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Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:43:21 PM

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I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What I
have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not need
the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC. It
will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows XP Pro
SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only usable on a
Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer safety if you
like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new Dell w/no Windows
disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the word SPAMFILTER and the
period after it from my email address.

Joe

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Anonymous
May 18, 2005 10:59:00 PM

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"Joseph Bradford" <bradforj@SPAMFILTER.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What I
>have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not
>need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC.
>It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows XP
>Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only usable
>on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer safety
>if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new Dell w/no
>Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the word SPAMFILTER
>and the period after it from my email address.
>
> Joe
>
>


Anyone considering buying should be aware that if this is a Dell OEM WinXP
package that it can only legally be installed on a machine with a WinXP Pro
COA/license/sticker on the case (such as a Dell machine bought off of ebay
with no media, or the OPs example of a media-less new system.)

Also, retail versions (with key) of XP Home can be had for as little as
$80-85. www.newegg.com

Stew
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:59:10 AM

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Joseph Bradford wrote:

> I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What I
> have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not need
> the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC. It
> will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows XP Pro
> SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only usable on a
> Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer safety if you
> like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new Dell w/no Windows
> disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the word SPAMFILTER and the
> period after it from my email address.
>
> Joe
>
>

You do realize that this is illegal, don't you?

Bob
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Anonymous
May 19, 2005 4:52:23 AM

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"Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Joseph Bradford wrote:
>
>> I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What
>> I have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not
>> need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC.
>> It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows
>> XP Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only
>> usable on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer
>> safety if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new
>> Dell w/no Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the
>> word SPAMFILTER and the period after it from my email address.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>
> You do realize that this is illegal, don't you?
>
> Bob

its a transfer of license, and the original installation does not exist. I
havent read the EULA lately ... what does it say about this ?
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 12:09:47 PM

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"NuTCrAcKeR" <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:iFQie.12539$4d6.4750@trndny04...
>> Joseph Bradford wrote:
>>
>>> I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts.
>>> What I have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I
>>> do not need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a
>>> Dell PC. It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full
>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is
>>> only usable on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure
>>> buyer safety if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has received
>>> a new Dell w/no Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove
>>> the word SPAMFILTER and the period after it from my email address.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You do realize that this is illegal, don't you?
>>
>> Bob
>
> its a transfer of license, and the original installation does not exist. I
> havent read the EULA lately ... what does it say about this ?
>

The license is tied to the original machine and should have gone with the
motherboard
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:43:31 PM

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Not only a motherbaord. ANY hardware piece is okay.


"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> schreef in bericht
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>
> "NuTCrAcKeR" <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote in message
> news:TtSdnfoyor4qtRHfRVn-vQ@speakeasy.net...
> >
> > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:iFQie.12539$4d6.4750@trndny04...
> >> Joseph Bradford wrote:
> >>
> >>> I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts.
> >>> What I have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book.
I
> >>> do not need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having
a
> >>> Dell PC. It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code.
Full
> >>> Windows XP Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this
is
> >>> only usable on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to
insure
> >>> buyer safety if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has
received
> >>> a new Dell w/no Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply
remove
> >>> the word SPAMFILTER and the period after it from my email address.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> You do realize that this is illegal, don't you?
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> > its a transfer of license, and the original installation does not exist.
I
> > havent read the EULA lately ... what does it say about this ?
> >
>
> The license is tied to the original machine and should have gone with the
> motherboard
>
>
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:43:32 PM

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For a purchase that is true, for a license transfer, that is not the way
that I read the EULA. Are you attorney?


"News" <johoo123@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:428c5f57$0$64529$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Not only a motherbaord. ANY hardware piece is okay.
>
>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> schreef in bericht
> news:fRXie.30122$VH2.9632@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>> "NuTCrAcKeR" <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote in message
>> news:TtSdnfoyor4qtRHfRVn-vQ@speakeasy.net...
>> >
>> > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> > news:iFQie.12539$4d6.4750@trndny04...
>> >> Joseph Bradford wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts.
>> >>> What I have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book.
> I
>> >>> do not need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having
> a
>> >>> Dell PC. It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code.
> Full
>> >>> Windows XP Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this
> is
>> >>> only usable on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to
> insure
>> >>> buyer safety if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has
> received
>> >>> a new Dell w/no Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply
> remove
>> >>> the word SPAMFILTER and the period after it from my email address.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> You do realize that this is illegal, don't you?
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >
>> > its a transfer of license, and the original installation does not
>> > exist.
> I
>> > havent read the EULA lately ... what does it say about this ?
>> >
>>
>> The license is tied to the original machine and should have gone with the
>> motherboard
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:43:33 PM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> For a purchase that is true, for a license transfer, that is not the way
> that I read the EULA. Are you attorney?
>
>


Tom,

If it's handled the same way as an OEM retail copy, any piece of hardware
works. NewEgg used to pair a PS "Y" adapter with their orders, charge the
buyer and then discount it off - though it would be included in the shipping
box.

No COA sticker/license is included in those purchases, only the product key
and media.

?

