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May 4, 2005 3:41:13 AM

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I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
master drive?

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Anonymous
May 4, 2005 3:41:14 AM

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Since your Dell 4500 has not SATA controller, you will have to buy a SATA
PCI Card, and will most likely have to buy a new power supply with SATA
power connectors or dongles that will adapt existing drive power connectors
to SATA power connectors.

Bobby

<Rob> wrote in message news:h9kg71dlqhdgvkcl9e4tcif56ke2nargpt@4ax.com...
>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
> dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
> else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
> master drive?



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Anonymous
May 4, 2005 3:41:14 AM

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In addition to my other response, it really does not make sense to replace
just one ATA HDD with SATA, and run them mixed. If you are gonna jump in,
jump in with both feet. For most apps, the speed of a SATA drive will not
have a significant impact. If you do video streaming, video encoding, audio
transcoding, or gaming, then SATA will be the way to go.
Also consider that SATA II is out, as well as NCQ on the standard ATA bus,
which makes NCQ drives on a mobo that supports it nearly as fast as SATA...

Bobby

<Rob> wrote in message news:h9kg71dlqhdgvkcl9e4tcif56ke2nargpt@4ax.com...
>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
> dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
> else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
> master drive?



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Anonymous
May 4, 2005 2:12:17 PM

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<Rob> wrote in message news:h9kg71dlqhdgvkcl9e4tcif56ke2nargpt@4ax.com...
>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
> dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
> else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
> master drive?

Why? The benefit could never catch up to the cost.

Tom
Anonymous
May 4, 2005 9:55:01 PM

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NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> will most likely have to buy a new power supply with SATA
> power connectors or dongles that will adapt existing drive power connectors
> to SATA power connectors.
>
> Bobby
>
The dongles work fine and can be had for $5 at Fry's or most computer
stores. I do agree that there's no point to going SATA, esp. if you're
mixing it with a parallel ATA drive. Heck, even when you're not mixing
it, you don't gain much from SATA in non-RAID setups (SATA gives you
more bandwith than most drives can handle).
May 5, 2005 5:46:04 PM

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On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:41:13 -0500, Rob wrote:

>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
>dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
>else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
>master drive?


Thanks to all who replied. As some mentioned, there was no reason to
go to a SATA drive as I found out after posting my orig post so I
didn't.

Quick question now, is the PATA drives compatible for the dell 4700's
or above (not sure what the current model is now) ? Will they plug
right in or do I need a board for these drives in the current dell
desktops?
Anonymous
May 5, 2005 10:51:42 PM

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Sort of. There is a PATA connector, but only one, so you can have two total
drives (CD/DVD and Hard drives).

Tom
<Rob> wrote in message news:l8qk7111bl5bjq72calr5bt1dlucodn85f@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:41:13 -0500, Rob wrote:
>
>>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
>>dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
>>else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
>>master drive?
>
>
> Thanks to all who replied. As some mentioned, there was no reason to
> go to a SATA drive as I found out after posting my orig post so I
> didn't.
>
> Quick question now, is the PATA drives compatible for the dell 4700's
> or above (not sure what the current model is now) ? Will they plug
> right in or do I need a board for these drives in the current dell
> desktops?
Anonymous
May 5, 2005 10:51:43 PM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> writes:
>Sort of. There is a PATA connector, but only one, so you can have two total
>drives (CD/DVD and Hard drives).

And you can also buy a $20-$40 PCI PATA controller to put some more in.

I've got a few 4700's configured with the extra PCI card, 2 PATA drives on it,
1 SATA drive, and 1 CD on the on board PATA.

Also extra fans - these get hot.

Later

Mark Hittinger
bugs@pu.net
May 5, 2005 10:51:44 PM

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:57:34 -0500, bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)
wrote:

>"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> writes:
>>Sort of. There is a PATA connector, but only one, so you can have two total
>>drives (CD/DVD and Hard drives).
>
>And you can also buy a $20-$40 PCI PATA controller to put some more in.
>
>I've got a few 4700's configured with the extra PCI card, 2 PATA drives on it,
>1 SATA drive, and 1 CD on the on board PATA.
>
>Also extra fans - these get hot.
>
>Later
>
>Mark Hittinger
>bugs@pu.net



Mark, how do the extra fans hook up inside? Sounds like a good idea
to have extra fans.
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 2:24:34 PM

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Rob writes:
>Mark, how do the extra fans hook up inside? Sounds like a good idea
>to have extra fans.

