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Windows XP.

Was it worth the hype I ask myself?

Coming from a well setup and thought through 2000 installation, I thought I have a bash at installing my recently obtained copy of Windows XP Professional.

Now, for most of this I'm fortunate, because being a careful sort of chap, I generally have at lease a backup, if not a backup copy of my irreplaceable data on another PC.

I'm glad I do this.

Firstly I decide to to dual install XP onto the same partition as 2000. Now, fair is fair, it does say it is not a recommended configuration, but it was never an issue in other versions, and it installed okay, into its own WINXP directory.

Booted up, got into it. Okay, some natty graphics and entry screens - but as a supposedly secure OS is sucks. It asks you for admin passwords when setting up, but then forces you to create at least one logon name at 1st login, which by defaul has admin priviledges. As do every other name you create then. With no option (at that time) to set passwords.

You then end up in an OS anf gui which looks and feels very much the way windows 98 did to me the first time I saw it, only scaled up to the point of being very, what's the word? Fluffy. All pretty icons and pictures (yes, I know it is windows) and no hard, rough, available tools.

The only icon on your desktop is a recycle bin. reassuring - not.

Driver support is very good, GeForce2 Ultra, via chipset, promise raid all working out of the box and the via all at DMA access as well!

Now I had unfortunately seen this product as a replacement of 2000. I was sold on uptime, stability and such.

I rebooted back into 2000 again and found to my dismay that in some way, Houston, we have a problem. Started getting library errors, NAV won't run, cannot access modules from 2000 computer manager.

Yep, despite installing into a fresh directory, my 2000 installation was officially RIP.

Well, what the hect, XP runs and looks okay, let's re-install the partition on my 80GB disk with just XP.

Probably a dumb idea, but I let XP repartition the space, and it blew the whole 80GB right back to factory ready. Ah yes, thank you Microsft, I shall so enjoy replicating that 19GB of MP3s and 10GB of home photos over my wireless LAN again when this is all over.

Anyway, we get a clean, full build of XP underway. Installation is a breeze, virtually nothing to do except push return a few times.

Get back into XP. Right, what do we have here?

I have an OS with the promise of great things. It will be my multimedia hub, allowing greater image, music and video management. It allows digital editing, CD-R(W) native from the OS, it allows people to connect to you PC from anywhere and work on it. It allows all sorts of really neat stuff, but it doesn't do very much I cannot do on 2000 already, that I want to at any rate.

So, first things first, I have an ISO file I want to burn to get some installations rolling (Office XP seems like a good candidate). Well, I know there are issues with EasyCD, but I'll go for the install anyway (don't feel like hunting for Microsofts attempt right now) and do a limited install of Easy CD 5. System crashes, and is unrecoverable, due to missing system files. And there's me without an ERD yet. Ooops.

Well, what I found in my foray is that XP seems not to offer _that_ much to me as my 2000 does pretty much everythign I ask of it - well, it will when I re-install it again. XP seemed very 'pretty' but its default security sucked, and there were no really familiar tools and interfaces to dive into to lock it down.

Sure, those familiar with security requirements will know what to look for (roughly) but I got nervous about the amount of stuff it had included, what it all does and how to control and log it.

For me, XP was a brief foray, and I don't think I'm heading back that way until either I have learned more about it, or I hear it does something that I don't realise that I want that I cannot do now.

Sure - there are cool features. Switch to another user without killing the current users session, remote consoling, excellent (proported) multimedia capability. I was not impressed with either stability, or managment interface. You can, given enough time, hack most of it around to look like 2K again, but I'm not going to bother. The 2K CD is coming out again tomorrow and I re-install. I get the opportunity to redo that raid array again too - so I guess I should be thankful for something.

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I had a similar experience installing WinXP Home Edition (oem copy) on my system using WinME.
I thought I was cautious when I installed XP Home. First off I booted from a WinME start disk and deleted the primary dos partition. Rebooted into the bios and made my cd-rw the primary boot device. Rebooted with the WinXP Home disk in the cd drive and setup started. Everything went well and in 30 minutes I was running WinXP.
Now this is when things get strange. I noticed all my hardware except the Audigy soundcard had native Microsoft drivers. As well I noticed Windows decided to skip C drive altogether and installed everything under G drive. Which is pretty strange since my hard drive has only one active partition.
So I go about installing the optimized drivers for my hardware starting out with the chipset drivers. Load the drivers cd into the cd-rw and Windows pops up telling me it doesn't see the cd in the drive. Ok try again and the auto play worked and I go about selecting my drivers. Then the drivers wouldn't load. I go about this for a few hours. I downloaded drivers off the Internet etc. I get everything working but I still had a nagging feeling something wasn't right.
So I decided to relax and watch a DVD. That was a no go. I couldn't get Windows to recognize or playback any DVD's. Back to the drivers!!! Reinstalled agp drivers, soundcard drivers even tried a software DVD decoder. Nothing worked.

