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November 11, 2003 5:52:16 PM

A friend of my told me that I should switch to Firebird as my main web browser, so I gave it a try. I have to say that I wonder why I didn't do it earlier. It is much better than Microsoft Internet Explorer in every aspect. The initial loading of the program is as fast as IE, then the benefits show. The page loading time is incredibly faster then IE. When I say incredibly I mean it loads tomshardware.com 2X faster than IE.

Then there is an integrated popup blocker which works like a charm. And the best part: you can custumize every part of it. From the skin to how link react. There a literally hundreds of plugins that you can add to it.

The bottom line: TRY IT. It's only a 6Mb download. You can get it at <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/" target="_new">http://www.mozilla.org/&lt;/A>

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November 12, 2003 10:13:06 AM

Next you gotta try the Mozilla thundirbird mail client. It is a step up from Microsoft outhouse express.

Then the next big step...

Linux.

;-)

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>
November 12, 2003 4:37:20 PM

Are u preaching MS IE killer to us? This is no good ;) 

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November 12, 2003 6:05:55 PM

I am already a part-time Linux/Unix user. It's better the Windows in almost all perspective, but you still need windows to run games.

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November 12, 2003 6:54:52 PM

...And the the firebird, a phoenix of hope, shalt cometh to cleanse our sinful exploring souls in what will be not a baptism of fire, but a renaissance of freedom...

[The book of Opensourcerers]


<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>
November 12, 2003 11:39:29 PM

Yeah, I've been using Firebird for quite some time now. It's awesome. I LOVE tabbed browsing, especially in forums. If I see 5 threads I want to read, I just middle click on the five in a row, then while I read the first one, the other 4 are already loaded, so I can just switch over the tab instead of <back> <next thread>

Also, I have back = "hold right mouse and click left" and front = "hold left mouse and click right"

There's a million other extensions you can get too.

And yeah, thunderbird owns too. :) 

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November 13, 2003 2:33:59 PM

Hasn't Netscape been doing tabbed browsing since version 6?

:tongue:

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
November 13, 2003 4:54:42 PM

Netscape is basically the same program as Mozilla. And Mozilla Firebird is a lean version of Mozilla. So there are a lot of similarities between the two browsers. However, the only reason I don't like Netscape is the painfully long program loading time. Firebird does not have this.

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November 13, 2003 4:58:22 PM

Netscape is just mozilla after spending a few weeks in the tailor. (a delayed commercialised release)

Firebird is mozillas cousin thats a regular in the gym and racetracks, and an alien to the pub. (sort of just a UI on top of the gecko rendering engine)

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>
November 13, 2003 7:27:39 PM

I noticed the same thing about Netscape last night when I fired it up at home... reminded me of why I don't use it. Started using Firebird at work... may start using it at home; not sure yet.

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
November 14, 2003 10:25:01 AM

i ahve been using either netscape 6 or mozilla for the past few years. tabbed browsing is a must ahve for me now and i have gone to the extent of removing IE as much as i can from windows.

however mozilla firebird was crashing on ym winXP system almost daily and losing all the tabs i had open (bg hassle) it was also rendering some websites incorrectly or with errors.

so i downloaded mozilla 1.5 and have noticed a few features that fiurebird doesn't have yet which i really like.

when you click to shutdown the program completely, if you have more than one tab up it prompts you to close them all, i used to alwasy be stupid and press the close program x rather than the close tab x in MFB.

other than that i think they are almost identical to me, well in how they function etc...

outlook express SUCKS like crap, it takes about 2 mins to open on my adequetly powered machine, but i havn't swtiched over to thunderbird yet, i shall be doing so soon as it loads almost instantly.

i can't wait for firebird 1.0 (a more stable version) to be released as i love any mozilla application.

go open source, i am now and nearly alwasy will be a huge fan of opensource.


Alltaken

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November 14, 2003 2:53:28 PM

I also noticed a very rare bugs in firebird. Sometimes when it loads a web page it displays the HTML code instead of interpreting it. It's like it does not get the header. But I only need to do a refresh and everything goes back to normal so it does not bother me alot.

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November 14, 2003 3:20:26 PM

I'm finding my self using Firebird regularly now. I was using Opera 7 for quite a while but it seems to slow down the longer I use it. It also has some problems with rendering pages that Firebird does properly. One thing that Opera has that I'd like to see in Firebird is the the ability to save tabbed sessions. I have 3 web pages that I always go to and it's nice to have them automatically load when the browser is launched. Who knows, perahps Firebird can already do that and I don't know how. Nice product though.
November 14, 2003 7:23:52 PM

<I only need to do a refresh and everything goes back to normal so it does not bother me <b>alot</b>.>

- is it just a <b>little</b>?

Hehehehe, oooh geez, that's not even funny, ggg.

IE DOES NOT DO THAT AT ALL, so it is not bothering me either, LOL

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November 14, 2003 11:33:39 PM

Have you had a long day???

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November 14, 2003 11:35:43 PM

Thats bizarre, cos firebird uses the same html rendering engine as mozilla. The HTML not being rendered usually would mean server mime issues, or corruption of data in transit.

If things get fixed when you do a refresh prolly means you're getting incomplete cached data from somwhere.

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>
November 14, 2003 11:41:22 PM

The problem I've seen in firebird is when you open lots of tabs, around 20 or so (bad habit of mine), the windows go a bit funny and stop refreshing. You have to scroll the page to see the updated page.

