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RADEON 8500 FOR $299.99!!!!

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August 30, 2001 2:54:24 AM

Hey check out this website preordering the new Radeon 8500 for $299.99 U.S. http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.... if this thing is for real then nvida better start to worry even if the $360.00+ geforce 3 can beat the 8500 and even if it does from the benchmarks we have seen so far its not going to be by much and don't forget some benchmarks show the beta hardware alpha driver Radeon 8500 beating or close to the performance of the post detonator 4 Geforce 3. Geeh I think Flamethrower said he had a feeling the radeon would suck (to that effect) maybe he's right (sarcastic tone) ;-} Hey Bud I think there will be a round 2 in ATI versus nVIDIA FRIENDLY DEBATE ( a.k.a Bud versus Noko).

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August 30, 2001 3:26:00 AM

By the way how do I put up an active link up on this post.
August 30, 2001 3:50:02 AM

Actually, Geforce3's can be had for around 300 dollars at a lot of places. If you think nVidia isn't planning for a large price cut upon the Radeon's release to steal their thunder, you haven't learned a thing :p 

I would expect the Geforce 3 Ultra, even if more expensive, should maintain the official 'speed crown' upon release. Most information about Radeon performance right now is pure speculation... you people should be patient and wait for the darn release for real results instead of feeding the rumor mill :D 

[Rumor mill]
Oh yeah, and I hear nVidia has an amazing new card scheduled for release either q4 2001 or q1 2002.
[/Rumor mill]

"Laziness is a talent to be cultivated like any other" - Walter Slovotsky
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August 30, 2001 4:28:10 AM

$300 !!!!!!!!

also the Radeon 8500 Maxx the geforce 3 ultra killa !!!!!!!

and the R300 the geforce 4 killa !!!!!!

Nvidia is beating like a little red headed russian step child.

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
August 30, 2001 9:33:27 AM

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August 30, 2001 2:01:59 PM

Wait... are you saying nVidia is 'beating off like a little red headed russian step child', or 'beaten like a little red headed russian step child'? Cause the two are very different :D 

The MAXX isn't gonna be out for a good long while, and what the hell is R300? Maybe we should wait for Radeon II to come out before talking about Radeon III. nVidia is the company in this biz with the most rapid product development cycle, the most marketshare, the most money to throw around, and the most good press amongst gamers in this day. They're due for a new product soon, and even if they count the Geforce3 Ultra as the latest new product, they still gotta come up with something new and amazing by late winter/spring to stay true to their schedule.

I imagine nVidia is just waiting in the shadows to pounce on ATI, right when they think they're at the crowning moment of their glory.

ATI: "Today marks the release of the Radeon II, and we finally have a product that's faster and looks better than nVidia's top of the line!"

nVidia: "Oh... oops. We're sorry, but we just bought your company with a wad of cash, and we're deciding we're not going to use any of your technology in any new products. You are the weakest link!"

"Laziness is a talent to be cultivated like any other" - Walter Slovotsky
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August 30, 2001 5:59:38 PM

I say that nvidia cant buy ATi it would be a monoply.

AMD user's always have the edge !<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by intel_meltdown on 08/30/01 02:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 30, 2001 8:04:34 PM

Quote:
"Oh... oops. We're sorry, but we just bought your company with a wad of cash, and we're deciding we're not going to use any of your technology in any new products. You are the weakest link!"

Assuming the subject of the retort is 3DFX. The assets they acquired included plenty of engineers including all of the SGI/Gigapixel personnel. The first major project these guys are working on is the NV30, though they did make minor contributions in the XBox project. I'm glad they moved away from their six month release model, so they can take their time perfecting everything.

Any way, I don't think the Rampage fitted in with nVidia's plan with T&L and whatnot, also considering it is extremely pricey on production. It would've more than rivalled ATI on picture quality though.

nVidia will not be allowed to take over ATI, even if they could afford it ala anticompetitiveness. Forcing IMGTEC to sell videologic and the graphics assets could be a different story though.

The Radeon MAXX would be an expensive card. Those chips don't come as cheap as they used to. Also, the memory thing. I think nVidia will have quite a bit of room to price the GF3 Ultra, also depending on the price of the Radeon 8500 AIW??, the GF3 Advanced can be comfortabily priced.


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August 30, 2001 8:53:37 PM

sorry for the off topic post, but i wish you'd come up with a sig that we could debate again...

i'm too much of a procrastinator to do it myself.

i had a drink the other day... opinions were like kittens i was givin' away
August 31, 2001 12:10:26 AM

