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February 19, 2013 11:01:10 AM

I think gaming laptop right now is really worthed to buy than a desktop pc. I knew this a pretty strong statement,but in my country i calculate the component Setup that will produce a certain performance the chassis and the mouse & keyboard and monitor speaker everything,OS,PSU! And i found some gaming laptop with that certain performance and it's the same price! Even lower,with all the thing bundled into 1 thing and you don't need to running around the shop to found every component right, i mean you got a very reliable warranty(laptop with certain brand example:msi),and the most important thing portable!.maybe some of you won't agree,maybe because"laptop screen is small"or"it' performance miles away than a desktop" or still it's pretty weighty".but if you really like that "big screen" why don't you just buy an 17.3 inch or 18.4 inch laptop or just plug it your 40" tv?.(notice that i knew that there is difference performance in the same type of component example:gtx 660m is different than gtx 660 desktop,but it will match gtx 560 or a gtx 650 ti,maybe just a little bit different speed(that miles ahead statement is just too much underestimate laptop,which i was too but this year is real different,with the nvidia 700m and amd 8000m series will be available),i mean who cares about that very little bit difference,with a gtx 660m you can play bf3 full hd ultra setting 30fps+(maybe just some setting lowered by just 1 level,no one will ever notice in the real gaming session).with gtx 660m(already a kepler model which is nice :) ) you can get a laptop with just weight 2.4 kg,that's much better than your pc tower 6kg-8kg(that's really not practical ,even if you manage somehow to bring it around,you still have to bring the speaker,monitor,mouse keyboard, that's just impossible),ooo,about battery life(still a downside,(just 2 hours hard gaming, 4 is top and you can just plug in the ac adapter but some of you will say"ooo,then we got a moving deaktop gaming!",as i mention earlier,laptop much practical than a desktop pc to get the maximum use ,some of you will find this subjective and some of you will find this a fact and.some of you will find this is ****. But i still in hold my opinion hard.remember you always can consider laptop that more poweful than gtx 660m .in store right now there are much choice of powerful gaming laptop.
People are just too biased to believe something radical even it's right.
February 19, 2013 11:07:17 AM

I agree with most of what you are saying. Keep in mind, for some of us it's not just about components. I game on a desktop because I travel a lot.

I have my desktop, a notebook, and a tablet. Depending on how light I want to travel, dictates what I take with me.

I also am a fan of Desktops because the average user can swap components. Just my thoughts!
February 19, 2013 11:08:13 AM

Msi does have a nice platform for gaming in mobile. Take these Barebone Laptops, you will need a few things still to have it function, but they are very nice.
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February 19, 2013 11:39:18 AM

Thanks for that,barebone msi laptop link.i just realize msi have barebone laptop.
Ya,i agree about the desktop is much more easily swappable component than a laptop buy.(it reminds me my sad experience with the desktop pc) on 2009 i've an entry desktop setup(still core 2 duo ,and ddr2 ram.250 gb hdd an nvidia gt 9800.)in range 1 year i still can upgrade component easily.but when i want to upgrade on 2011 i was in shock that, the mobo i used is not compatible anymore with any components in store! They told me i have to change almost everything in my pc setup,then it cost pretty much.and i's just never been the same.and i think is much better to periodically i "refresh" component every 3 years.then i think again it's a better option to buy laptop every 3 years.
a b D Laptop
a b 4 Gaming
February 19, 2013 11:44:21 AM

my 2 cents, the only reason to buy a laptop is the need for portability. other than that, im in for a desktop hands down.

running around the shop? maybe it's just me, but running around and actually building it is half the fun.

a few things i like about desktop, first, you pick your parts. sure it takes some know-how, but selecting based on performance, price, looks, etc, is fun for me. Loads of cases to choose from, different fans, cooling configuration. Case modification.
also, this one, a big advantage for me and a big disadvantage of a laptop. UPGRADES. Let's see here, a desktop and a laptop, both 2 years old. A desktop, you can upgrade practically any part. To a laptop, what, ram and hdd? sure sometimes other parts can be replaced but that is rare. And when you decided to buy a new one, for a laptop you replace practically everything, even the freakin monitor.
for a desktop, you keep the case if you want to, the keyboard/mouse, psu, gpu, etc.

if you have thermal issues, you can fix it. for a laptop, you can only do so much. and yes i like 24/27 inch monitors.

sorry for the long post, just my 2 cents, to each his own.
February 19, 2013 12:11:27 PM

Yeah,that's one of my concern too about changing the key board ,mouse,even monitor.but you know i'm kinda a techy guy so i would really be have no problem with changing the " other thing" beside core component,because who knows 3 years later maybe a monitor with a very decent quality(not a tn,and "real led"ips,or even.120hz (3d monitor become standard),because now is just not happening .and you know there are some brands that is a desktop killer ,which allow it's user to upgrade gpu,cpu,thermal paste,even the monitor.)and
The msi G series now features gaming killer lan modem.with a price lower than the desktop version
February 19, 2013 6:43:10 PM

I see where your coming from. I can't fully disagree or agree with it as what you are saying can be right in some situations and true if you do things a certain way.

