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Am I the only one who thinks that Tom spent a bit too much time in the review brooding over nVIDIA's business practices rather than pure fact? It almost seemed as though he was attempting to garner sympathy for ATi to make up for the shortcomings of the Radeon 8500 at its release time!
<b>Problem:</b>
The Radeon 8500 is being released in an incomplete state. (This may or may not be true. We'll have to wait and see what the final revision of the chip is. Read further in the thread for more information.)
<b>NOTE:</b> Yes, Tom points it out in his review as "criticism" but he hardly gives it the attention that other companies (Mircrosoft, nVIDIA) would receive under the same circumstances. The video card business is cut-throat these days and it's tough to stay on top if you're not willing to work hard enough. Releasing products before they are finished is simply unacceptable.
<b>FACT:</b>
ATi expects to topple nVIDIA with "superior theoretical fill rates"?
<b>NOTE:</b> The last time I heard that kind of crap, it was with the release of Voodoo2 and the introduction of dual 3D accelerators for higher theoretical performance. Yeah, I think we all know how well that went down. Granted, that was a different kind of model, but it's all a matter of perspective. Would you like to use your GeForce2 without hardware T&L because it has a superior theoretical fill rate versus the competition?
<b>FACT:</b>
Releasing new drivers at the same time of a competitor's new product release is not a "poor business practice."
<b>NOTE:</b> Are you kidding me? nVIDIA is supposed to sit around on their laurels, wait for ATi to release, and monitor the market? Riiiiight. And I've got a few hundred acres of ocean front property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.
The idea of competition is to do better than your competitors. To make better products, make them faster, and do it cheaper. nVIDIA has done that for a long time. Or have we forgotten the days of Voodoo dominance and TNT underdogs? nVIDIA monitors the market closely and plans their business accordingly. That's the way successful businesses are run.
Please, don't bother saying it is unethical. Unethical would be padding benchmark scores. What's that you say? Tom's review says, "The extremely useful synthetic fill rate test that is built into 3D Mark 2001 could show a fill rate improvement of up to 29%, mainly found in high resolutions and 32-bit color. In actual fact, the fill rate at 1600x1200x32 is now as high as at 1024x768x16, which is not only remarkable, but almost suspiciously high." Suspiciously high, you say? Wow, so what that says is according to 3D Mark 2001, using Detonator 4, I can achieve fill rates at 1600x1200x32 the same as those at 1024x768x16?? Wow...my machine and Max Payne thank nVIDIA for increasing my gaming goodness.
Your insinuation that nVIDIA held on to a working driver for weeks to coordinate this release is ridiculous and insulting. What do you base this information on? It's hearsay, plain and simple. Release dates are rarely met without frantic all-nighters being held by the programmers and engineers. I know from experience. There is no way that their engineers lulled in to the lunch room two weeks ago around noon and mused that they were done and nothing to do for the next two weeks. If nVIDIA did finish their driver before the scheduled date (unlikely, I'm betting), then I'll bet they spent that extra two or three weeks tweaking and improving. Now, what's wrong with that? They finished ahead of schedule and so they decided to continue development/testing/tweaking until the scheduled date to maintain their business model. Damn. I wish ALL companies would do that. This business model works pretty darn good for Blizzard. I don't hear Westwood Studios or EA complaining about it.
I think the shots taken at nVIDIA in this review are unfounded, unnecessary, and totally irrelevant to the topic of the review: the release of ATi's Radeon 8500. Tom's attempts to help ATi garner sympathy are pathetic. Let their hardware, customers, and sales do the talking. If they win in the end, then I will gladly congratulate them. Regardless of what Tom says or nVIDIA does, my money goes to the company I believe has made the better product. It's that simple.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FrankRizzo on 08/15/01 12:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
<b>Problem:</b>
The Radeon 8500 is being released in an incomplete state. (This may or may not be true. We'll have to wait and see what the final revision of the chip is. Read further in the thread for more information.)
<b>NOTE:</b> Yes, Tom points it out in his review as "criticism" but he hardly gives it the attention that other companies (Mircrosoft, nVIDIA) would receive under the same circumstances. The video card business is cut-throat these days and it's tough to stay on top if you're not willing to work hard enough. Releasing products before they are finished is simply unacceptable.
<b>FACT:</b>
ATi expects to topple nVIDIA with "superior theoretical fill rates"?
<b>NOTE:</b> The last time I heard that kind of crap, it was with the release of Voodoo2 and the introduction of dual 3D accelerators for higher theoretical performance. Yeah, I think we all know how well that went down. Granted, that was a different kind of model, but it's all a matter of perspective. Would you like to use your GeForce2 without hardware T&L because it has a superior theoretical fill rate versus the competition?
<b>FACT:</b>
Releasing new drivers at the same time of a competitor's new product release is not a "poor business practice."
<b>NOTE:</b> Are you kidding me? nVIDIA is supposed to sit around on their laurels, wait for ATi to release, and monitor the market? Riiiiight. And I've got a few hundred acres of ocean front property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.
The idea of competition is to do better than your competitors. To make better products, make them faster, and do it cheaper. nVIDIA has done that for a long time. Or have we forgotten the days of Voodoo dominance and TNT underdogs? nVIDIA monitors the market closely and plans their business accordingly. That's the way successful businesses are run.
Please, don't bother saying it is unethical. Unethical would be padding benchmark scores. What's that you say? Tom's review says, "The extremely useful synthetic fill rate test that is built into 3D Mark 2001 could show a fill rate improvement of up to 29%, mainly found in high resolutions and 32-bit color. In actual fact, the fill rate at 1600x1200x32 is now as high as at 1024x768x16, which is not only remarkable, but almost suspiciously high." Suspiciously high, you say? Wow, so what that says is according to 3D Mark 2001, using Detonator 4, I can achieve fill rates at 1600x1200x32 the same as those at 1024x768x16?? Wow...my machine and Max Payne thank nVIDIA for increasing my gaming goodness.
Your insinuation that nVIDIA held on to a working driver for weeks to coordinate this release is ridiculous and insulting. What do you base this information on? It's hearsay, plain and simple. Release dates are rarely met without frantic all-nighters being held by the programmers and engineers. I know from experience. There is no way that their engineers lulled in to the lunch room two weeks ago around noon and mused that they were done and nothing to do for the next two weeks. If nVIDIA did finish their driver before the scheduled date (unlikely, I'm betting), then I'll bet they spent that extra two or three weeks tweaking and improving. Now, what's wrong with that? They finished ahead of schedule and so they decided to continue development/testing/tweaking until the scheduled date to maintain their business model. Damn. I wish ALL companies would do that. This business model works pretty darn good for Blizzard. I don't hear Westwood Studios or EA complaining about it.
I think the shots taken at nVIDIA in this review are unfounded, unnecessary, and totally irrelevant to the topic of the review: the release of ATi's Radeon 8500. Tom's attempts to help ATi garner sympathy are pathetic. Let their hardware, customers, and sales do the talking. If they win in the end, then I will gladly congratulate them. Regardless of what Tom says or nVIDIA does, my money goes to the company I believe has made the better product. It's that simple.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by FrankRizzo on 08/15/01 12:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>