It is obvious some of you guys don't know what you are saying for example someone commented that the Radeon 8500 performance is "PURE speculation", first of all for something to be PURE speculation means that there is no solid evidence for what I am saying.Tom himself has benchmarks of the beta hardware of Radeon 8500 up and running how can my comments than be PURE speculation that makes no ------* sense. To understand what the R300 is you need to know that engineers at ATI are split up into a West Team and a East Team if my memory serves me correct the West team works on the R300. The west team are not your 'traditional' ATI engineers they consist of people who come from ARTX (ATI bought them out) , remeber these people worked on the graphics subsystem on the Nintendo Gamecube. Some may say so what nVIDIA worked on the X-BOX I'll comment on that later. The West team will have engineering samples of the R300 ready by the end of this year or they are already finished. The R300 is ATI's directx 9 ready component. How good is the west team well lets talk about the Game-Cube (this not speculation) there is a 3d Star Wars gaming coming up on this console that can run at 1920*1600 at 60fps per second.The graphics subsystem can output to a HDTV from the word go while the X-BOX can do so with the purchase of some additional hardware. And if (lets speculate) nVIDIA gets the speed crown it is still in trouble, (reason) though there was a significant speed gap between ATI's best Radeon and and nVIDIA's third best cards ATI was still able to reduce nVIDIA's market share siginficantly in comparison to last year imagine what ATI can do with a card that can reduce the gap even just a little bit.On some websites (example ibuyer.net) the ATI-ALL-Wonder Radeon was the most searched graphics card.Check the All-in-wonder 8500 DV (yes it has a built in firewire port) and comes with one very eye catching REMOTE CONTROL. John Carmack said on the net the next doom game with all features on would run faster on the Radeon 8500.I could just rattle on and on but my point is ATI is not in trouble if anything it has a very bright future.
August 31, 2001 2:27:02 AM

Oooh, I'm going to enjoy tearing this one apart. Well... maybe I'll go easy, but only cause you're a forum stranger :D 

First of all, that someone was not just 'someone', it was ME. Please do give me the credit there, won't you?

You also seem to have read only what you wanted to read. I said "Most of the information" concerning the Radeon II's performance is 'pure speculation' (upon which you went off on a misdirected rant), because MANY of the performance numbers being tossed around are concerning features such as Truform and Smoothvision that have NOT been enabled on ANY reference boards available to reviewers. Most people are also touting the 'potential' performance of ATI being vastly greater than the Geforce3, just because the drivers may leave room for improvement. I'm sorry, but ATI does not have a proven track record with their drivers, and this is their chance to turn that around. Until they do however, any assumption otherwise is PURE SPECULATION! You need to learn to discern the meat of an argument better rather than nitpicking someone's words and general expressions.

The reason behind Radeon's better showing in market growth in the past year was in part due to the general slowdown in the economy and less desire for high end cards. The midrange priced cards got the most attention from the average consumer, and Radeon did well to have several versions of their Radeon in the low end. Don't forget the AIW packages, something nVidia is only just now countering with Personal Cinema.

As to DOOM, I know exactly why it *should* run faster on the 8500, and it's not really a fault of the Geforce3's hardware. The Ge3 is already swiftly aging as far as new game software in development goes, and it is basically considered the minimum card level for playability of DOOM I believe. The 8500 may be be a few FPS above it, but the card generation after these two products will be the real target for that game.

I never once said ATI was in trouble except in jest, with the 3dfx reference. ATI has made the right moves to try and counter nVidia's massive growth, but the real question will be whether they can execute everything properly this fall/winter and whether or not their next gen product will take the speed crown from nVidia's next gen card.

The GameCube looks moderately interesting, but of course it has better hardware specs.... Nintendo has been waiting in the wings for years now so they can have the "last laugh" in the next generation console market. Hell... they've pretty much missed an entire console generation they've waited so long.

I don't care [-peep-] for Brand Loyalty, but ATI still has a ways to go to prove they can earn my money. My current card is a Ge2 GTS, so I'll be needing an upgrade next spring... the Ge3 vs. 8500 debate is pretty much a moot point for me in that case :D 

"Laziness is a talent to be cultivated like any other" - Walter Slovotsky
August 31, 2001 3:30:32 AM

whats awsome (i saw the card on ati's site) is that it supports dual monitor! which is awsome for prgorammers such as myself that need lots of space! Also! look at the all in wonder card! ohmyfreakinGod! it has 2 firewire ports too on top of everything else! pretty sick (meaning cool)! Not out till fall though doh! .. i'll prolly get the 8500 cos i could use the dual monitor more then the tv tunor and all that.. i'm busy with school anyway to watch tv so...

can't wait! me want me want me want! *drools* :p 








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August 31, 2001 3:31:30 AM

yes its called the R300 a fully Directx 9 GPU. Nurbs supported.

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
August 31, 2001 3:36:31 AM

Just in case anyone was wondering why I don't blow kisses all over ATI....

I was one of the poor unfortunate souls subjected to the torture of owning a Rage 128. Worst card ever...period. I pray that ATI never unleashes such an abomination again.

"Laziness is a talent to be cultivated like any other" - Walter Slovotsky
August 31, 2001 3:42:51 AM

I went Rage Pro -> Savage4 32mb AGP -> Radeon 32mb DDR

sorry i missed the Rage128

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
August 31, 2001 8:50:52 AM

I know. Its kinda hard. I'll see if I can *think of* any. :-)


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September 1, 2001 3:49:05 AM

Let me apologize to SerArthurDayne apparently I did go off in a SLIGHTLY missdirected rant, you can't let a past experience with a now ancient ATI card make you rule out the Radeon 8500, remeber nVIDIA's first card the NV1 was considered to be one of the worst cards of all time performance was terrible and very buggy and look were nVIDIA is now.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by nexus_alpha on 08/31/01 11:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 1, 2001 4:18:52 AM

Well as i remember ATi was started long before was before 3dfx and Nvidia. I remember back in that day. Doom and Duke Nukem where the 3d shooters. ATi vs. s3 vs. Trident vs. Matrox in a 4-way battle royal. Gotta love those days. Now its a 2 company battle between ATi and Nvidia.

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