What I am doing is buying whats called "PC case fan" (dell #A0389865) and
putting it in an unused slot (where there is not a PCI connector anyhow)
in the back.

The power for that fan just piggy backs on to one of the PATA hard drive
power connectors.

With one fan in the case the average hard drive temperature during idling
drops from about 120F to around 114F.

I don't know that there is much that we can really do for the cpu but it
does bother me when the disks run hot. A second case fan in the box is
only able to pull the average hard drive temperature down to 111F - half
the "gain" of the first fan.

When number crunching is going on with the 4700 cpu (so that its heat goes
to the max) the average hard drive temperature will run to 129F even with
two fans in the case.

This is something that everyone with a 4700 ought to look into.

There are some other fans that can be put directly on to the hard drives
and I may have to try that soon. The SATA drives run much hotter than
the PATA drives.

Later

Mark Hittinger
bugs@pu.net
Anonymous
May 6, 2005 8:45:34 PM

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"Mark Hittinger" <bugs@pu.net> wrote in message
news:uKSdncW7QeavEebfRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Rob writes:
>>Mark, how do the extra fans hook up inside? Sounds like a good idea
>>to have extra fans.
>
> What I am doing is buying whats called "PC case fan" (dell #A0389865) and
> putting it in an unused slot (where there is not a PCI connector anyhow)
> in the back.
>
> The power for that fan just piggy backs on to one of the PATA hard drive
> power connectors.
>
> With one fan in the case the average hard drive temperature during idling
> drops from about 120F to around 114F.
>
> I don't know that there is much that we can really do for the cpu but it
> does bother me when the disks run hot. A second case fan in the box is
> only able to pull the average hard drive temperature down to 111F - half
> the "gain" of the first fan.
>
> When number crunching is going on with the 4700 cpu (so that its heat goes
> to the max) the average hard drive temperature will run to 129F even with
> two fans in the case.
>
> This is something that everyone with a 4700 ought to look into.
>
> There are some other fans that can be put directly on to the hard drives
> and I may have to try that soon. The SATA drives run much hotter than
> the PATA drives.
>
> Later
>
> Mark Hittinger
> bugs@pu.net



I think that this is all very interesting - fascinating even.

What I've not heard/read/seen is a post from anyone who owns a 4700
attributing hard disk failure directly or indirectly to heat.

Try running the system with the side cover off - what are your temps at that
point?


Stew
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 7:50:13 AM

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"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:VxRee.3750$eJ4.3503@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

>
> I think that this is all very interesting - fascinating even.

Indeed. I manage seven HP/Compaq servers across two schools. We just
got an E-mail from our Network Operations Center saying that engineers
are going to be coming out to install BIOS updates on the servers.
Apparently the old BIOS was causing the fans to spin too slowly under
certain circumstances which caused premature hardware failures. I had
heard from a couple of my collegues that they were having seemingly
unexplained sudden hard drive failures prior to this notice of the BIOS
upgrades.

I've always wondered on a home PC how good the air circulation really
is. With only two fans (processor and power supply) in a room that
isn't too hot already should be OK? Or not? Perhaps the average PC
should have a thrid fan. Perhaps some do, but the ones I've seen at
school and the Dells I've owned don't.

Mike


>
> What I've not heard/read/seen is a post from anyone who owns a 4700
> attributing hard disk failure directly or indirectly to heat.
>
> Try running the system with the side cover off - what are your temps
> at that point?
>
>
> Stew
>
>
Anonymous
May 7, 2005 6:54:17 PM

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"Mark Hittinger" <bugs@pu.net> wrote in message news:uKSdncW7QeavEebfRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Rob writes:
>>Mark, how do the extra fans hook up inside? Sounds like a good idea
>>to have extra fans.
>
> What I am doing is buying whats called "PC case fan" (dell #A0389865) and
> putting it in an unused slot (where there is not a PCI connector anyhow)
> in the back.