For me I prefer desktops due to being able to build it from the ground up and choose my parts. Have it setup with vastly superior cooling, and overclock it well beyond what you can do with a laptop due to this. Not to mention you have access to far more powerful components if you so choose.

And than you can easily do a quick "refresh" on components every few years. I personally plan to delay it till the parts are useless for me anymore and just use the case, optical drives, HD's, and anything else I can salvage. And keep the monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. So I only have to replace the main components, which to me makes the 2nd time around when you do the upgrades vastly cheaper.

Though if you prefer to not overclock, and always buy everything new (keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc) when you upgrade the tower I can see how just buying the laptop be a good option. Especially if you don't build the desktop towers by yourself your more limited on good components and I can see a laptop and desktop equaling about the same price and performance when everything is factored into together when I stop to think about it. And add in the fact that it is mobile, I can see where your views come from quite easily.

Will I ever go the gaming laptop route again, no probably not I had too many bad experiences with it. I think I stick to my cheap lightweight laptops like my chromebook and my power hungry overclocked tower desktops to game and get real work done. It just works for me.
a b D Laptop
February 19, 2013 6:50:37 PM

Just keep in mind that any laptop that compares to any desktop component wise, the desktop will stomp it in the mud performance wise. As an example, a mobile i7 and 680m will get beat down by a desktop i7 and discrete 680.
a b D Laptop
February 19, 2013 6:56:30 PM

arvinzd said:
I think gaming laptop right now is really worthed to buy than a desktop pc. I knew this a pretty strong statement,but in my country i calculate the component Setup that will produce a certain performance the chassis and the mouse & keyboard and monitor speaker everything,OS,PSU! And i found some gaming laptop with that certain performance and it's the same price! Even lower,with all the thing bundled into 1 thing and you don't need to running around the shop to found every component right, i mean you got a very reliable warranty(laptop with certain brand example:msi),and the most important thing portable!.maybe some of you won't agree,maybe because"laptop screen is small"or"it' performance miles away than a desktop" or still it's pretty weighty".but if you really like that "big screen" why don't you just buy an 17.3 inch or 18.4 inch laptop or just plug it your 40" tv?.(notice that i knew that there is difference performance in the same type of component example:gtx 660m is different than gtx 660 desktop,but it will match gtx 560 or a gtx 650 ti,maybe just a little bit different speed(that miles ahead statement is just too much underestimate laptop,which i was too but this year is real different,with the nvidia 700m and amd 8000m series will be available),i mean who cares about that very little bit difference,with a gtx 660m you can play bf3 full hd ultra setting 30fps+(maybe just some setting lowered by just 1 level,no one will ever notice in the real gaming session).with gtx 660m(already a kepler model which is nice :) ) you can get a laptop with just weight 2.4 kg,that's much better than your pc tower 6kg-8kg(that's really not practical ,even if you manage somehow to bring it around,you still have to bring the speaker,monitor,mouse keyboard, that's just impossible),ooo,about battery life(still a downside,(just 2 hours hard gaming, 4 is top and you can just plug in the ac adapter but some of you will say"ooo,then we got a moving deaktop gaming!",as i mention earlier,laptop much practical than a desktop pc to get the maximum use ,some of you will find this subjective and some of you will find this a fact and.some of you will find this is ****. But i still in hold my opinion hard.remember you always can consider laptop that more poweful than gtx 660m .in store right now there are much choice of powerful gaming laptop.
People are just too biased to believe something radical even it's right.



I'm sorry to tell you that you have a lot to learn. The cure for wanting a laptop is owning a laptop. Good luck.
February 19, 2013 7:13:04 PM

vrumor said:
Just keep in mind that any laptop that compares to any desktop component wise, the desktop will stomp it in the mud performance wise. As an example, a mobile i7 and 680m will get beat down by a desktop i7 and discrete 680.


^this.

For a laptop to be on par with a desktop build your going to spend about twice as much. A i7 mobile proc, or 680m (mobile version) is a lot different then your 3770k or discrete 680.