I started at noon it was now midnight and I was thoroughly frustrated. Out came the WinXP cd and I deleted everything and reinstalled everything again. I didn't do anything different during the setup but this time after Windows installed there was a C drive. hmmmm. No more errors loading optimized hardware drivers from cd's. Everything went well and I shut down the system at 3am.
So far today no problems. I hope it stays that way.
Very weird. I still have know idea why the first install went awry.

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Reply to zpyrd

I loaded Win XP Professional, the final beta. Looked nice! Couldn't do much, hard to find any real controlls, most of my software was incompatable, much of my hardware was incompatable (couldn't find a single TV card that worked), couldn't burn CD coppies (would not allow direct coppies), could not run DVD player, 20% slower in 3D benchmarks, memory full all the time.....
I would not recommend it to anyone. I think those who do are doing so based on the facination that it's new. Oh, and that it's supposed to save our economy by forcing people to buy new equipement.

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Reply to Crashman

Runs great here. Better performance, faster, hasn't crashed once. I would suggest a clean install, but it worked flawlessy as an upgrade.

Granted I went from 98se to XP, not 2K, so I don't really know if we're comparing the same thing. Nonetheless, XP is rock stable so I have no reason to even consider 2K.

Problem for some might be that you're running illegal versions. Are you sure that you're running the final build? I have the retail build at least and it's perfect.

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Reply to dhlucke

Better perfomance? You must have had 98SE seriously screwed up then. No, I didn't have stability problems with it either, but it can't run a bunch of my cards or software and is hard to tweak.

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Reply to Crashman

like I said - it offers me nothing over 2k. I can imagine that it is a win generally over 98, however the exceptionally limited 3rd party software support (i.e. if MS didn't include support, it doesn't work).

That is the full release version, checked against MS for hotfixes....

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Was a universal message Crashman....

I can't really speak on behalf on your hardware and software, but mine works fine. Took me a couple hours to get the drivers for my old voodoo3 card, but that was about the only trouble. The OS hasn't even been released so I have no complaints...

Never used win2K, but like I said I don't really see a reason....

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Reply to dhlucke

Java can be downloaded. I still don't think any higher about MSFT's business practices, but I'm at least thrilled to have an OS that hasn't crashed in weeks.

What other software?

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Reply to dhlucke

OK, I can't use ANY TV tuner card-none are supported by XP that I know of. I own an STB TVPCI and an ATI TV-Wonder.
My USB modem is not supported.
My DVD-decoder card (needed for a "special" thing I do) won't work.
Some of my sound software is not suported.
Some of my CD-Editing software is not supported.
Norton issued a warning that using one of their progrmas would cause a permanent failure in the O.S.
And yes, the dreaded loss of performance in benchmarks. We are supposed to cope with that by buying new hardware.

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Reply to Crashman

I have to agree with Crashman.
I have not done any benchmark tests yet. I don't need to because I know they will be far less than the WinME results.
DVD playback really sucks. The WinXP drivers for my ATI 32MB DDR card are from Microsoft. ATI drivers are not released for full XP optimization.
As for stablity I have not run the software long enough to make a valid opinion. My copy is an OEM version of XP Home Edition.
Also I don't have certified XP drivers for my Soundblaster Audigy card. Currently using Win2000 drivers for my soundcard. I didn't bother loading any of the Creative software and I am only using the Windows Volume Controls to adjust level and tone.
What do I have here. A $200 video card and $100 sound card with the quality of integrated chipset video and audio components. F*****g Great OS!!! " :frown: "

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Reply to zpyrd

I "upgraded" to XP as soon as the final version was available for pre-release. While
will probably be forced to use a newer operating system in the future, right no XP offers me nothing but less compatability and slower performance. I've been working with quality parts and 98SE long enough that stability is no longer a problem.

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Reply to Crashman

I am still runing win 3.11 because it is faster than win 95/98/me/2000/xp no microsoft commies are going to make me buy new hardware damn it I going to get get my $2000 out of this machine

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Reply to mbaha

You haven't already? I got $2,000 out of my machine in the first month! :)

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Reply to Mavicator

no it takes at least 15 years
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