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Are Arts students truly dumber than Science students?

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May 23, 2010 11:02:16 AM

Make your case here ... it will be scored by Engineering students and for a small fee you can learn the truth.

For a larger fee we will explain the scoring system.

For a large research grant we will baffle you with figures for a couple of years.

For a top job in an Oil and Gas Company we will quietly sit in the background puling a decent wage and pointing the bone at everyone else while spewing tons of oil onto your shores.

Engineering ... we will claim its ours when it works ... and when it all goes to pot its someone elses fault.

Engineering ... hiding behind great maths for at least a couple of thousand years ...
May 25, 2010 2:28:43 PM

You can't measure interlect by what a person has chosen to study.

Some would argue that a rocket scientist is brilliant, and a monk in tibet isn't. This is because the scientist seems really good at figuring stuff out, and seems to have rational solutions to problems.
But the monk might be much much smarter. He doesn't seem to brag about it, and he concentrates his efforts on what he thinks is important, rather than what he thinks will give him the greatest honor or wager.
In a post worldwar 3 who of them will be smarter? the monk, with his massive amount of diversified knowledge and perhaps naive perspective of the world, or the super specialist scientist who knows seemingly everything about something, but has no clue about most anything else?
I think they're both brilliant in their different ways. But I don't think that the one with the highest wager or the best title is smarter than the other.

So if an art student is truely gifted at whatever art he fancies, there's no reason he is less smart than some renowned biologist.

The world remembers many scientists from Achimedes to Einstein, but Da vinci, van goch or vivaldi aren't forgotten either. Different specialties, but possibly no less extraordinary and intelligent.
May 27, 2010 3:04:07 PM

Interlect ... not an English major I see ??
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June 18, 2010 4:15:54 PM

I once got into an argument with a rather cute sociology or maybe history major in college. She insisted that scientists & engineers had formed some secret society and were withholding knowledge from everyone, while claiming that the laws of science were the only true laws, and thus maintaining a monopoly on discoveries and technology. So she said she would go discover her own laws of nature (yeah, good luck with that one, cutie-pie) and then develop her own technology based on said new laws. IOW, she would invent automobiles, TVs, radio, airplanes, etc all based on non-scientific laws & principles, and then share them with the rest of the non-science world so as to kill our monopoly :p .

That was after a couple of beers at a party. After about 4 more apiece we wound up in the sack together and she never did go off inventing her own stuff - probably a good thing since I doubt I'd wanna fly in a jet based on historical principles rather than aerodynamic principles :D .
June 19, 2010 3:47:16 PM

Many heads .... <possible scenario> ... ??
June 21, 2010 10:55:16 PM

Eh, I'm sure that it equals out at some point. If you were to take a poll of what members of MENSA, for example studied at college (those that went), it would probably be split down the middle, i.e. arts and sciences. But that's just a guess.
June 22, 2010 12:01:37 AM

A measure of intelligence is how much money you make. The people in the arts tend to earn more than engineers so they must be more intelligent. I am an engineer and it pi*ses me off how we are under appreciated by society.
June 22, 2010 10:04:58 AM

I agree ... we need more engineers.

Specifically more engineers trained in plugging holes !!
June 22, 2010 1:42:10 PM

I honestly believe it depends on the country, I am an engineer and engineers here make *** load of money and art students are kindergarten teachers with less than 500EGP equivalent of 100$ a month :) 

but I wont deny that they are both useful, we are not machines after all, we need creativity and art and also mathematics but it just seems that if we only relied on art we would all be drawing cave drawings
June 23, 2010 11:34:44 PM

So thats why we invented paper ... as we ran out of caves.

Insightful !!

hehh heh ...

Glad to have you here smile9999.

July 7, 2010 8:17:26 PM

Are arts student dumber than science students? Maybe. On one hand, arts students are dumb enough to spend a bunch of money on a college degree that ranges from not very marketable to "walk straight from the stage to the welfare office after graduation." However, science students are dumb enough to bust their tails in college to be able to bust their tails in a job just to pay a bunch in taxes to pay for the federal grants for arts students to party during college and the unemployed arts majors to sit at home and relax on the dole.

July 7, 2010 8:30:38 PM

pjmelect said:
A measure of intelligence is how much money you make.


Not really. How much money you make is a measure of how much people are willing to pay for what you do (or claim to do.) A lot of people who are not very intelligent make a lot of money- just look at Hollywood.

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The people in the arts tend to earn more than engineers so they must be more intelligent.


They generally do not make more than engineers. Some actors and public personalities make a lot of money, but a lot of arts majors are in jobs like teaching and entry-level retail/service jobs that pay a lot less than engineering.

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I am an engineer and it pi*ses me off how we are under appreciated by society.