It's a good theory and as technology advances I think they'll get there. But they aren't on par yet. Not even close really.
a b D Laptop
February 19, 2013 7:29:22 PM

My last laptop could run TF2 fairly well, but it incinerated my leg hairs in the process (through my pants lol).
February 19, 2013 7:44:01 PM

You mentioned the 700m coming out but it will just be a rebadge of the same old 600m series and the same goes for AMD this year too. The GTX 675M or 680M could be decent for a gaming laptop specially if you play at 1600x900 resolution. I suspect in 2014-2015 your argument will be more valid but today laptops just don't have enough GPU to satisfy most gamers.


Something that has been going on lately is SFF gaming PC's. For those who don't value portability as much to buy a laptop but don't want a large PC.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd
http://www.falcon-nw.com/desktops/tiki
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadbolt.asp?id=7...
February 19, 2013 8:51:36 PM

I made the mistake of buying a gaming laptop about 7 years ago. I paid $1,500 for a machine that ran games worse than a desktop I could have built for $1,000, it weighed twice as much as a normal laptop (not even counting its gigantic power adapter), it had worse battery life, and it ran hotter.

I learned my lesson. For almost the same amount of money you can build a decent gaming desktop and get a laptop for work, and they'll both be superior for their particular functions.







February 19, 2013 9:11:16 PM

ram1009 said:
I'm sorry to tell you that you have a lot to learn. The cure for wanting a laptop is owning a laptop. Good luck.

Not really,i don't thing that is the "cure" maybe tell me another "cure" to buy a laptop,maybe i miss something.i'll retell you that i was a desktop buider,user,fanboy,of course i have to learn more,everyone does!.
February 19, 2013 9:12:45 PM

Cons29 said:
my 2 cents, the only reason to buy a laptop is the need for portability. other than that, im in for a desktop hands down.

running around the shop? maybe it's just me, but running around and actually building it is half the fun.

a few things i like about desktop, first, you pick your parts. sure it takes some know-how, but selecting based on performance, price, looks, etc, is fun for me. Loads of cases to choose from, different fans, cooling configuration. Case modification.
also, this one, a big advantage for me and a big disadvantage of a laptop. UPGRADES. Let's see here, a desktop and a laptop, both 2 years old. A desktop, you can upgrade practically any part. To a laptop, what, ram and hdd? sure sometimes other parts can be replaced but that is rare. And when you decided to buy a new one, for a laptop you replace practically everything, even the freakin monitor.
for a desktop, you keep the case if you want to, the keyboard/mouse, psu, gpu, etc.

if you have thermal issues, you can fix it. for a laptop, you can only do so much. and yes i like 24/27 inch monitors.

sorry for the long post, just my 2 cents, to each his own.

Exactly. Power laptops only advantage to a Power desktop is portability. End of story.
February 19, 2013 9:24:32 PM

helz IT said:
I made the mistake of buying a gaming laptop about 7 years ago. I paid $1,500 for a machine that ran games worse than a desktop I could have built for $1,000, it weighed twice as much as a normal laptop (not even counting its gigantic power adapter), it had worse battery life, and it ran hotter.

I learned my lesson. For almost the same amount of money you can build a decent gaming desktop and get a laptop for work, and they'll both be superior for their particular functions.

7 years ago?Even at 2011-2012 i still hate notebooks i wouldn't consider to myself to buy a laptop 2 years ago.but now laptops are much more stronger,faster,lighter,quality.that's.why now i consider to buu a gaming laptop that below that $1500 price tag.i'm only consider to buy a gaming laptop that below $1100
February 19, 2013 9:27:13 PM

Quote:
gtx 660m is different than gtx 660 desktop,but it will match gtx 560 or a gtx 650 ti,maybe just a little bit different speed


Feel free to check out the Graphics card hierarchy which also has guesstimates of some mobile chipsets.

The 660M is in the same slot as the Discrete: 8800 Ultra, 9800 GTX, 9800 GTX+, GTS 250, GTS 450.

The GTX560 and 650Ti are 3 tiers higher up, which represents a notable difference.
a b D Laptop
February 19, 2013 9:28:46 PM

Just FYI OP, a 660m is slower than a 650 desktop chip (same chip just at 950 with boost opposed to 1058mhz).

But because a laptop includes all parts (os, keyboard, screen, speakers) a cheap laptop <$600 often has better functionality (or very similar) than a cheap desktop assuming you are starting with nothing.
February 19, 2013 9:44:48 PM

whyso said:
Just FYI OP, a 660m is slower than a 650 desktop chip (same chip just at 950 with boost opposed to 1058mhz).

But because a laptop includes all parts (os, keyboard, screen, speakers) a cheap laptop <$600 often has better functionality (or very similar) than a cheap desktop assuming you are starting with nothing.