Also the acrobat integration is a bit iffy with the lates acrobat. If you are viewing a pdf document in the browser and then open acrobat (outside the browser), when you close acrobat, the pdf document in the browser will also close. It also takes a while to close the last pdf document in the tabs.


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November 14, 2003 11:50:12 PM

IE, hmmmm....

Insecure.
Technologically inferior.
No usability features.
Cannot change font sizes, unless they're using the font tags with relative sizing.
Insecure.
Not standards compliant.
Has less css2 features implemented.
Buggy CSS1 implementation.
Did I mension insecure?
Needs a huge chunk of your hard drive.
Slow.
A Firebird browser with multiple tabs can take less memory than IE.
Essetially rubbish.

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>
November 15, 2003 7:23:03 AM

yes i found that without fail acrobat in mozilla firebord would render it completely un-usable LOL

the entire mozilla would crash etc...

i think it might happen in normal mozilla as well so i jsut avoid opening PDF's from the web and instead save them.

as for mozilla firebird being mozillas rendering engine and theroreticallly rendering things the same, i have found the mozilla firebirds rendering to be far more unstable and have seen many rendering errors.

it could be to do with other factors such as my hardware or other software. but hey if it don't work it don't work LOL

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November 15, 2003 1:33:22 PM

I agree with you on almost everything... just a couple of things:

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Cannot change font sizes, unless they're using the font tags with relative sizing.


Never had an issue with this. I've been able to adjust text size for every site I visit.

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Slow.


Maybe it's just me, but I really can't tell the difference in speed. Firebird seems to open this site faster, for example, but I find it draws the screen very slowly at times compared to IE. Now, if you have 20+ IE windows open like 20+ Firebird tabs, yeah, it's going to slow down significantly; considering the large chunk of memory that's going to take. I've seen IE take 30+ MB of memory just with one window open on a single page! It stands to reason that if you have a few of those open, your system will slow to a crawl.

Work is the only place I have multiple sites up at once... my work stuff and a couple message boards. ;)  I hardly ever need more than one IE window open at home, so it's memory footprint isn't an issue. Even with 2 or 3 open, it's performance doesn't really suffer.

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November 15, 2003 3:15:00 PM

If you use CSS for styling your document, as you should, then IE cannot resize fonts. You have to set the font size using percentage in CSS if you want IE to be able to resize the fonts. Gecko based browser and Opera can change it regardless. With much better granularity, might I add.



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November 15, 2003 7:22:27 PM

I know it's weird, but I don't have any packet loss, and when I use IE it never does that. Also another bug I noticed is sometimes the scroll bars just don't appear. To solve the problem I have to create a new tab and reopen the page in that tab. Weird...

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November 15, 2003 10:38:16 PM

Well, it IS still in beta, and with each update it does get better. You would get some weird problems if you always get the overnight releases instead of one of the published betas.

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November 16, 2003 12:10:56 PM

I got the stable release 0.7 so I think it's just some bugs that they haven't ironned out yet. I know it's still in beta, that's why I don't complain, I just point out some bugs that should be fixed before the version 1.0.

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November 17, 2003 1:33:06 PM

Just downloaded Firebird and have used it for a few days now - and have a few comments and questions:
1. Is there any way to add a quick launch icon to the task bar?
2. How do you install the java plug-in (tried to download to plug-ins folder, but it doesn't work there - and I thought Mozilla had Java included)
3. Do all plug-ins "go" into plug-in folder. Is it ever appropriate to load a plug-in file to windows programs folder?

Comments: (Brief) Is a little buggy, and IMHO, not that much faster than IE - but I love the idea of using open source and not using bill g's M$ stuff ...

Edit: I love the tabbed browsing feature ...





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November 18, 2003 6:09:43 PM

1) To add a quick launch icon, you just right click on the Firebird icon and drag it to the quick launch tab on your task bar. Then you select create a shortcut here and it's done.

2) I'm also having problems installing Java. If I succeed I'll share how.

3)I don't know.

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November 18, 2003 6:35:23 PM

Java applets work fine on mine. I just installed java and thats it. Do you guys have a recent version of J2SDK or JRE installed?

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November 18, 2003 9:19:41 PM

Would you like to provide some links - and the location where you installed the Java prgm - was in Windows/Prgm files - or in the Firebird Plug-in Folder as the instructions direct?


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November 18, 2003 9:40:15 PM

This is how my system is:

J2SDK 1.4.2 as downloaded from <A HREF="http://java.sun.com" target="_new">http://java.sun.com&lt;/A>. Installed the usual way, double clicking the file etc...

I installed it in c:\sd\j2. I think it usually prompts for c:\java. All my software dev tools go in c:\sd.

With Firebird I just unzipped the archive to c:\opt\comms\firebird.

And it works fine. Java applets load and everything...


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November 19, 2003 5:58:14 PM

I don't really understand how you did the install. What archive did you unziped in the firebird folder? The download off Sun site is an installer if I'm not mistaking.

I already have J2SDK 1.4.something and I installed it. But now I only want the plugin without having to reinstall the whole SDK all over again. Also, reinstalling the whole SDK is not really an option since I had a lot of problems installing it. (It's a long story involving Microsoft JVM, Matlab and a lot of registry editing).

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November 20, 2003 4:16:31 AM

<A HREF="http://texturizer.net/firebird/faq.html#q2.2" target="_new">Java install instructions for firebird</A>

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