Stew
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:43:34 PM

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"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:xQZie.30131$VH2.9754@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> For a purchase that is true, for a license transfer, that is not the way
>> that I read the EULA. Are you attorney?
>>
>>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> If it's handled the same way as an OEM retail copy, any piece of hardware
> works. NewEgg used to pair a PS "Y" adapter with their orders, charge the
> buyer and then discount it off - though it would be included in the
> shipping box.
>
> No COA sticker/license is included in those purchases, only the product
> key and media.
>
> ?
>
> Stew
>

Certainly subject to interpretation:

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all of your rights
under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer
of the COMPUTER, provided you retain no copies, if you
transfer the SOFTWARE (including all component parts, the
media, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate of
Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
EULA. "



Is a Y cable a COMPUTER?
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 5:24:44 PM

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Having done the purchase of OEM licenses in the past, I can state what the
general interpretation of the EULA has been. But since all EULAs are fluid and
ever-changing, who knows what Micro$oft is doing now.

Several years ago, at the bankruptcy auction of a small 3rd tier distributor, a
bunch of copies of OEM Windows went on the block. The auctioneer had spoken
with someone from Micro$oft, who told him that it was OK to sell each copy of
Windows with a motherboard. So I ended up buying 100-odd working motherboards
with OEM copies of Windows.

My distributor sells OEM copies of Windows with a significant piece of hardware,
either motherboard or hard drive.

Selling an OEM copy of Windows with a Y cable is stretching it a bit.

Apparently retail copies of Windows do not have the same hardware restrictions
on them, else you could not buy a copy of Window$ in the store.

How does this relate to the leftovers from a Dell system that was scrapped? In
strictest terms, the license goes with the motherboard or hard drive. But the
Window$ COA is affixed to the chassis and pretty difficult to remove.

In practical terms, the Windows COA could probably be used on any system with a
Dell BIOS, and Micro$oft would have a helluva time declaring that it was
illegal. I doubt that Dell is obliged to track COA info versus Dell serial
numbers. The Windows COA from a Dell system could be used on a non-Dell system,
but Micro$oft has aggressively tracked down dealers who traffic in COAs and
prosecuted them.

As far as the Windows install media is concerned, Micro$oft raves screams and
hollers about illegal copies of Windows install CDs, but many manufacturers give
the system owner the ability to create a backup copy of the Windows install
media (if the install CD is not delivered with the system, a growing trend) to
be used in the event of a failed hard disk. So now the question is how does
Micro$oft or any one else tell the difference between an alleged illegal copy of
a Windows install CD and a copy created supposedly for backup purposes?

Micro$oft has learned well from the IBM it replaced as the 500 lb. gorilla of
software: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt with product authentication to somehow
make sure that the installed software is legit.

Maybe Linux IS a better answer. At least one does not feel like Big Brother is
watching... Ben Myers

On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:18:08 GMT, "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote:

>
>"S.Lewis" <stew1960@cover.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:K6_ie.19$8S5.1@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:xQZie.30131$VH2.9754@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> For a purchase that is true, for a license transfer, that is not the way
>>> that I read the EULA. Are you attorney?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> If it's handled the same way as an OEM retail copy, any piece of hardware
>> works. NewEgg used to pair a PS "Y" adapter with their orders, charge the
>> buyer and then discount it off - though it would be included in the
>> shipping box.
>>
>> No COA sticker/license is included in those purchases, only the product
>> key and media.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Stew
>>
>
>Certainly subject to interpretation:
>
>"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
>integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
>the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
>the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all of your rights
>under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer
>of the COMPUTER, provided you retain no copies, if you
>transfer the SOFTWARE (including all component parts, the
>media, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate of
>Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
>EULA. "
>
>
>
>Is a Y cable a COMPUTER?
>
>
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 5:24:45 PM

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<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:428c9014.5604015@nntp.charter.net...
> Having done the purchase of OEM licenses in the past, I can state what the
> general interpretation of the EULA has been. But since all EULAs are
> fluid and
> ever-changing, who knows what Micro$oft is doing now.
>
> Several years ago, at the bankruptcy auction of a small 3rd tier
> distributor, a
> bunch of copies of OEM Windows went on the block. The auctioneer had
> spoken
> with someone from Micro$oft, who told him that it was OK to sell each copy
> of
> Windows with a motherboard. So I ended up buying 100-odd working
> motherboards
> with OEM copies of Windows.
>
> My distributor sells OEM copies of Windows with a significant piece of
> hardware,
> either motherboard or hard drive.
>
> Selling an OEM copy of Windows with a Y cable is stretching it a bit.


Ben, apparently not stretching much. There may be vendors who're more
visible on the web than NewEgg, but I certainly don't know who they are. I
would think NewEgg consulted with MS about acceptable practices for sale of
OS media. I've also seen lesser vendors offering admittedly failed pieces
of hardware with each purchase to meet the requirement, and doing so openly
on ebay (which is certainly a reach, imo).


>
> Apparently retail copies of Windows do not have the same hardware
> restrictions
> on them, else you could not buy a copy of Window$ in the store.
>
> How does this relate to the leftovers from a Dell system that was
> scrapped? In
> strictest terms, the license goes with the motherboard or hard drive. But
> the
> Window$ COA is affixed to the chassis and pretty difficult to remove.