That's kinda the thing that i talking about. Cheap desktop is bad in my experience
February 20, 2013 12:45:46 AM

I will soon get this argument alive again as soon as i come home from school
a b D Laptop
a b 4 Gaming
February 20, 2013 4:41:30 AM

well, if it is cheap, laptop or desktop, you really should not expect much from it.

while it is true that in 3 years time you will probably replace even your monitor, the thing is, you can get better performance by buying selected parts without replacing your case, monitor, etc. unlike a laptop that you basically replace everything.

and yes, mobile gpu/cpu's are slower due to thermal issues. imagine that heat source (gpu) with a gigantic cooler, try cramping that same heat source and cramp it into a laptop body. so they have to tone things down to compensate, otherwise it might melt :) 
February 20, 2013 5:14:31 AM

Meh it's all about preference. Laptops have the same power as desktops, and have the opportunity to be just as cool as a desktop without having any stupid water cooling added onto it. MAX settings to me, is not worth it anymore sitting in my room locked down because my gaming rig is 50lbs of ridiculous. I would much rather carry a 10lb gaming laptop that can run the same for about the same price even. To match desktops completely one must obviously spend 2000 + on a laptop. 7months later im sick of my 7970 build and want a laptop replacement. Being comfortable while gaming is what i want. I can't sit down and focus on games anymore i need to move around and be comfortable playing anywhere besides my room.

All preference related. I think laptops are better. I used to be that guy who thought oh yeah 100fps is so awesome, when really 50 - 60 is all you need and a lot of laptops can do that at a price lower than building a desktop. Powerful cool laptop > Desktop any day for me.

Also no choice is a good choice, graphics cards are expensive as balls, they only get more expensive the better they get. 500$ every 3 years, not too bad but then other parts start to die and things collapse. Same thing with laptops, it all has to do with luck

Do what you want, be tied down with a desktop if you don't like moving much, or get a laptop! <3
February 20, 2013 5:45:47 AM

It's down to preference but a gaming laptop is harder to troubleshoot. Unless you are good in building laptops, then I don't see how you can upgrade your laptop in a couple years down the road. Whereas a desktop, you can upgrade it later on easier than laptops.
a b D Laptop
a b 4 Gaming
February 20, 2013 5:56:05 AM

yes, preference, but i think, buck per buck a desktop is more powerful
a b D Laptop
February 20, 2013 6:08:59 AM

zvmanning said:
Meh it's all about preference. Laptops have the same power as desktops, and have the opportunity to be just as cool as a desktop without having any stupid water cooling added onto it. MAX settings to me, is not worth it anymore sitting in my room locked down because my gaming rig is 50lbs of ridiculous. I would much rather carry a 10lb gaming laptop that can run the same for about the same price even. To match desktops completely one must obviously spend 2000 + on a laptop. 7months later im sick of my 7970 build and want a laptop replacement. Being comfortable while gaming is what i want. I can't sit down and focus on games anymore i need to move around and be comfortable playing anywhere besides my room.

All preference related. I think laptops are better. I used to be that guy who thought oh yeah 100fps is so awesome, when really 50 - 60 is all you need and a lot of laptops can do that at a price lower than building a desktop. Powerful cool laptop > Desktop any day for me.

Also no choice is a good choice, graphics cards are expensive as balls, they only get more expensive the better they get. 500$ every 3 years, not too bad but then other parts start to die and things collapse. Same thing with laptops, it all has to do with luck

Do what you want, be tied down with a desktop if you don't like moving much, or get a laptop! <3


Same power as desktops? Not even close. Not even on their best day. If that were even remotely true, why would there be high end cooling products? Or even graphics cards? When just a simple slot fan would suffice? Or a dumbed down mobile GPU? Well it doesnt really, ask anyone who actually has a gaming laptop how difficult they are to keep cool. Mobile solutions will never be as powerful as a desktop, when dollar for dollar comparisons are made.
February 20, 2013 6:42:15 AM

vrumor said:
Same power as desktops? Not even close. Not even on their best day. If that were even remotely true, why would there be high end cooling products? Or even graphics cards? When just a simple slot fan would suffice? Or a dumbed down mobile GPU? Well it doesnt really, ask anyone who actually has a gaming laptop how difficult they are to keep cool. Mobile solutions will never be as powerful as a desktop, when dollar for dollar comparisons are made.