The under-appreciation is mostly in the "he's an engineer so he must be a socially awkward virgin" social stigma. Most engineers do pretty well financially. There aren't any "starving engineer" sales down at the convention center, but there sure as hell are ones for "starving artists." Also, I've never seen an engineer ask me if I want fries with that. Can't say the same for "womyns and gender studies" majors, dance/theater majors, or other arts majors.
July 7, 2010 8:39:41 PM

MU_Engineer said:
Are arts student dumber than science students? Maybe. On one hand, arts students are dumb enough to spend a bunch of money on a college degree that ranges from not very marketable to "walk straight from the stage to the welfare office after graduation." However, science students are dumb enough to bust their tails in college to be able to bust their tails in a job just to pay a bunch in taxes to pay for the federal grants for arts students to party during college and the unemployed arts majors to sit at home and relax on the dole.


LOL - well put! Not to mention consistent with the current administration's emphasis on wealth redistribution :p .

My daughter is (finally!) graduating from URI with a degree in "Marine Affairs", which contrary to what it sounds like, is not PopEye boinking Olive Oyl :D . Instead, it's a combination of business & economics, ecology/biology and legal issues. One (esp. one shelling out over $13K per semester just for tuition) would think that would be quite the ticket, what with BP & their oil (not Oyl) spill. However she hasn't gone to one on-campus recruiting event so far, and has recently announced her intention to go on to nursing school. I managed to keep from choking out "so a $150K piece of paper on the wall is all you'll have to show for 4.5 years of studying for this degree???", and merely informed her that once she gets her bachelor's degree, my job is done and she'll have to work her way through nursing school, or get a student loan, or both. So here's one engineer whose 'dumbness' only extends 4.5 years :p ...

July 7, 2010 8:54:11 PM

MU_Engineer said:
The under-appreciation is mostly in the "he's an engineer so he must be a socially awkward virgin" social stigma. Most engineers do pretty well financially. There aren't any "starving engineer" sales down at the convention center, but there sure as hell are ones for "starving artists." Also, I've never seen an engineer ask me if I want fries with that. Can't say the same for "womyns and gender studies" majors, dance/theater majors, or other arts majors.


Quite true - an engineer can generally find a good job without too much trouble, unless s/he's been out of the industry or school for a pretty long time and would be considered too rusty. And age is generally less important too. My wife's cousin, who currently lives with us and who turns 32 later this month, is dating a divorced EE who is almost 60 and who wants to move to the DC area to be near his honeypot :p . So when he came down last month to "meet the family", I mentioned that my company is hiring EEs, esp. ones with extensive biomedical instrumentation experience like he has, and that his starting salary could be as much as $90K as a new recruit. To which he replied he already had some tentative offers in the $270K range. Which is more than I make after 20+ years :p .

So I let him pay the restaurant tab :D .
July 7, 2010 8:59:57 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
LOL - well put! Not to mention consistent with the current administration's emphasis on wealth redistribution :p .


Especially with the current rules on student loans. The government is the only lender and they give forbearances and deferrments based on income level. They also forgive balances after a certain amount of time (I think 20 years?) Thus, people can go get an unmarketable degree or degrees at a very expensive school, defer payments, and then have us pick up most of the tab later.

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My daughter is (finally!) graduating from URI with a degree in "Marine Affairs", which contrary to what it sounds like, is not PopEye boinking Olive Oyl :D . Instead, it's a combination of business & economics, ecology/biology and legal issues. One (esp. one shelling out over $13K per semester just for tuition) would think that would be quite the ticket, what with BP & their oil (not Oyl) spill. However she hasn't gone to one on-campus recruiting event so far, and has recently announced her intention to go on to nursing school. I managed to keep from choking out "so a $150K piece of paper on the wall is all you'll have to show for 4.5 years of studying for this degree???", and merely informed her that once she gets her bachelor's degree, my job is done and she'll have to work her way through nursing school, or get a student loan, or both. So here's one engineer whose 'dumbness' only extends 4.5 years :p ...


Well, she'll realize pretty quickly realize what money really means when she has to do it on her own.
July 15, 2010 12:53:19 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
Quite true - an engineer can generally find a good job without too much trouble, unless s/he's been out of the industry or school for a pretty long time and would be considered too rusty. And age is generally less important too. My wife's cousin, who currently lives with us and who turns 32 later this month, is dating a divorced EE who is almost 60 and who wants to move to the DC area to be near his honeypot :p . So when he came down last month to "meet the family", I mentioned that my company is hiring EEs, esp. ones with extensive biomedical instrumentation experience like he has, and that his starting salary could be as much as $90K as a new recruit. To which he replied he already had some tentative offers in the $270K range. Which is more than I make after 20+ years :p .

