PROOF! TNT2 LAYS WASTE TO MX200!

[Crashman]

My test
<A HREF="http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare.shtml?2067265" target="_new">http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare.shtml?2067265</A>
You may recall that the same crappy Celeron 850 system showed around 2700 in the same test with the MX200. With the TNT2 it shows 3200.
Same system. Same hardware. Same softare state. Both cards overclocked, TNT2 at 150/190, MX200 at 220/190.
Both cards came with 6ns memory, but the TNT2 has a 128 bit data path while the MX200 only 64 bit. The TNT2 was not a Pro or Ultra, but a standard OEM card pulled from a Dell. Most of us know that memory speed is the major limmiting factor in any GeForce 2 card. But some people doubted that such an old card could beet such a new card. Matisario, are you listening?


Back to you Tom...

 

[Guest]

try it with 4X enabled next time!

 

[Crashman]

Whatever. That test was on a BX system.
ON a PIII 933 system with AGP4x enabled the MX200 still barely passed 2900. So the TNT2 still wins, even on a system with a slower processor, bus speed, and AGP2x. In fact AGP4x is only good for a 0-7% increase with nearly any card, except maybe the newest GeForce3 and Radeon 8500 cards.
You don't seem to understand anything about the subject if you think the MX200 is a better card. It only has a 64-bit memory path. If you don't know what that means or how it affects performance, I can't help you. I defy you to do a test on the MX200 that puts it in a better light.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Guest]

-LOL-

 

[AMD_Man]

You may recall that the same crappy Celeron 850 system showed around 2700 in the same test with the MX200. With the TNT2 it shows 3200.
Same system. Same hardware. Same softare state. Both cards overclocked, TNT2 at 150/190, MX200 at 220/190.

Was there ever a doubt?

For those of you who answer yes then go do some research!


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[Crashman]

I seem to remember a certain otherwise respectable member of this forum arguing agiant these results a few weeks ago.

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[flamethrower205]

hehe, MX is so bad. I always knew it, now there's proof.

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[Crashman]

I can get around 5800 from an MX400 on my PIII 933 system. The MX200 is exactly half of an MX400 just as the name implies.

Back to you Tom...

 

[Matisaro]

Cool, I stand corrected. I just checked madonion scores from your origional post cause it didint sound right, its not like I made it a battle cry.

PS: thanks for calling me a respected member of the forum
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PPS: please run the test at stock.



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[Crashman]

I don't have the MX200 anymore so I can't give you a stock to stock comparison. I can't even remember what the stock score was for the MX200, the overclocked scores were bad enough!

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[AEboy128]

My voodoo3 1k at 140/140 stock of 128/128 gets 2900 at 140/140

My system: <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946</A>

 

[Crashman]

But that's on a much faster system, the TNT2 would probably do at least 3500 on yours. The Celeron is about 30% slower than a PIII of equal speed/bus speed, and all the Athlon guys will tell you that a T-Bird performs better clock for clock than a PIII. Plus the speed difference and you memory operating at a higher clock rate. Since 3D-Mark 2000 is so processor dependant, I'd say this TNT2 better do around 4000 on your system, or else your system isn't running right!

Back to you Tom...

 

[flamethrower205]

Ok, building a music system for my friend, and I assume that doesn't need a top of the line vid card. So, would a TNT2 do? If so, where could I get it. I can get an mx200 for $52. Or would a Gf 256 DDR be better than all of those?

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[AMD_Man]

Get an MX400!!!!!! It's only a few dollars extra but nearly twice the performance!

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

 

[AEboy128]

True my TNT2 m64 16mb AGP got a best of 2556 on mine. I thought the TNT2 had pretty poor 2d so i put my old 3dfx in.

My system: <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946</A>

 

[Crashman]

The M64 is castrated in the same way as the MX200-they cut the bandwidth in half. The TNT2 gets about 70% better scores of the TNT2-M64, I would think, based on my test of the MX and the MX200, where the MX did about 70% better.

Back to you Tom...

 

[AEboy128]

As soon as i get a radeon 7500 or 8500 that tnt2 m64 will be on ebay. I knew that the processor/mem/and so on are the reasons that the m64 is scoring where it is.

My system: <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=8946</A>

 

[Crashman]

GeForce 256DDR, or better yet a Radeon LE for around $60 at <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com</A>

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[flamethrower205]

They don't have any Gf 256's, but I'll just get the Radeon 32MB VE- is this any good? (Woah, I just realized I'm buying an Ati vid card!)

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[flamethrower205]

The VE has good 2d performance, right?

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[AMD_Man]

Yes

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

 

[Crashman]

No, it's garbage, like the MX200. Get the LE instead. If you want any special features I suggest the LE-TVO.

Back to you Tom...

 

[AMD_Man]

He asked about 2D, not 3D!

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

 

[flamethrower205]

The problem is that I wish to buy all the stuff from one place, so as to save on shipping. Although I could save $ by going w/ different companies for parts, the shipping costs would be huge. Do you think newegg may get LE's by Thanksgiving? Also, what is the difference between the two?

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[Crashman]

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-102-165-01.JPG/14-102-165-02.JPG" target="_new">Here it is</A>. They also carry a few MX400's for a few dollars less. Rememer than the LE has the full Radion chip and DDR SDRAM. The 32MB LE outperforms the 64MB SDR card.

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