A high end thing you talking about is just for proffesional work for example like doing some visual creating thing.but for gaming(if you really need to maxed the setting like crazy aa on100x and super super ultra texture)you can always buy laptop that most likely cost $1700 and more.Even lower,if you consider to buy from a brand that build a customize barebone laptop.if you really want a quiet and have a very good cooling system. There is Asus rog,that fantasticly great in cooling system,cool design.and believe me i don't even realize that quiet and cool system is a monster gaming laptop.of course asus rog price more expensive because of the cooling and design i was talking about.it's just the same if you want to have a super cooling and quiet desktop,you will need a very high quality fan that don't make a sound and super cool,and it will cost you more money. Just the same.
February 20, 2013 7:02:34 AM

zvmanning said:
Meh it's all about preference. Laptops have the same power as desktops, and have the opportunity to be just as cool as a desktop without having any stupid water cooling added onto it. MAX settings to me, is not worth it anymore sitting in my room locked down because my gaming rig is 50lbs of ridiculous. I would much rather carry a 10lb gaming laptop that can run the same for about the same price even. To match desktops completely one must obviously spend 2000 + on a laptop. 7months later im sick of my 7970 build and want a laptop replacement. Being comfortable while gaming is what i want. I can't sit down and focus on games anymore i need to move around and be comfortable playing anywhere besides my room.

All preference related. I think laptops are better. I used to be that guy who thought oh yeah 100fps is so awesome, when really 50 - 60 is all you need and a lot of laptops can do that at a price lower than building a desktop. Powerful cool laptop > Desktop any day for me.

Also no choice is a good choice, graphics cards are expensive as balls, they only get more expensive the better they get. 500$ every 3 years, not too bad but then other parts start to die and things collapse. Same thing with laptops, it all has to do with luck

Do what you want, be tied down with a desktop if you don't like moving much, or get a laptop! <3


That's right but you should care "laptop power=desktop"
If you talking about price/performance it will be.but the maximum potential still higher on desktop.i know an sli gtx680m will beat a single gtx 680 but if its a dual gtx 680 . Laptop surely beaten. But i mean who will buy a dual monster desktop gpu just for gaming?? Even with the single gpu you would too overkill games.so still, laptop still the best choice.
And I REALLY AGGREE that locked yourself in your room to play games all the times,is a bad idea.you would be called a loner and it's boring play computer always in the same way and same play.beside you could consider the gaming laptop as a high quality graphics gaming console in a big tv with your friends .anywhere that have a big tv,or just play it on your laptop with your friend at your friends home and you could always play lan party with your laptop anywhere. Pretty cool isn'it?
February 20, 2013 7:16:29 AM

arvinzd said:
That's kinda the thing that i talking about. Cheap desktop is bad in my experience

But your thread is more about gaming laptops vs gaming desktops so this ^ doesnt really apply.

my 2 cents: I tried to go the gaming-laptop-instead-of-desktop-lane and concluded that I made a grave mistake. I will never again buy a laptop for gaming. And as someone said in a post already, building and modding the desktop is half the fun as using it :)  not to mention the fact that when I play a game I want my keyboard to be under a certain angle compared to my left hand, and that is something which is impossible to do with a laptop.
February 20, 2013 7:18:07 AM

arvinzd said:
A high end thing you talking about is just for proffesional work for example like doing some visual creating thing.but for gaming(if you really need to maxed the setting like crazy aa on100x and super super ultra texture)you can always buy laptop that most likely cost $1700 and more.Even lower,if you consider to buy from a brand that build a customize barebone laptop.if you really want a quiet and have a very good cooling system. There is Asus rog,that fantasticly great in cooling system,cool design.and believe me i don't even realize that quiet and cool system is a monster gaming laptop.of course asus rog price more expensive because of the cooling and design i was talking about.it's just the same if you want to have a super cooling and quiet desktop,you will need a very high quality fan that don't make a sound and super cool,and it will cost you more money. Just the same.

NO, you cant! The most extreme gaming laptops done even come close performance-wise as the high end desktops, how hard is it to understand this?
February 20, 2013 7:19:54 AM

mavikt said:
Quote:
gtx 660m is different than gtx 660 desktop,but it will match gtx 560 or a gtx 650 ti,maybe just a little bit different speed


Feel free to check out the Graphics card hierarchy which also has guesstimates of some mobile chipsets.

The 660M is in the same slot as the Discrete: 8800 Ultra, 9800 GTX, 9800 GTX+, GTS 250, GTS 450.

The GTX560 and 650Ti are 3 tiers higher up, which represents a notable difference.

It's not that i don't believe the tomshardware chart,but there are some inaccurate things. Gts 250 diffrent than a gts 450 i ever own both and knew the difference.and the hardware spec of gtx 660 is the same with the gtx 560(but with a faster clock and something else,the both have the same quantity stream processor (384) and 2GB Gddr 5. An based on notebook check graphics ranking . Gtx 660m is very near to gtx 550 ti,with logic you now that gtx 660m is somewhere close to gtx 560
February 20, 2013 7:21:11 AM

You try to apply logic by looking at the model numbers, that doesn't sound very logical to me.
February 20, 2013 7:25:20 AM

dangthe said:
NO, you cant! The most extreme gaming laptops done even come close performance-wise as the high end desktops, how hard is it to understand this?

