Are Arts students truly dumber than Science students?

[Reynod]

Make your case here ... it will be scored by Engineering students and for a small fee you can learn the truth.

For a larger fee we will explain the scoring system.

For a large research grant we will baffle you with figures for a couple of years.

For a top job in an Oil and Gas Company we will quietly sit in the background puling a decent wage and pointing the bone at everyone else while spewing tons of oil onto your shores.

Engineering ... we will claim its ours when it works ... and when it all goes to pot its someone elses fault.

Engineering ... hiding behind great maths for at least a couple of thousand years ...

 

[neiroatopelcc]

You can't measure interlect by what a person has chosen to study.

Some would argue that a rocket scientist is brilliant, and a monk in tibet isn't. This is because the scientist seems really good at figuring stuff out, and seems to have rational solutions to problems.
But the monk might be much much smarter. He doesn't seem to brag about it, and he concentrates his efforts on what he thinks is important, rather than what he thinks will give him the greatest honor or wager.
In a post worldwar 3 who of them will be smarter? the monk, with his massive amount of diversified knowledge and perhaps naive perspective of the world, or the super specialist scientist who knows seemingly everything about something, but has no clue about most anything else?
I think they're both brilliant in their different ways. But I don't think that the one with the highest wager or the best title is smarter than the other.

So if an art student is truely gifted at whatever art he fancies, there's no reason he is less smart than some renowned biologist.

The world remembers many scientists from Achimedes to Einstein, but Da vinci, van goch or vivaldi aren't forgotten either. Different specialties, but possibly no less extraordinary and intelligent.

 

[Reynod]

Interlect ... not an English major I see ??

 

[Reynod]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/18/2930321.htm

Science students struggle with labels on packages ... possible link to low levels of literacy.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I once got into an argument with a rather cute sociology or maybe history major in college. She insisted that scientists & engineers had formed some secret society and were withholding knowledge from everyone, while claiming that the laws of science were the only true laws, and thus maintaining a monopoly on discoveries and technology. So she said she would go discover her own laws of nature (yeah, good luck with that one, cutie-pie) and then develop her own technology based on said new laws. IOW, she would invent automobiles, TVs, radio, airplanes, etc all based on non-scientific laws & principles, and then share them with the rest of the non-science world so as to kill our monopoly .

That was after a couple of beers at a party. After about 4 more apiece we wound up in the sack together and she never did go off inventing her own stuff - probably a good thing since I doubt I'd wanna fly in a jet based on historical principles rather than aerodynamic principles .

 

[Reynod]

Many heads .... <possible scenario> ... ??

 

[buwish]

Eh, I'm sure that it equals out at some point. If you were to take a poll of what members of MENSA, for example studied at college (those that went), it would probably be split down the middle, i.e. arts and sciences. But that's just a guess.

 

[pjmelect]

A measure of intelligence is how much money you make. The people in the arts tend to earn more than engineers so they must be more intelligent. I am an engineer and it pi*ses me off how we are under appreciated by society.

 

[Reynod]

I agree ... we need more engineers.

Specifically more engineers trained in plugging holes !!

 

[smile9999]

I honestly believe it depends on the country, I am an engineer and engineers here make *** load of money and art students are kindergarten teachers with less than 500EGP equivalent of 100$ a month

but I wont deny that they are both useful, we are not machines after all, we need creativity and art and also mathematics but it just seems that if we only relied on art we would all be drawing cave drawings

 

[Reynod]

So thats why we invented paper ... as we ran out of caves.

Insightful !!

hehh heh ...

Glad to have you here smile9999.

 

[MU_Engineer]

Are arts student dumber than science students? Maybe. On one hand, arts students are dumb enough to spend a bunch of money on a college degree that ranges from not very marketable to "walk straight from the stage to the welfare office after graduation." However, science students are dumb enough to bust their tails in college to be able to bust their tails in a job just to pay a bunch in taxes to pay for the federal grants for arts students to party during college and the unemployed arts majors to sit at home and relax on the dole.

 

[MU_Engineer]

A measure of intelligence is how much money you make.

Not really. How much money you make is a measure of how much people are willing to pay for what you do (or claim to do.) A lot of people who are not very intelligent make a lot of money- just look at Hollywood.

The people in the arts tend to earn more than engineers so they must be more intelligent.

They generally do not make more than engineers. Some actors and public personalities make a lot of money, but a lot of arts majors are in jobs like teaching and entry-level retail/service jobs that pay a lot less than engineering.

I am an engineer and it pi*ses me off how we are under appreciated by society.

The under-appreciation is mostly in the "he's an engineer so he must be a socially awkward virgin" social stigma. Most engineers do pretty well financially. There aren't any "starving engineer" sales down at the convention center, but there sure as hell are ones for "starving artists." Also, I've never seen an engineer ask me if I want fries with that. Can't say the same for "womyns and gender studies" majors, dance/theater majors, or other arts majors.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Are arts student dumber than science students? Maybe. On one hand, arts students are dumb enough to spend a bunch of money on a college degree that ranges from not very marketable to "walk straight from the stage to the welfare office after graduation." However, science students are dumb enough to bust their tails in college to be able to bust their tails in a job just to pay a bunch in taxes to pay for the federal grants for arts students to party during college and the unemployed arts majors to sit at home and relax on the dole.

LOL - well put! Not to mention consistent with the current administration's emphasis on wealth redistribution .