And that's my point and opinion. If the COA remains on the Dell (or other
OEM system), then imo, the right to have the OS indicated by said COA exists
from that mfr's media. The COA has been paid for in the price of the
system, either used or new.

When one begins to cross the COA (ie - installing XP on an OEM system with a
Win2k Pro COA, for example) on the box, then that, to me, is illegal unless
a retail license/key has been purchased by the system owner separately.

I believe that to be a good general practice - and if it isn't, I'd
appreciate someone pointing out how it is not. (seriously).

>
> In practical terms, the Windows COA could probably be used on any system
> with a
> Dell BIOS, and Micro$oft would have a helluva time declaring that it was
> illegal. I doubt that Dell is obliged to track COA info versus Dell
> serial
> numbers. The Windows COA from a Dell system could be used on a non-Dell
> system,
> but Micro$oft has aggressively tracked down dealers who traffic in COAs
> and
> prosecuted them.


The latter is crossing the line in a pretty obvious way, imo.


>
> As far as the Windows install media is concerned, Micro$oft raves screams
> and
> hollers about illegal copies of Windows install CDs, but many
> manufacturers give
> the system owner the ability to create a backup copy of the Windows
> install
> media (if the install CD is not delivered with the system, a growing
> trend) to
> be used in the event of a failed hard disk. So now the question is how
> does
> Micro$oft or any one else tell the difference between an alleged illegal
> copy of
> a Windows install CD and a copy created supposedly for backup purposes?


I don't suppose they can close that loophole, since a Dell-badged OS media
disc will install on another Dell machine w/o prompt for a key or
activation, I think.



>
> Micro$oft has learned well from the IBM it replaced as the 500 lb. gorilla
> of
> software: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt with product authentication to
> somehow
> make sure that the installed software is legit.
>
> Maybe Linux IS a better answer. At least one does not feel like Big
> Brother is
> watching... Ben Myers
>


Linux will be a better answer when the new user sees it as such, and I don't
see that happening anytime soon.


Interesting discussion though.



Stew
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 6:48:33 PM

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"Joseph Bradford" <bradforj@SPAMFILTER.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What I
>have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not
>need the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC.
>It will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows XP
>Pro SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only usable
>on a Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer safety
>if you like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new Dell w/no
>Windows disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the word SPAMFILTER
>and the period after it from my email address.
>
> Joe
>
>

I have read some of the posts. I am unsure if the sale of this item is
legal or not, so it is not for sale. I thought of it as though I bought
Windows XP Pro just like I bought everything else in the computer, so I
could part it out just like the rest of the computer. That does not appear
to be the case.

Joe
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 11:35:25 PM

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Now back to the original posting. There is essentially no difference at all
between the Win XP Pro SP2 CD that comes with a Dell and any other OEM version.
You can install XP Pro from a Dell-labeled CD on a non-Dell computer or from a
non-Dell computer on a Dell. In other words, the "XP Pro pack" without a
genuine Windows XP Pro Certificate of Authentication (COA) is worth maybe ten
bucks, to save a buyer the time to find one and make a copy of his/her own.

What does have some value is the Dell chassis with Windows XP Pro Certificate of
Authentication on it. Of course, someone would have to fill up the chassis with
the right model of Dell motherboard and all the rest of the parts. How much
value the Dell chassis with COA has is a good question with no direct answer.
It all depends on what comes with the chassis, like the wiring and fans inside,
which are custom to Dell.

My best guess, and nobody from Dell or Microsoft is likely to confirm it, is
that the Windows XP install checks to see if it is being installed on a system
with a recognized name-brand BIOS (Dell, IBM, Compaq, HP, Gateway, eMachine,
Sony, etc.). If so, it is not usually necessary to go thru the handwaving
needed for product authentication... Ben Myers

On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:43:21 -0500, "Joseph Bradford"
<bradforj@SPAMFILTER.bellsouth.net> wrote:

>I recently had a Dell go caput and have sold off many of its parts. What I
>have left is a shrink-wrapped Win XP Pro SP2 CD w/Start Book. I do not need
>the restore CD and am willing to sell it to anyone having a Dell PC. It
>will install on a Dell PC without need for a key code. Full Windows XP Pro
>SP2 such as this brings over $120 on eBay. Since this is only usable on a
>Dell PC, I will take $75 shipped. Use PayPal to insure buyer safety if you
>like! This may be useful to anyone who has received a new Dell w/no Windows
>disc. First to reply gets it! To reply remove the word SPAMFILTER and the
>period after it from my email address.
>
>Joe
>
>
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 2:56:05 AM

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"Joseph Bradford" <bradforj@SPAMFILTER.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> I have read some of the posts. I am unsure if the sale of this item is
> legal or not, so it is not for sale. I thought of it as though I bought
> Windows XP Pro just like I bought everything else in the computer, so I
> could part it out just like the rest of the computer. That does not
appear
> to be the case.

Well, if as the OP states the system is kaput, then presumably either the
mobo or hd was one of the kaput items. Thereore if the OP ships this along
with the CD then it's not an illegal sale.
!