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October 19, 2001 1:21:30 AM

Im building a new system,mainly for gaming,videos and music.Im already set on the Amd 1.2 but i have no idea where to go from here.Im going for a rather cheap card,bellow 200$ so forget G3 or Radeon 8500.Really right now im leaning towards a GTS 32 mb,but the Kyro 2 Seems like a good choice also for 10 bucks less.Some info i should mention,i don't find 32 bit depth very important and i don't think ill use res above 1024.So whats my best bet?If a Geforce more reliable than Kyro? and what about radeon for a guy who wont use 32 bit depth?

Thank you all.

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October 19, 2001 3:27:52 AM

Well, for about 160 after shipping, you can get a Radeon All-In-Wonder 32MB DDR card, or the Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO. It will give you all sorts of fun video in and out fuctions, great playback, and some good decient game performance, and extra video input and output features. With your rig, you can easily run at 32 Bit color, and even not at that, you get very good performance.

However, that's just my opinion. If you want simply pure game performance, an Nvidia won't do you wrong either. If you go that route, you can actualy probably swing a Ti-200 64MB DDR for about 200 (I saw one at best buy, so online might be even cheeper)

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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2001 6:00:58 PM

Thanks,ill check what kind of prices i can get ont hose over here (Canada).Not as easy with our fake money,and higher prices,so far heres how it goes:
Kyro 2 = 149.99
Gts = 159.99
Mx400 = 119.99
Radeon =???.??

Thanks again.
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October 19, 2001 6:06:37 PM

For those prices, I'd go with a MX400. Good performance, good value. Try to get DDR mem on it though. The performance boost you'll get from DDR will be well worth it. 32 MB should be fine if you're thinking between 32 and 64.

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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2001 6:42:18 PM

Check out pricewatch.com for prices:

GeForce3 Ti200 -- $174.00 (American)
ATI Radeon 8500 -- $208.00 (American)

If ou can really go up to $200, one of these cards would be great. Go with ATI if you're planning on any TV/Video usage.

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October 19, 2001 7:31:46 PM

When you say video do you mean capture or DVD/MPEG playback? This is a distinct difference.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2001 9:04:50 PM

Well i did mention i was Canadian,so to buy at those prices (Us currency) even at 208 id have to shell out 300 Can.So no G3 or 8500 for me.

As for the Mx400,after watching the benchmark results on this site i believe the extra performance of the GTS is well worth the extra 30 bucks or so.Hey you know what? Ill give you guys the adress of the store im planning to buy my pc at,they have a price list there in pdf format,under "Liste de prix".the front page seems to be in french only but the list and all is billingual.So if any of you feel like let me know what you would buy with a 1000$ tax in maximum.My email is yan_g@metacrawler.com

http://www.micro-extreme.com/

Thanks you all.
October 21, 2001 7:42:35 PM

get the ti 200 for $173 via

computershopper.zdnet.com
a b U Graphics card
October 21, 2001 8:23:39 PM

You have no idea what your talking about. Th MX/MX400 can be configured with either SDR on a 128-bit path or DDR on a 64-bit path. Since DDR is not 100% faster than SDR, and it has a 50% narrower data path on these cards, DDR is actually slower than SDR. This can be seen in the poor performance of the original Creative DDR MX card.

Back to you Tom...
October 22, 2001 12:03:21 AM

are you sure about that?
when DDR was used with P4X266 it gained a memory band 30% uder the original RDRAM, so i dont know about that..

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a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2001 1:44:45 AM

Explain please?
Concerning the Video cards, DDR would ideally be twice as fast as SDR, but it isn't quite that good. Almost, but not quite twice as fast.
Now 128-bit is twice as fast as 64-bit memory pathways. The MX200 uses a 64-bit path, which is why the old TNT2 is faster in games (it has a 128-bit path). The original MX was better than the MX200 because it allowed either a 128-bit SDR or a 64-bit DDR path. 128-bit SDR is slighlty faster than 64-bit DDR. There is no 128-bit DDR available for any version of the MX, you need to get a GeForce256 DDR, GF2 GTS, Pro, or Ultra in order to get that. So DDR on the MX is a bad idea. RDRAM is not used on these cards.

Back to you Tom...
October 22, 2001 1:53:07 AM

Actually, that's not a totally fair example. The Creative MX DDR card ran it's RAM at 143MHz rather than the default 166MHz.

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a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2001 2:22:41 AM

I don't think there are actually any DDR MX400's but if there were, it would be technically impossible for them to outperform the SDR version simply because of the 64-bit limit the MX has for DDR.

Back to you Tom...
Anonymous
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October 22, 2001 5:28:30 AM

Well for the difference in price ill go with the GTS,much simpler.Another thing is that the MSI mx 400 is only clocked at 175 instead of 200,go figure,and as crashman said i don't think its available with ddr.

So 159.99 for a MSI GTS 2 i think is my best bet.

A last question,if i was to need a vid cap card,whats the best option? Separate card or "all in one" with my vid card?And if i choose the lastest do i HAVE to go with a ATI All-in-Wonder? Im not crazy about ATI products but i rarely see any other options.

Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2001 5:55:49 AM

You could also get a separate input card with a TV-Tuner and have all the input features of the AIW.

I'll sell you a GTS with an oversized heatsink/fan for overclocking and standard 6ns DDR ram for $90. I'll also sell you the full version ATI TV-Wonder (the full version includes both S-Video and Composite inputs) for $60.

Several of the forum members have done business with me and can attest for my honest dealings.

Back to you Tom...
October 22, 2001 10:12:49 AM

yea i bought a G3 from him..now i use that as a heat sink...go figure..

btw i cant expact DDR to use all the band olnly to increase it and use maximum band, its like the ATA100, it should run 100Mbs but it only does a 40(in best cases).

i think its a question of tube langth and memory speed.


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