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April 17, 2004 8:34:05 AM

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http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740

Nextel Communications Inc.'s decision earlier this week to expand its
wireless broadband network trial in the Raleigh, N.C., market may have
proven well founded as network testing conducted by RBC Capital
Markets indicated Flarion Technologies' Flash-OFDM based technology is
providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO
networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.
April 17, 2004 11:39:15 AM

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On 17 Apr 2004 04:34:05 -0700, KS4VT@yahoo.com (MarkF) wrote:

>http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740
>
>Nextel Communications Inc.'s decision earlier this week to expand its
>wireless broadband network trial in the Raleigh, N.C., market may have
>proven well founded as network testing conducted by RBC Capital
>Markets indicated Flarion Technologies' Flash-OFDM based technology is
>providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO
>networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.

If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text:

"The speeds were triple the 329 kbps average throughput similar
testing produced using Verizon Wireless?f EV-DO network/..."

But it uses 4 times the bandwidth. So, it's less spectrally efficient.
Spectrum costs $$$.

Since Nextel's rolling out the service on MMDS bands (not cellular),
if Nextel doesn't have MMDS spectrum in your market, don't plan on
having the Flarion based service. There will be very few markets that
ever have it.
April 17, 2004 1:02:13 PM

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<paul@wren.cc.kux.edu> wrote in message
news:s69280tcfgtftg9hcfds3m31ulle94j5mn@4ax.com...

> If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text:
>
> "The speeds were triple the 329 kbps average throughput similar
> testing produced using Verizon Wireless?f EV-DO network/..."
>
> But it uses 4 times the bandwidth. So, it's less spectrally efficient.
> Spectrum costs $$$.
>
> Since Nextel's rolling out the service on MMDS bands (not cellular),
> if Nextel doesn't have MMDS spectrum in your market, don't plan on
> having the Flarion based service. There will be very few markets that
> ever have it.

I didn't see the MMDS part in the article. Did you find that somewhere else?
Since one of Nextel's problems is lack of spectrum it would seem they would
need to run it in some other band.
Anonymous
April 17, 2004 10:30:37 PM

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Sounds like "Vaporware"....will believe it when it's REALLY available.
Nextel's coverage in rural areas and off the "beaten" path has been dismal
to say the least. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to impliment THIS
feature anytime soon.....Eddie (was a Nextel customer for 18 months)

"MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35b1619d.0404170334.59db1c79@posting.google.com...
> http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740
>
> Nextel Communications Inc.'s decision earlier this week to expand its
> wireless broadband network trial in the Raleigh, N.C., market may have
> proven well founded as network testing conducted by RBC Capital
> Markets indicated Flarion Technologies' Flash-OFDM based technology is
> providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO
> networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.
April 18, 2004 3:47:33 PM

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:02:13 -0400, "George" <George@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>
><paul@wren.cc.kux.edu> wrote in message
>news:s69280tcfgtftg9hcfds3m31ulle94j5mn@4ax.com...
>
>> If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text:
>>
>> "The speeds were triple the 329 kbps average throughput similar
>> testing produced using Verizon Wireless?f EV-DO network/..."
>>
>> But it uses 4 times the bandwidth. So, it's less spectrally efficient.
>> Spectrum costs $$$.
>>
>> Since Nextel's rolling out the service on MMDS bands (not cellular),
>> if Nextel doesn't have MMDS spectrum in your market, don't plan on
>> having the Flarion based service. There will be very few markets that
>> ever have it.
>
>I didn't see the MMDS part in the article. Did you find that somewhere else?
>Since one of Nextel's problems is lack of spectrum it would seem they would
>need to run it in some other band.

http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News&file...

Look about 1/4 way down the page.

http://www.equitekcapital.com/Investorinfo/Webpageconte...