So I let him pay the restaurant tab :D .


Brilliant fazers ...

MU ... I see my "honeypot" finally snagged a real engineer.

heh heh.

Give us a rundown on Bulldozer next month will you?
JF (on another forum) mentioned AMD were releasing more info at the Hot Chips / Circuit / Conference ... I'll PM you anything I get.

I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Cheers.
July 15, 2010 8:18:01 PM

^ Reported for excessive spamming and insufficient intelligence..
July 15, 2010 9:05:23 PM

Hmm...right brain only vs left brain only = they're only half as smart as they think they are.
July 15, 2010 10:12:17 PM

Whoa, I guess a mod deleted the spam post I was referring to as reported.

Sorry Reynod I wasn't replying to your post..
July 16, 2010 12:25:25 AM

Fazers We have been getting a lot of spam lately mate and the team is destrying it as fast as it comes in ... helping by reporting it is really appreciated ... your doing us all a favour.

If we had to do it manually we would never get a chance to post somethign silly !!

he hehh.

July 16, 2010 3:47:26 PM

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... Instead, they are doing other useles trials that don't even work. Hello, Endo works and they are not doing anything? Hello!

Can't blame the scientists for that. Much of the trials business is politically driven.

OTOH, look at thalidomide. Great sedative. Very few side effects - as long as you aren't pregnant.
July 17, 2010 4:43:37 AM

I don't see it as a question of dumb or not...
If you had to choose, what could you live without?

Transistors, suspension bridges and atomic bombs?
Or music, painting and sculpture?

I'd mourn the loss of either but a world without art... i may as well just be a robot.

An artist never had anything to do with war or weapon. Are engineers smart for building a device that can destroy out planet?
July 17, 2010 5:01:57 AM

Well im a comp engg, having variour frnds from arts n comerce bckgrnd, what ive cm 2 c is yes engineers in general r smarter than arts ppl as well as earn much more (twice in my case) but therez no reason to say that enggs r the only smart species, others r smarter 2.

Not 2 mention the talent n hardwork 2 bcome a sucessful engineer is substantially more!!
July 17, 2010 7:17:16 AM

In a nutshell, Arts is fine for the fairer sex who anyway have to rear babies for the rest of their lives.
Leave the engg to us ladies, we need that to earn both of us some bread (not that we get much anyway).

Being an engg undergrad myself, I can tell you a plum offer is hit or miss. Hit & you're set. Miss & you bust your butt for a pittance compared to what you could make post a management school after an Arts degree.
July 18, 2010 3:41:17 PM

mrmez said:
An artist never had anything to do with war or weapon. Are engineers smart for building a device that can destroy out planet?


Actually, history has it that Adolf Hitler was a painter.

A house-painter to be exact, but still ... :p 
July 18, 2010 3:45:41 PM

OK, I propose a simple vote, so as to settle this question as to which are smarter - arts students or science students. Everybody ready??

ALL ARTS STUDENTS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS SO YOU CAN BE COUNTED.

:D 
July 19, 2010 1:36:58 AM

fazers_on_stun said:
Actually, history has it that Adolf Hitler was a painter.

A house-painter to be exact, but still ... :p 


I thought he was studying to be an architectural artist?
Either way, he should have stuck to painting, and chilled the fk out.
July 19, 2010 11:22:07 AM

Just curious?

Does anyone think I'm stupid?

Because I AM an arts student.

:) 
July 19, 2010 11:49:05 AM

Your a high school student ...

Get your homework done or you won't have any option but to study Arts ... lol.
July 19, 2010 3:44:11 PM

mrmez said:
I thought he was studying to be an architectural artist?
Either way, he should have stuck to painting, and chilled the fk out.


Hmm, I heard he worked as a house painter after WW I so as to be able to afford his beer tab at the Hofbrau bierstube (where he and some others formed the National Socialist or Nazi party in the '20s), in Munich. I actually drank a few beers there myself - other than Hitler having been a customer, not much claim to fame IMHO. I think he was also writing Mein Kampf at the time. And yes the world would have been far better off if he had choked on a Wienerschnitzel or fallen off his painting ladder or gotten fatal writers cramp :p .
July 19, 2010 3:46:22 PM

amdfangirl said:
Just curious?

Does anyone think I'm stupid?

Because I AM an arts student.

:) 


Whoa - long time no see, AFG :p . Anyway, you're the exception that makes the rule, 'kay? :kaola: 

Also, I should point out that you misspelled "extraordinaire" in your sig - that makes you more of a science or engineer type obviously :D .
July 20, 2010 8:30:41 AM

I did it on purpose to prove how smart I am.
July 20, 2010 9:13:56 AM

Well Im not going to judge which is smarter, I know for a fact that if I (an engineering student) did an arts degree I would fail hard, because thats just not what Im good at. But Ive heard a couple jokes which I thought Id share with u guys.