See for yourself gtx 680 sli is faster than a single gpu gtx 680 desktop. Google"notebook check"gtx 680m already maxed all settings in games.it's close
February 20, 2013 7:27:15 AM

dangthe said:
You try to apply logic by looking at the model numbers, that doesn't sound very logical to me.

I'm not apply logic by the model numbers.for.god sake . I see both specifications
February 20, 2013 7:38:12 AM

arvinzd said:
See for yourself gtx 680 sli is faster than a single gpu gtx 680 desktop. Google"notebook check"gtx 680m already maxed all settings in games.it's close


OP, you've already highlighted your concern that Tom's GPU hierarchy has inaccurate content yet you base your claim on drop-down-and-select comparison website? I mean, I dunno, maybe show us some benches.

Anyway, you make a valid point in claiming that in terms of relative performance, not sheer power, the gaming laptop has more plus points. However, I'm inclined to disagree, because with $1100 or even less, I could build a rig that can smoke a similarly priced laptop and have a upgradability.

As for thermals, portability, and what not, that's subjective. I'm comfortable in sitting down and playing in my room, thank you.

I do think you're being hipster about this, but this discussion does bring a great subject for a future article, laptop vs. desktop GPUs. I hope TH's staff is reading this, I think it would be best if TH could do tests and benchmarks to finally refute or validate your claim. :D 
February 20, 2013 8:11:44 AM

Before i continue .I'm sorry . What is hipster?? I'm an asian. I don't.know
February 20, 2013 8:15:48 AM

faster23rd said:
OP, you've already highlighted your concern that Tom's GPU hierarchy has inaccurate content yet you base your claim on drop-down-and-select comparison website? I mean, I dunno, maybe show us some benches.

Anyway, you make a valid point in claiming that in terms of relative performance, not sheer power, the gaming laptop has more plus points. However, I'm inclined to disagree, because with $1100 or even less, I could build a rig that can smoke a similarly priced laptop and have a upgradability.

As for thermals, portability, and what not, that's subjective. I'm comfortable in sitting down and playing in my room, thank you.

I do think you're being hipster about this, but this discussion does bring a great subject for a future article, laptop vs. desktop GPUs. I hope TH's staff is reading this, I think it would be best if TH could do tests and benchmarks to finally refute or validate your claim. :D 

ya,it's better that TH do a benchmark test, i don't wanttomshardware misunderstood me,and i don't want to accuse.anyone. So i would like see the benchs updated.
February 20, 2013 8:21:59 AM

arvinzd said:
Before i continue .I'm sorry . What is hipster?? I'm an asian. I don't.know


Well, I'm Asian too.. Hipster, someone who prefers the counter-culture rather than the mainstream.
February 20, 2013 8:49:53 AM

faster23rd said:
Well, I'm Asian too.. Hipster, someone who prefers the counter-culture rather than the mainstream.

the thing is i counter the the old tradition of "desktop always beat laptop" because this year maybe there will be a technology leap. Like weak laptop you all talking about this year or maybe 2014 will become stronger than ever,then it's performance will be desktop performance.you see, i heard and explore more about the intel hasswell processor.that it's integrated gpu will be almost the same with gt 650m in gaming performance.it's a breakthrough! From just a little in hd 4000 into something double it.if this news really true.people will think "why we buy a 5.6 lbs laptop(usually with a gt 650m) gddr5),if there is an ultrabook with only intel hasswell(same performance) that weights much less?then nvidia and amd will work hard,some how this year or next ,they will produce a much stronger than the nvidia 600m series or amd 7000m series,so people still consider to buy a laptop with discreete gpu like nvidia and amd gpu or nvidia and amd will lose market.so basically i didn't being hipster i just being wise.
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a b 4 Gaming
February 20, 2013 8:59:51 AM

660 is different from from 560, different architecture. 660 is kepler, 560 is... err fermi? (i forgot)
February 20, 2013 9:02:47 AM

Cons29 said:
660 is different from from 560, different architecture. 660 is kepler, 560 is... err fermi? (i forgot)