My daughter is (finally!) graduating from URI with a degree in "Marine Affairs", which contrary to what it sounds like, is not PopEye boinking Olive Oyl . Instead, it's a combination of business & economics, ecology/biology and legal issues. One (esp. one shelling out over $13K per semester just for tuition) would think that would be quite the ticket, what with BP & their oil (not Oyl) spill. However she hasn't gone to one on-campus recruiting event so far, and has recently announced her intention to go on to nursing school. I managed to keep from choking out "so a $150K piece of paper on the wall is all you'll have to show for 4.5 years of studying for this degree???", and merely informed her that once she gets her bachelor's degree, my job is done and she'll have to work her way through nursing school, or get a student loan, or both. So here's one engineer whose 'dumbness' only extends 4.5 years ...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

The under-appreciation is mostly in the "he's an engineer so he must be a socially awkward virgin" social stigma. Most engineers do pretty well financially. There aren't any "starving engineer" sales down at the convention center, but there sure as hell are ones for "starving artists." Also, I've never seen an engineer ask me if I want fries with that. Can't say the same for "womyns and gender studies" majors, dance/theater majors, or other arts majors.

Quite true - an engineer can generally find a good job without too much trouble, unless s/he's been out of the industry or school for a pretty long time and would be considered too rusty. And age is generally less important too. My wife's cousin, who currently lives with us and who turns 32 later this month, is dating a divorced EE who is almost 60 and who wants to move to the DC area to be near his honeypot . So when he came down last month to "meet the family", I mentioned that my company is hiring EEs, esp. ones with extensive biomedical instrumentation experience like he has, and that his starting salary could be as much as $90K as a new recruit. To which he replied he already had some tentative offers in the $270K range. Which is more than I make after 20+ years .

So I let him pay the restaurant tab .

 

[MU_Engineer]

LOL - well put! Not to mention consistent with the current administration's emphasis on wealth redistribution .

Especially with the current rules on student loans. The government is the only lender and they give forbearances and deferrments based on income level. They also forgive balances after a certain amount of time (I think 20 years?) Thus, people can go get an unmarketable degree or degrees at a very expensive school, defer payments, and then have us pick up most of the tab later.

My daughter is (finally!) graduating from URI with a degree in "Marine Affairs", which contrary to what it sounds like, is not PopEye boinking Olive Oyl . Instead, it's a combination of business & economics, ecology/biology and legal issues. One (esp. one shelling out over $13K per semester just for tuition) would think that would be quite the ticket, what with BP & their oil (not Oyl) spill. However she hasn't gone to one on-campus recruiting event so far, and has recently announced her intention to go on to nursing school. I managed to keep from choking out "so a $150K piece of paper on the wall is all you'll have to show for 4.5 years of studying for this degree???", and merely informed her that once she gets her bachelor's degree, my job is done and she'll have to work her way through nursing school, or get a student loan, or both. So here's one engineer whose 'dumbness' only extends 4.5 years ...

Well, she'll realize pretty quickly realize what money really means when she has to do it on her own.

 

[Reynod]

Quite true - an engineer can generally find a good job without too much trouble, unless s/he's been out of the industry or school for a pretty long time and would be considered too rusty. And age is generally less important too. My wife's cousin, who currently lives with us and who turns 32 later this month, is dating a divorced EE who is almost 60 and who wants to move to the DC area to be near his honeypot . So when he came down last month to "meet the family", I mentioned that my company is hiring EEs, esp. ones with extensive biomedical instrumentation experience like he has, and that his starting salary could be as much as $90K as a new recruit. To which he replied he already had some tentative offers in the $270K range. Which is more than I make after 20+ years .

So I let him pay the restaurant tab .

Brilliant fazers ...

MU ... I see my "honeypot" finally snagged a real engineer.

heh heh.

Give us a rundown on Bulldozer next month will you?
JF (on another forum) mentioned AMD were releasing more info at the Hot Chips / Circuit / Conference ... I'll PM you anything I get.

I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Cheers.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

^ Reported for excessive spamming and insufficient intelligence..

 

[Orac]

Hmm...right brain only vs left brain only = they're only half as smart as they think they are.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Whoa, I guess a mod deleted the spam post I was referring to as reported.

Sorry Reynod I wasn't replying to your post..

 

[Reynod]

Fazers We have been getting a lot of spam lately mate and the team is destrying it as fast as it comes in ... helping by reporting it is really appreciated ... your doing us all a favour.

If we had to do it manually we would never get a chance to post somethign silly !!

he hehh.

 

[jsc]

... Instead, they are doing other useles trials that don't even work. Hello, Endo works and they are not doing anything? Hello!

Can't blame the scientists for that. Much of the trials business is politically driven.

OTOH, look at thalidomide. Great sedative. Very few side effects - as long as you aren't pregnant.

 

[mrmez]

I don't see it as a question of dumb or not...
If you had to choose, what could you live without?

Transistors, suspension bridges and atomic bombs?
Or music, painting and sculpture?

I'd mourn the loss of either but a world without art... i may as well just be a robot.

An artist never had anything to do with war or weapon. Are engineers smart for building a device that can destroy out planet?

 

[tony singh]

Well im a comp engg, having variour frnds from arts n comerce bckgrnd, what ive cm 2 c is yes engineers in general r smarter than arts ppl as well as earn much more (twice in my case) but therez no reason to say that enggs r the only smart species, others r smarter 2.

Not 2 mention the talent n hardwork 2 bcome a sucessful engineer is substantially more!!

 

[ksampanna]

In a nutshell, Arts is fine for the fairer sex who anyway have to rear babies for the rest of their lives.
Leave the engg to us ladies, we need that to earn both of us some bread (not that we get much anyway).

Being an engg undergrad myself, I can tell you a plum offer is hit or miss. Hit & you're set. Miss & you bust your butt for a pittance compared to what you could make post a management school after an Arts degree.