Looks like they've shifted to 1.25 MHz of spectrum instead of 5. (They
used to offer it in 5 MHz.)

http://www.flarion.com/news/pr_2004/031704.asp
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 2:24:17 PM

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The whole point is that they already have made it available and it is
the fastest mobile wireless data service to date. The trial in N.C.
was recently 'cut short' in that it was working so well they have
started accepting paying customers.

Pricing was posted in another thread but it ran from $35/month for
slower MB limited plans to $80 for full speed unlimited plans.

Does anyone have a list of markets in which Nextel owns the spectrum
to support this service?

-D

"Eddie Haskel" <wiseguy@clever.com> wrote in message news:<hJegc.52482$Z4.38691@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
> Sounds like "Vaporware"....will believe it when it's REALLY available.
> Nextel's coverage in rural areas and off the "beaten" path has been dismal
> to say the least. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to impliment THIS
> feature anytime soon.....Eddie (was a Nextel customer for 18 months)
>
> "MarkF" <KS4VT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:35b1619d.0404170334.59db1c79@posting.google.com...
> > http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740
> >
> > Nextel Communications Inc.'s decision earlier this week to expand its
> > wireless broadband network trial in the Raleigh, N.C., market may have
> > proven well founded as network testing conducted by RBC Capital
> > Markets indicated Flarion Technologies' Flash-OFDM based technology is
> > providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO
> > networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 4:21:46 PM

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Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which
spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in
the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR
800, MMDS, or PCS.

Additionally, the Flarion documentation is somewhat vague as to
whether FLASH-OFDM deployment requires 1.25 MHz paired FDD
(frequency-division duplex) for a total spectrum outlay of 2.5 MHz or
625 KHz paired FDD for a total of 1.25 MHz. Flarion ambiguously
states 1.25 MHz FDD, though I would suspect the former, that 1.25 MHz
"green field" spectrum is required for each of the forward &
reverse-links.

As its name would suggest - Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiplexing
- it is a frequency-division interface, but the precise tonal spacing
required for frequency-orthogonality eliminates as a possibility the
interleaved portions of Nextel's SMR 800 MHz spectrum - the same
spectrum intertwined w/ public safety channels that Nextel wishes to
return to the FCC in exchange for a nationwide 10 MHz PCS license.
However, assuming that disregard of the established 25 KHz
channelization would be permitted under SMR regulations, the
contiguous 5 MHz paired of the SMR 800 A-C licenses or the 3.75 MHz
paired of the D-FF licenses - all of which are typically held by
Nextel - could be utilized for FLASH-OFDM deployment, albeit at the
great expense of iDEN capacity, which makes SMR spectrum utilization
unlikely.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/800smrb...

As Craig has astutely pointed out, Nextel has acquired a sizeable
holding of MMDS (Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System)
spectrum, largely through the bankruptcy purchase of WorldCom's MMDS
assets. The MMDS spectrum in the 2.6 GHz band was not originally
designed for two-way transmission. It is not paired FDD. But two-way
data communication has been approved by the FCC. And the 6 MHz
channelization (designed for 6 MHz NTSC analog TV channels) is large
enough that FLASH-OFDM FDD operation could possibly be contained w/in
a channel or certainly w/in separate channels w/in the MMDS band.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/mdsband...

Finally, others have reported that Nextel is leasing PCS spectrum for
the FLASH-OFDM trial in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The PCS A & PCS B
licenses in MTA006 are AT&TWS & Cingular, respectively, neither of
which would be likely to lease any of their spectrum to competitor
Nextel. The same could be said of Sprint PCS, the PCS D licensee in
BTA368. That leaves the BTA368 PCS C, PCS E, & PCS F licensees:
Urban Comm - North Carolina, ALLTEL, & Comscape Telecommunications of
Raleigh-Durham, respectively.

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...

ALLTEL as well is certainly a competitor to Nextel, but ALLTEL
controls the Cellular B-side license in the Raleigh-Durham CMA, hence
its PCS spectrum in that market could be expendable. The more likely
contender, though, would be either of the two entrepreneurial
companies, about which little information seems to be available.