Yup 660 desktop is kepler and a 560 desktop is a fermi.
Which make kepler new technology and much faster than fermi.
February 20, 2013 9:43:55 AM

arvinzd said:
I think gaming laptop right now is really worthed to buy than a desktop pc. I knew this a pretty strong statement,but in my country i calculate the component Setup that will produce a certain performance the chassis and the mouse & keyboard and monitor speaker everything,OS,PSU! And i found some gaming laptop with that certain performance and it's the same price! Even lower,with all the thing bundled into 1 thing and you don't need to running around the shop to found every component right, i mean you got a very reliable warranty(laptop with certain brand example:msi),and the most important thing portable!.maybe some of you won't agree,maybe because"laptop screen is small"or"it' performance miles away than a desktop" or still it's pretty weighty".but if you really like that "big screen" why don't you just buy an 17.3 inch or 18.4 inch laptop or just plug it your 40" tv?.(notice that i knew that there is difference performance in the same type of component example:gtx 660m is different than gtx 660 desktop,but it will match gtx 560 or a gtx 650 ti,maybe just a little bit different speed(that miles ahead statement is just too much underestimate laptop,which i was too but this year is real different,with the nvidia 700m and amd 8000m series will be available),i mean who cares about that very little bit difference,with a gtx 660m you can play bf3 full hd ultra setting 30fps+(maybe just some setting lowered by just 1 level,no one will ever notice in the real gaming session).with gtx 660m(already a kepler model which is nice :) ) you can get a laptop with just weight 2.4 kg,that's much better than your pc tower 6kg-8kg(that's really not practical ,even if you manage somehow to bring it around,you still have to bring the speaker,monitor,mouse keyboard, that's just impossible),ooo,about battery life(still a downside,(just 2 hours hard gaming, 4 is top and you can just plug in the ac adapter but some of you will say"ooo,then we got a moving deaktop gaming!",as i mention earlier,laptop much practical than a desktop pc to get the maximum use ,some of you will find this subjective and some of you will find this a fact and.some of you will find this is ****. But i still in hold my opinion hard.remember you always can consider laptop that more poweful than gtx 660m .in store right now there are much choice of powerful gaming laptop.
People are just too biased to believe something radical even it's right.


I don't know about you, OP, but I like my desktop.
I like to play game with my specific size monitor and accessories.
Even if I have my laptop, I would have my monitor, keyboard, speaker, mouse, and all other stuffs.
I've used 60" TV with my laptop, but it's just different than using 27" monitor.
I don't know how much games you got, but I have games that are over 4TB in total size.
I don't want to uninstall this to intstall other and so forth.
I like my SSD as an OS drive, apart from spaces I need.
I have 6 HDDs attached to my desktop... my laptop... has one slot... wow...
Gaming laptops got no more than 2 hdds...
I want my backup drive as well that constantly backup my documents, pictures, and etc.
I got over 10 USBs being connected to my current Desktop
Usage of USB increases with phone/tablet connection...
Let's see how may USB I got in my laptop.... 3...?
I don't care about crappy warranty that comes with the laptop.
I got warranty longer than laptop on each parts in my desktop, and I can fix the problems faster.

Do you crave for gaming so much that you have to play anywhere you're going to?
I love games, but I don't play BF3 for few minutes and pause and continue on later time.
I play games with my preferences, which will be available at my home whether I use desktop or laptop.
If I really want to play game while away, I still got my vita, 3ds, phone, etc...

There's just different usage of desktops...
I use my desktop as one stop solution, but I use my laptop for basic functionalities.
I wonder how many people would purchase the desktop and/or laptop solely for gaming...
February 20, 2013 9:48:08 AM

alphakp295 said:
I don't know about you, OP, but I like my desktop.
I like to play game with my specific size monitor and accessories.
Even if I have my laptop, I would have my monitor, keyboard, speaker, mouse, and all other stuffs.
I've used 60" TV with my laptop, but it's just different than using 27" monitor.
I don't know how much games you got, but I have games that are over 4TB in total size.
I don't want to uninstall this to intstall other and so forth.
I like my SSD as an OS drive, apart from spaces I need.
I have 6 HDDs attached to my desktop... my laptop... has one slot... wow...
Gaming laptops got no more than 2 hdds...
I want my backup drive as well that constantly backup my documents, pictures, and etc.
I got over 10 USBs being connected to my current Desktop
Usage of USB increases with phone/tablet connection...
Let's see how may USB I got in my laptop.... 3...?
I don't care about crappy warranty that comes with the laptop.
I got warranty longer than laptop on each parts in my desktop, and I can fix the problems faster.

Do you crave for gaming so much that you have to play anywhere you're going to?
I love games, but I don't play BF3 for few minutes and pause and continue on later time.
I play games with my preferences, which will be available at my home whether I use desktop or laptop.
If I really want to play game while away, I still got my vita, 3ds, phone, etc...

