<< 4 times the speed, WOW! Plus hopefully an improved FSAA (not that the KyroII is bad) and anisotropic filtering. >>
Hopefully free FSAA, its possible with tile based rendering, although I haven't heard anything about this feature being in Kyro III.
<< Not sure if the KyroIII or whatever it will be called will have a DX8.1 vertex or pixel shader (as if any game will really need it next year) but a hardware T&L capable chip should really make it scream. >>
Nope there's been nothing mention by either PowerVR or IMGTEC of pixel/vertex shaders.
holygrenade:
<< See... My problem here is anything you tell me here is a piece of second hand information, even if you aquired the information straight from the horses mouth. I am getting this information over a public forum, and should this cause a legal problem, all you'll be required to do is remove your post or tomshardware will be asked to do it on you're behalf. >>
And if any of those sites made up quotes they too would simply be asked to pull the story or be forced to pull the story by a judge. Also I haven't given much second hand info here. Only that IMGTEC were very tight lipped on Kyro II Ultra and Kyro III (that can be backed up by Dave Baumann of Beyond3d who ws in the interview as well) and that IMGTEC said that the interview with ST's president was real. Anything else I've used in this thread has been public info from other sources or simply logical opinions. Also the very fact that I use my common nickname (the name I use everywhere else including my own PowerVR site) shows that I'm not likely to lie about things that have been said to me by IMGTEC. Doing that in public risks my relationship with IMGTEC.
<< Now, when The Inquirer or The Register post a report, as a news publisher they are required to be able to prove that they're not just posting a load of bollocks unless they strictly mention that on the report. if someone should hold a legal grudge over that report, much damage can be done against them. In fact, too much for its worth. >>
No there not, how in the world could the register prove that the Kyro III is delayed considering they don't actually use any of there own info?. They use other peoples info (X-Bit) and they don't even know 0 if that info is real. Not to mention that there planely wrong. The only way they can possibly say its being delayed is if there going by the release date given by the president of ST. The president of ST said it would be released either late 2001 or early 2002. The register says this "STMicroelectronics' successor to its well-regarded Kyro II chip appears to have been delayed. Not much, mind - instead of an anticipated late 2001 release, we should expect it to surface early 2002.". Hmmm in what way is that a delay?
<< I am sorry, but I would have to believe them over you in regards to any conflicting reports. The fact is companies do not explicitly give release dates like this until there is an amount of certainty. But hints are often dropped in interviews, which the reporter picks up. If they're there, they're there... if not then it quite possible wasn't the best interview. Something was missed. >>
Well considering there saying something that I've been saying for months (Kyro III will be released either late 2001 or early 2002) there's no need to beleive them over me. I don't quite see the relivance of your comment on companies not announcing release dates without an amount of certainty.
<< For the record, some (not all) of my info did come from xbit labs, who don't have a policy of repeating company press conferences but making their own analysis using past records and the amount of info the company has released. I don't think that is a bad idea and it has worked in the past. >>
The info from X-Bit was about Kyro II Ultra which nobody has ever said would be released (nor does anyone really care if it is or not as its simply a faster Kyro II). ST's president said they were just thinking about releasing it. Also your trusted friends at X-Bit do nothing but back me up on Kyro III, they just don't realise it "As far as the upcoming product from STM goes (we mean KYRO 3), which is supposed to be a 0.13-micron chip clocked at 250-300MHz with tile four-pipeline architecture and a hardware T&L unit, its launch is postponed. Instead of the initially planned late 2001, KYRO 3 is now scheduled for early 2002.". As I've already said Kyro III was never scheduled for late 2001, the only person at either IMGTEC or ST that has mentioned Kyro III's released is ST's president and he said that Kyro III would be released either late 2001 or early 2002, so again this is not a delay.
So now that I actually read these *stories* closer I'm seeing that there no actually lying about a delay, they just don't realise that ST gave the early 2002 date from the start.
<< In my opinion, they haven't been releasing any "ground breaking" products since the PCX2. I say PCX2 because 1 didn't work properly. I don't think Tiling is all they hyped it too be. If they had a card to seriously compete with the GeForce 3 now, let alone the coming Radeon 8500 and the GeForce3 Ti500, I would be impressed and have a totally different opinion, but that is not likely to happen. >>
I'm not quite sure what your saying here, are you saying that PCX2 is the most ground braking product IMGTEC ever made because it didn't work??
), I must be misunderstanding you there. Also what does how fast or competative the Kyro II is have to do with tiling being over hyped?. How fast Kyro II is rely's on number of pixels pipes and TU's ect and tiling itself shows its self not to be overhyped...why?...one sentence..a card with the fillrate and memory bandwidth of a TNT2 is as fast and sometimes faster then a GTS because it utilizes tile based rendering.
<< Afterall, everyone is in it to make money. The graphics busines is no longer a prime earning arena for IMGTEC, so they pay less attention to it. That is why I usually have better things to say about products from nVidia or ATI. >>
I'm bewildered by that comment, what do you mean "The graphics busines is no longer a prime earning arena for IMGTEC, so they pay less attention to it."?? IMGTEC (or more accurately ST as IMGTEC simply make a design and licence it to ST) are more focused on the graphics card market then ever. Since linking up with ST they've released to chips in the space of a year. The reason there more focused is partly because they no longer rake in profits from Dreamcast chips and also because their now licencing designs to a much more ambitious company (ST) then the one that made all there graphics chips up until Kyro (NEC)). There more succesful right now in the PC graphics chip market then ever before, there selling loads of Kyro 1 and II in europe (twice as many Kyro 1's are sold in the U.K then MX's, infact one store I got sales stats for sold more Kyro 1's then ANY other board including all Nvidia, ATI, 3DFX and Kyro II boards, they also sold more Kyro II boards then any other boards appart from Kyro 1). But the main difference between now and past chips from IMGTEC is that loads of Kyro II's are being sold in the U.S as well as a nice amount of Kyro 1's as well which can't be said for any of the other PowerVR chips in the past.
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