Andrew
--
Andrew Shepherd
cinema@ku.edu
cinema@sprintpcs.com
http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 1:19:28 AM

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On 21 Apr 2004 12:21:46 -0700, cinema@ku.edu (Andrew Shepherd) wrote:

>Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which
>spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in
>the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR
>800, MMDS, or PCS.

PCS.


Regulators Mulling Nextel Spectrum Proposal
BY REINHARDT KRAUSE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY, Monday, March 8, 2004

<snip>

"However, Nextel is testing a wireless data network developed by startup
Flarion Technologies. The trial, in North Carolina, uses gear that operates
at 1.9 GHz."

<snip>


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WFHSG/message/5540


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Anonymous
April 24, 2004 6:48:14 AM

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yeltrabnhoj@email.com wrote in message news:<4086e51e.21787468@news.individual.de>...

> PCS.
>
>
> Regulators Mulling Nextel Spectrum Proposal
> BY REINHARDT KRAUSE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY, Monday, March 8, 2004
>
> <snip>
>
> "However, Nextel is testing a wireless data network developed by startup
> Flarion Technologies. The trial, in North Carolina, uses gear that operates
> at 1.9 GHz."
>
> <snip>
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WFHSG/message/5540

MMDS.

"Nextel's market trial is using Flarion in the MMDS (2.5-2.6GHz) band."

http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News&file...

So which is it - leased PCS or licensed MMDS? The ambiguity persists...

Andrew
--
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cinema@ku.edu
cinema@sprintpcs.com
http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Anonymous
June 9, 2004 9:27:27 PM

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See More info below-

Andrew Shepherd <cinema@ku.edu> wrote:

> Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which
> spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in
> the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR
> 800, MMDS, or PCS.

PCS

>
>
> Additionally, the Flarion documentation is somewhat vague as to
> whether FLASH-OFDM deployment requires 1.25 MHz paired FDD
> (frequency-division duplex) for a total spectrum outlay of 2.5 MHz or
> 625 KHz paired FDD for a total of 1.25 MHz. Flarion ambiguously
> states 1.25 MHz FDD, though I would suspect the former, that 1.25 MHz
> "green field" spectrum is required for each of the forward &
> reverse-links.
>

I spoke to Ray (Flarion's CEO) at CTIA He said they use 400KHZ carriers
with a small "Guard Band"
The FLASH-OFDM is a proprietary OFMD unlike Texas Instruments and does not
conform to all of the industry standards

>
> As its name would suggest - Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiplexing
> - it is a frequency-division interface, but the precise tonal spacing
> required for frequency-orthogonality eliminates as a possibility the
> interleaved portions of Nextel's SMR 800 MHz spectrum - the same
> spectrum intertwined w/ public safety channels that Nextel wishes to
> return to the FCC in exchange for a nationwide 10 MHz PCS license.

Not exactly true Nextel does have some contiguous blocks of spectrum.
I asked Ray if they could "Break Out" a 400 Khz carrier
for use he said " Yes, but not in its current config"

>
> However, assuming that disregard of the established 25 KHz
> channelization would be permitted under SMR regulations, the
> contiguous 5 MHz paired of the SMR 800 A-C licenses or the 3.75 MHz
> paired of the D-FF licenses - all of which are typically held by
> Nextel - could be utilized for FLASH-OFDM deployment, albeit at the
> great expense of iDEN capacity, which makes SMR spectrum utilization
> unlikely.
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/800smrb...

If you have contiguous blocks of 25Khz channel you can use them.
I.E. WiDEN which uses multiple 25 Khz channels.