There's just different usage of desktops...
I use my desktop as one stop solution, but I use my laptop for basic functionalities.
I wonder how many people would purchase the desktop and/or laptop solely for gaming...


What this fine gentleman said ^
a b D Laptop
February 20, 2013 9:50:03 AM

Why even bother arguing with the guy. Anyone with any common sense would know the difference between laptop and desktop performance if compared dollar for dollar. $1000 laptop is like just above low end for gaming, $1000 desktop and its more of a midrange gamer performance wise. Go buy a laptop OP.
February 20, 2013 10:01:05 AM

Well,i'm sorry as i mentioned earlier some of you will find this subjective and some of you will find this a fact and.some of you will find this is **** and as i said earlier "in my country" the tax are pretty high here.and somehow i calculate the price between desktop and laptop.in a same performance . Laptop is lower. I mean tell me how much your desktop gaming system cost?
February 20, 2013 10:04:10 AM

vrumor said:
Why even bother arguing with the guy. Anyone with any common sense would know the difference between laptop and desktop performance if compared dollar for dollar. $1000 laptop is like just above low end for gaming, $1000 desktop and its more of a midrange gamer performance wise. Go buy a laptop OP.

With led monitor?steelseries keyboard mouse?good Speaker?good Chassis?
February 20, 2013 10:05:55 AM

arvinzd said:
Well,i'm sorry as i mentioned earlier some of you will find this subjective and some of you will find this a fact and.some of you will find this is **** and as i said earlier "in my country" the tax are pretty high here.and somehow i calculate the price between desktop and laptop.in a same performance . Laptop is lower. I mean tell me how much your desktop gaming system cost?


What shithole Asian country are you from anyway? (Sent from a shithole Asian country)
February 20, 2013 10:08:34 AM

arvinzd said:
With led monitor?steelseries keyboard mouse?good Speaker?good Chassis?


Not necessarily Steelseries keys and mice, but you could get capable peripherals and chassis for a thousand bucks.
February 20, 2013 10:20:56 AM

Amd 7970 eh? Maybe you think is good to overkill games maybe with full hd all maxed out you still got 60+ fps more? Believe me it's all just self satisfaction/lust for more max setting,maybe it will find game that require that 7970 to get stable fps with great graphics.but technology always change.
.why don't get an price/performance pc system in this year that adequate to get stable fps with good grahics,and so on every 3 years.after got that 7970 and if you see the 8970 with new technology refinement and become really worth upgrade from the 7970?you would upgrade? After you spent an expensive gpu that overkill.you would buy another expensive gpu. That'a just one the example.how about monitor?ram with ddr4? Or you would upgrade ssd to nand next year? And laptop this yearnis adequate even maybe some offer more with same price. as i mention earlier people are biased and see only with 1 perceptive
February 20, 2013 10:23:36 AM

faster23rd said:
What shithole Asian country are you from anyway? (Sent from a shithole Asian country)

Indonesia.it' just pretty hard to get gaming pc stuff with a good price.except gaming console,which i really hate.
Where'd you come from?
February 20, 2013 10:42:06 AM

assasin32 said:
I see where your coming from. I can't fully disagree or agree with it as what you are saying can be right in some situations and true if you do things a certain way.

For me I prefer desktops due to being able to build it from the ground up and choose my parts. Have it setup with vastly superior cooling, and overclock it well beyond what you can do with a laptop due to this. Not to mention you have access to far more powerful components if you so choose.

And than you can easily do a quick "refresh" on components every few years. I personally plan to delay it till the parts are useless for me anymore and just use the case, optical drives, HD's, and anything else I can salvage. And keep the monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. So I only have to replace the main components, which to me makes the 2nd time around when you do the upgrades vastly cheaper.

Though if you prefer to not overclock, and always buy everything new (keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc) when you upgrade the tower I can see how just buying the laptop be a good option. Especially if you don't build the desktop towers by yourself your more limited on good components and I can see a laptop and desktop equaling about the same price and performance when everything is factored into together when I stop to think about it. And add in the fact that it is mobile, I can see where your views come from quite easily.

Will I ever go the gaming laptop route again, no probably not I had too many bad experiences with it. I think I stick to my cheap lightweight laptops like my chromebook and my power hungry overclocked tower desktops to game and get real work done. It just works for me.

That's a good response with good reason.since 1 laptop is practicaly much easier to handle than 1 desktop(cable2,speaker,keyboard & mouse) and 1 weak cheap($250)laptop(as i'm sure i'ts still pretty heavy like 2.5 kg even with bad spec) i really consider 1 strong laptop beside it's not "green" for the earth to have many electronical devices.energy saving.electrical fees
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