I can't find a picture of that fan. Is it a real PCI slot fan, something
along the lines of what is pictured here?

http://www.mikhailtech.com/articles/cooling/pciroundup/

> I don't know that there is much that we can really do for the cpu but it
> does bother me when the disks run hot. A second case fan in the box is
> only able to pull the average hard drive temperature down to 111F - half
> the "gain" of the first fan.
>
> When number crunching is going on with the 4700 cpu (so that its heat goes
> to the max) the average hard drive temperature will run to 129F even with
> two fans in the case.

Normally I would expect to see the highest HD temp when said HD is
under heavy load for awhile, such as when continuously running a HD
benchmarking program. When running a CPU benchmarking program
(preferably a pure math one as opposed to one that taxes main memory
and/or graphics card) and no other apps to speak of, I would expect
the drives to be mostly idle and significantly below their peak temps.
A reversed CPU fan changes the equation a bit, but in any case, have
you checked each HD temp while benchmarking it?

BTW, what CPU and graphics solution?
Anonymous
May 8, 2005 12:46:30 AM

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"M. Hale" <mjhale@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns964EF2806239Dhalemj2004yahoocom@68.1.17.6...
> "S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:VxRee.3750$eJ4.3503@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
>>
>> I think that this is all very interesting - fascinating even.
>
> Indeed. I manage seven HP/Compaq servers across two schools. We just
> got an E-mail from our Network Operations Center saying that engineers
> are going to be coming out to install BIOS updates on the servers.
> Apparently the old BIOS was causing the fans to spin too slowly under
> certain circumstances which caused premature hardware failures. I had
> heard from a couple of my collegues that they were having seemingly
> unexplained sudden hard drive failures prior to this notice of the BIOS
> upgrades.
>
> I've always wondered on a home PC how good the air circulation really
> is. With only two fans (processor and power supply) in a room that
> isn't too hot already should be OK? Or not? Perhaps the average PC
> should have a thrid fan. Perhaps some do, but the ones I've seen at
> school and the Dells I've owned don't.
>
> Mike
>


Gamers typically build (those who choose to air cool) systems with
well-ventilated cases and lots of fans.

While I game rarely, I built my system on that principle. 7 fans when the
PS fan and GPU fan are included.

Noisy as hell, but very very cool :-)


Stew
Anonymous
May 8, 2005 4:28:58 AM

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On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:41:13 -0500, Rob wrote:

>I want to replace one Ultra ATA hard drive with a SATA hard drive in a
>dell 4500 pc (has 2 hard drives). Aside from the hard drive, what
>else do I need to purchase, if any, to add the SATA hard drive as the
>master drive?

You've been told what you need. I should tell you that on my 8200
SATA and Parallel ATA would not work together. I don't know why and
I've never seen anyone else reporting this, so donno.

I bought a USB cage to read my old drive with, so all is well. I love
the extra speed you get from SATA, so go for it.

Remember you'll need to create a driver floppy and have it handy when
you reinstall Windows. The manual for your card should explain this.

Good Luck!
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Anonymous
May 10, 2005 4:49:29 AM

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>
> Remember you'll need to create a driver floppy and have it handy when
> you reinstall Windows. The manual for your card should explain this.
>
>

Many new computers don't have a floppy drive. What alternatives are
available for installing the SATA drivers?

Brian
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 5:38:20 AM

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On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:49:29 GMT, "Brian K" <iibntgyea4
REMOVE_THIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Many new computers don't have a floppy drive. What alternatives are
>available for installing the SATA drivers?
>
>Brian

You could try burning the drivers to a CD, but I have my doubts.

Well, if you've spent over $100 for drives, cables and PCI card,
what's another $10 or so for a floppy? Or snag one off an old
computer for nothing.
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Anonymous
May 12, 2005 1:36:30 PM

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I have one. I wondered what people do who don't have a floppy drive.



"Paul Knudsen" <bigkahuna@jupada.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:49:29 GMT, "Brian K" <iibntgyea4
> REMOVE_THIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Many new computers don't have a floppy drive. What alternatives are
>>available for installing the SATA drivers?
>>
>>Brian
>
> You could try burning the drivers to a CD, but I have my doubts.
>
> Well, if you've spent over $100 for drives, cables and PCI card,
> what's another $10 or so for a floppy? Or snag one off an old
> computer for nothing.
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