>
>
> As Craig has astutely pointed out, Nextel has acquired a sizeable
> holding of MMDS (Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System)
> spectrum, largely through the bankruptcy purchase of WorldCom's MMDS
> assets. The MMDS spectrum in the 2.6 GHz band was not originally
> designed for two-way transmission. It is not paired FDD. But two-way
> data communication has been approved by the FCC. And the 6 MHz
> channelization (designed for 6 MHz NTSC analog TV channels) is large
> enough that FLASH-OFDM FDD operation could possibly be contained w/in
> a channel or certainly w/in separate channels w/in the MMDS band.
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/mdsband...

Yep, Yep, that is Nextel's back up plan to the "SCAM PLAN".

>
>
> Finally, others have reported that Nextel is leasing PCS spectrum for
> the FLASH-OFDM trial in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The PCS A & PCS B
> licenses in MTA006 are AT&TWS & Cingular, respectively, neither of
> which would be likely to lease any of their spectrum to competitor
> Nextel. The same could be said of Sprint PCS, the PCS D licensee in
> BTA368. That leaves the BTA368 PCS C, PCS E, & PCS F licensees:
> Urban Comm - North Carolina, ALLTEL, & Comscape Telecommunications of
> Raleigh-Durham, respectively.
>
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...

It's Comscape

Likely? The way Timmy throws around nextel's cash these carriers will
lease their 1st Born.
Look at Nextel's SEC filing. Do a little math and you will see COMSCAPE is
getting big bucks.

>
>
> ALLTEL as well is certainly a competitor to Nextel, but ALLTEL
> controls the Cellular B-side license in the Raleigh-Durham CMA, hence
> its PCS spectrum in that market could be expendable. The more likely
> contender, though, would be either of the two entrepreneurial
> companies, about which little information seems to be available.

There is plenty of info around .

ComScape Telecommunications, Inc./Kiwi PCS is headquartered in West Palm
Beach, Florida and is
constructing a CDMA2000 1X wireless system in North Carolina with
expansion into Ohio, West Virginia and
Kentucky. They now offer their Kiwi Free service in Wilmington, North
Carolina. ComScape is privately-held
and has virtually no debt. They are a facilities-based, fully integrated,
telecommunications services company
with switching centers in Raleigh, North Carolina and Charleston, West
Virginia. In addition, they have a call
center in West Palm Beach, Florida.

>
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew Shepherd
> cinema@ku.edu
> cinema@sprintpcs.com
> http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/

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Anonymous
June 12, 2004 11:26:23 AM

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Flarion Is On FIRE~~~~~~

Timmy said publicly a few months ago at one of the Nextel Dog & Pony Shows
for Investors that Nextel was "renting" some
spectrum for the Flarion deployment in N.C. He would not say "Who" was
renting Nextel the spectrum, however a little
research tells the whole story............


Nextel Leases Spectrum From -COMSCAPE TELECOM OF RALEIGH-DURHAM For
Flarion Network

License-

ULS License- PCS Broadband License - KNLG699 - COMSCAPE TELECOMMUNICATIONS
OF
RALEIGH-DURHAM LICENSE, INC.
BTA368 - Raleigh-Durham, NC
Channel Block
F
Submarket
0
Associated
Frequencies

1890.00000-1895.00000 MHZ
1970.00000-1975.00000 MHZ


http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...


Who is ComScape ???

As of 2003-
ComScape Telecommunications, Inc./Kiwi PCS is headquartered in West Palm
Beach, Florida and is constructing a
CDMA2000 1X wireless system in North Carolina with expansion into Ohio,
West Virginia and Kentucky. They now offer
their Kiwi Free service in Wilmington, North Carolina. ComScape is
privately-held and has virtually no debt. They are a
facilities-based, fully integrated, telecommunications services company
with switching centers in Raleigh, North Carolina and
Charleston, West Virginia. In addition, they have a call center in West
Palm Beach, Florida.


