market longer than any other OS.
So they have more software titles.

>One day Linux will finally get that part of their code together, and it might even one
>day compete strongly with Windows.

I agree with you.

>But to do that the Linux communities are going to have to agree upon some
>standards and work together instead of against each other.

Not neceseraly.
This is what MS want other to believe.
This is MS FUD.
MS want discourage other to use Linux by saying that if Linux is not agree to some
standard then Linux is not good.

>Meanwhile, BeOS has what? In theory, it sounds useful. In practice, it isn't.

The OS has the most potential of all other OS out there.
It's usefull in practice. But it's lack some apps.
And THG as reviewer site should look into this wheter is it good or not,
whether is usefull or not.

>And in support of hardware and software, it's crap.

FUD again MR. phenix?

>Do I need a whole new OS just to run a word processor or an email program or to surf the net?
>Hell no!

Yes you right.
You don't need too.

>Who in the world is insane enough to set up a dual boot for that?!
>Well, according to you 50,000 people.

Not everybody created equal.
For average joe user Windows is good enough, because it has all their need.
But for some geek, we want more.
We want pure power.

>Let's see, compared to the population of the Earth that's how many percent?
>Hmm ... do decimal places go down THAT far? **ROFL**

good religion doesn't counted by their follower.
Could you say religion A is better than B because having more follower?

>Don't get me wrong. If YOU find BeOS useful, that's nice.
>If people want to use BeOS, they have every right to.
>I won't even so much as say that they shouldn't.

>But to go around calling BeOS the best OS ever when
>it's so useless to so many people, well, I just can't stand
>for anyone trying to warp people's minds like that.

Well,
let me repeat this one more time.
BeOS is stand for Best ever Operating System.
And it is....

The OS is great.
The apps is not there yet.

>You sit there and call me under Microsoft's control when I can sit down
>and name off a mile long list of complaints that I have against Microsoft
>and when I root for Linux. You obviously don't have even a quarter of
>a clue who I am or what I think. So don't YOU go telling ME what I think.
>Got that you moron?

People judge you by your act, not what your think.
When I read your post in this forum, I can say that you 100% against BeOS for no reason.

You just said it's bad, and you tell me to back off writing in this forum when I urging
THG to review it for dual mobo (from our battle in dual mobo forum).
Because BeOS doesn't run on your hardware, because your software can't be run in BeOS,
because you said BeOS is sux.

So, based on your post..... I judge you

>And for Pete's sake, stop turning this forum into an advertising campaign for BeOS.
>If people want to try it, they will. You don't have to cram it down their throats.

I don't running an advertise for BeOS.
And I hope you don't run anti-BeOS advertise.
You were the one who want to force people to think that BeOS is so bad. You were the moron.

>So go off and play with your little toy OS, because you obviously have no idea about
>anything and have nothing intelligent to say.

Ever learn the art of Zen?
You learn more by learning other.
I learn more about Windows when Using BeOS.
Because when I use BeOS I know what windows lack.

This is what inteligent are.
Do you know whistler has a feature that it stole form BeOS.
The feature is in BeOS since 1999.
MS sure know the art of Zen.
But I bet a moron like you didn't know anyting.

>You couldn't make one good argument for why anyone should use BeOS before,
>and I doubt you ever will.

Because there were no good reason why anyone should try BeOS.
BeOS is just like another OS (Linux, Windows, QNX, MacOS)... you named it.
There were no reason for other to change OS if the one they use is OK.

But, for reviewer like THG, using/learning multiple OS is a must.
Because THG can learn more by using multiple OS,
and THG can have more knowladge to share with it's reader.

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[Guest]

>I agree BeOS is quite good but f-all hardware works with it.
>I tried it, liked the speed, hated not being able to do anything with it,
>uninstalled it. Linux is the biggest pile of shite I have ever installed on
>my system. Microsoft rules.


I also hate for lack of software in BeOS.
Right now, I got all software I need in BeOS except game.
I want to be able to play new game.

>At least they can produce an operating systems that you can do something useful with.
>Though I admit it can be a bitch - most of the time, but if MS got the think fixed like
>people want there would be no competition - not that there's much now. Roll-on Whister.

Well,
the MS OS is not as good as Linux/BeOS
But MS Apps make MS OS looks usefull.
It's the apps that joe user count, not the potential of OS.
For Geek, it's the potential of the OS that count.
That's why geek love Linux or BeOS.

Get BeOS (http://free.be.com)
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[mm2k]

Fair enough, but then - what is the point of having a computer that has 'potential' but can't actually do anything as it is? Thats stupid! It's like buying a car without an engine and saying 'well it has the potential to go really fast, but right now all we can do is sit in it'.

I know people like to fiddle with things, and I am no exception any interesting looking bits of software I like to try out, but most only end up being used once or twice because in the real world, they simply aren't very useful. If only OS like BeOS had more software and hardware support it might be a different matter, but even then, you are never gonna have the kind of support that Microsoft has, just because they have been around for so long.

Linux is still crap. No-one can convince me otherwise.