Bhogin M. Modi ComScape Telecommunications, Inc.
ComScape Telecommunications, Inc. – Kiwi PCS Kiwi PCS
Telephone: 561-540-4771; E-mail: bhogin.modi@kiwipcs.com
1926 10th Avenue North, Suite 305
West Palm Beach, Florida 33461


===============================================================================

Nextel / Flarion Equipment-

Flarion Base Stations

1971.25 -1973.75 MHZ

1972.55-1976.2 MHZ


*************************************************

Flarion PC Card

1890.75 -1894.25 MHZ

Flarion Fixed Subscriber Unit (Home PC)

1890.75 -1894.25 MHZ


https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/Gener...

Timmy the mystery is DONE!
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Andrew Shepherd wrote:

> Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which
> spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in
> the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR
> 800, MMDS, or PCS.
>
> Additionally, the Flarion documentation is somewhat vague as to
> whether FLASH-OFDM deployment requires 1.25 MHz paired FDD
> (frequency-division duplex) for a total spectrum outlay of 2.5 MHz or
> 625 KHz paired FDD for a total of 1.25 MHz. Flarion ambiguously
> states 1.25 MHz FDD, though I would suspect the former, that 1.25 MHz
> "green field" spectrum is required for each of the forward &
> reverse-links.
>
> As its name would suggest - Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiplexing
> - it is a frequency-division interface, but the precise tonal spacing
> required for frequency-orthogonality eliminates as a possibility the
> interleaved portions of Nextel's SMR 800 MHz spectrum - the same
> spectrum intertwined w/ public safety channels that Nextel wishes to
> return to the FCC in exchange for a nationwide 10 MHz PCS license.
> However, assuming that disregard of the established 25 KHz
> channelization would be permitted under SMR regulations, the
> contiguous 5 MHz paired of the SMR 800 A-C licenses or the 3.75 MHz
> paired of the D-FF licenses - all of which are typically held by
> Nextel - could be utilized for FLASH-OFDM deployment, albeit at the
> great expense of iDEN capacity, which makes SMR spectrum utilization
> unlikely.
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/800smrb...
>
> As Craig has astutely pointed out, Nextel has acquired a sizeable
> holding of MMDS (Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System)
> spectrum, largely through the bankruptcy purchase of WorldCom's MMDS
> assets. The MMDS spectrum in the 2.6 GHz band was not originally
> designed for two-way transmission. It is not paired FDD. But two-way
> data communication has been approved by the FCC. And the 6 MHz
> channelization (designed for 6 MHz NTSC analog TV channels) is large
> enough that FLASH-OFDM FDD operation could possibly be contained w/in
> a channel or certainly w/in separate channels w/in the MMDS band.
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/mdsband...
>
> Finally, others have reported that Nextel is leasing PCS spectrum for
> the FLASH-OFDM trial in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The PCS A & PCS B
> licenses in MTA006 are AT&TWS & Cingular, respectively, neither of
> which would be likely to lease any of their spectrum to competitor
> Nextel. The same could be said of Sprint PCS, the PCS D licensee in
> BTA368. That leaves the BTA368 PCS C, PCS E, & PCS F licensees:
> Urban Comm - North Carolina, ALLTEL, & Comscape Telecommunications of
> Raleigh-Durham, respectively.
>
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?l...
>
> ALLTEL as well is certainly a competitor to Nextel, but ALLTEL
> controls the Cellular B-side license in the Raleigh-Durham CMA, hence
> its PCS spectrum in that market could be expendable. The more likely
> contender, though, would be either of the two entrepreneurial
> companies, about which little information seems to be available.
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew Shepherd
> cinema@ku.edu
> cinema@sprintpcs.com
> http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/

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June 20, 2004 7:22:47 PM

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Special Report.



http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052104Mads...


Karl Rove's White House " Murder, Inc."

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer



JUNE , 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks,
CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret
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threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet
plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the
executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly
prohibited political assassinations.

According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor,
Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese
Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that
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Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra
and Shatilla in 1982. In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who
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intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling
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Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter
and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator.

The Kahan Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his
defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a
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and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to
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announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed
that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla.
Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon
Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130
transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of
the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad
Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops
were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent
provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S.
ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF
had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla
massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of
the investigation of Sharon.

After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became
fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not
aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of
fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office.

On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb
placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut.
The bomb exploded when Hobeika and his three associates, Fares Souweidan,
Mitri Ajram, and Waleed Zein, were driving their Range Rover past the
TNT-laden Mercedes at 9:40 am Beirut time. The Range Rover's four passengers
were killed in the explosion. In case Hobeika's car had taken another route
through the neighborhood, two additional parked cars, located at two other
choke points, were also rigged with TNT. The powerful bomb wounded a number
of other people on the street. Other parked cars were destroyed and
buildings and homes were damaged. The Lebanese president, prime minister,
and interior minister all claimed that Israeli agents were behind the
attack.

It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist
incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on
Hobeika and his party. The White House wanted to ensure the attack was
censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had
Washington's fingerprints on it.

High level European intelligence sources now report that Karl Rove
personally coordinated Hobeika's assassination. The hit on Hobeika employed
Syrian intelligence agents. Syrian President Bashar Assad was trying to
curry favor with the Bush administration in the aftermath of 9-11 and was
more than willing to help the White House. In addition, Assad's father,
Hafez Assad, had been an ally of Bush's father during Desert Storm, a period
that saw Washington give a "wink and a nod" to Syria's occupation of
Lebanon. Rove wanted to help Sharon avoid any political embarrassment from
an in absentia trial in Brussels where Hobeika would be a star witness. Rove
and Sharon agreed on the plan to use Syrian Military Intelligence agents to
assassinate Hobeika. Rove saw Sharon as an indispensable ally of Bush in
ensuring the loyalty of the Christian evangelical and Jewish voting blocs in
the United States. Sharon saw the plan to have the United States coordinate
the hit as a way to mask all connections to Jerusalem.

The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in
Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian
President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated
with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract
information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States
and other countries in the wake of 9-11. The order to take out Hobeika was
transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military
intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled
cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards
from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area
near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various
Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a
very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian
and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its
perceived high security .

The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial
mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl
Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be
ensured plausible deniability.

Hobeika's CIA intermediary in Beirut, a man only referred to as "Jason" by
Hobeika, was a frequent companion of the Lebanese politician during official
and off-duty hours. During Hobeika's election campaigns for his
parliamentary seat, Jason was often in Hobeika's office offering support and
advice. After Hobeika's assassination, Jason became despondent over the
death of his colleague. Eventually, Jason disappeared abruptly from Lebanon
and reportedly later emerged in Pakistan.

Karl Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika may not have been
the last "hit" he ordered to help out Sharon. In March 2002, a few months
after Hobeika's assassination, another Lebanese Christian with knowledge of
Sharon's involvement in the Sabra and Shatilla massacres was gunned down
along with his wife in Sao Paulo, Brazil. A bullet fired at Michael Nassar's
car flattened one of his tires. Nassar pulled into a gasoline station for
repairs. A professional assassin, firing a gun with a silencer, shot Nassar
and his wife in the head, killing them both instantly. The assailant fled
and was never captured. Nassar was also involved with the Phalange militia
at Sabra and Shatilla. Nassar was also reportedly willing to testify against
Sharon in Belgium and, as a nephew of SLA Commander General Antoine Lahd,
may have had important evidence to bolster Hobeika's charge that Sharon
ordered SLA forces into the camps to wipe out the Palestinians.

Based on what European intelligence claims is concrete intelligence on
Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika, the Bush administration
can now add political assassination to its laundry list of other misdeeds,
from lying about the reasons to go to war to the torture tactics in
violation of the Geneva Conventions that have been employed by the Pentagon
and "third country" nationals at prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and
columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan
administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the
co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of
George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil,
Black Ops, and Brass Plates." Madsen can be reached at:
WMadsen777@aol.com
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