Ok, so what the difference between an Arts student and a park bench?
At least the park bench can support a family of 4...

A new product has just been developed, and it is given to several students and their responses are noted:

Accounting Student: How much does it cost?
Science Student: Why does it work?
Engineering Student: How does it work?
Arts Student: Would you like chips with that?
July 20, 2010 9:19:23 AM

I'm an insult sponge.

People insult me and I soak it up and cut myself!

Yay!
July 20, 2010 9:36:25 AM

Ive also got some engineering jokes, it just took me a while to find them. There are tons but Ive added a couple.

Two engineering students were walking across campus when one said, "Where did you get such a great bike?"

The second engineer replied, "Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my own business when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike to the ground, took off all her clothes, and said, "Take what you want."

"The second engineer nodded approvingly, "Good choice; the clothes probably wouldn't have fit."


To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
July 20, 2010 9:43:00 AM

To AFG,

the glass is a half because AFG is too lazy to say the rest.
July 20, 2010 12:50:31 PM

OK, I heard a joke once about the difference between scientists & engineers:

As an experiment, researchers lined up 10 scientists & 10 engineers against one wall of an auditorium, and 20 beautiful naked women along the opposite wall. They then told the scientists & engineers that they were only allowed to travel half the distance between themselves and the beautiful naked women once per minute. So all the engineers immediately proceeded towards the women whereas all the scientists remained against the wall.

When asked what was the problem, all the scientists answered that since they could only travel half the distance to the women at any one time, it would take an infinite amount of time to reach the beautiful naked women. The researchers then asked the same question of the engineers, who replied that they realized they could quickly get close enough for all practical purposes. :D 
July 20, 2010 1:51:48 PM

I heard this joke once:

A scientist, an engineer, and an arts major walk into City Hall.

- The scientist was there to be congratulated by the mayor for winning a prestigious national award for a recent discovery.
- The engineer was there to submit his finalized designs for the new highway to the new industrial park, which will lead to thousands of new jobs.
- The arts major was there to collect his welfare check.
July 20, 2010 2:15:00 PM

:) 

I so love welfare.

Unlike you yanks our welfare lasts for more than 6 months.
July 20, 2010 3:17:02 PM

Not if the mad monk gets into power ...
July 20, 2010 3:53:24 PM

amdfangirl said:
:) 

I so love welfare.


You're what, 14 or something like that? I would assume you can't even collect welfare yet since you are not a legal adult.

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Unlike you yanks our welfare lasts for more than 6 months.


You're bragging about your government paying people to not work? That's what most of welfare is here, especially the disability part. I recently was talking to a guy on disability and wondered why he didn't get another job since he was on disability from a minor repetitive-motion injury that prevented him from doing only a few specific jobs, one of which he had and thus he got disability. He was otherwise perfectly healthy and could have done a bunch of other things, but he said he didn't want to go get another job because then he'd lose disability and he enjoyed taking a 99-week vacation on the taxpayer's dollar. I asked him what he did with his time as I get very bored after a few days of vacation with no major projects to accomplish. He looked at me like I was from outer space and asked me incredulously, "What, you don't have a couch and cable TV?"

And the government wonders why it is going bankrupt...
July 21, 2010 3:56:04 PM

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...also, one woman had 10 or some crazy number of kids to collect benefits form the government...welfare to be exact. She would pop out one and, wammo, got more $$$.


Hmm, you talkin' about Octo-Mom?? :p  She has 14 kids total, but got some reality TV show and a free house, so she's not on welfare.

However I do agree with your implied criticism, that people like her should not be permitted to reproduce..
July 22, 2010 4:56:28 PM

MU_Engineer said:
I heard this joke once: ...


Another engineer joke (from my former military days) ...

What's the difference between a mechanical engineer and a civil engineer?
A mechanical engineer builds weapons. A civil engineer builds targets.
July 28, 2010 2:03:46 AM

Reynod said:
Make your case here ... it will be scored by Engineering students and for a small fee you can learn the truth.

For a larger fee we will explain the scoring system.

For a large research grant we will baffle you with figures for a couple of years.

For a top job in an Oil and Gas Company we will quietly sit in the background puling a decent wage and pointing the bone at everyone else while spewing tons of oil onto your shores.

Engineering ... we will claim its ours when it works ... and when it all goes to pot its someone elses fault.

Engineering ... hiding behind great maths for at least a couple of thousand years ...



Art Students are more apraisal type people and designers of creativity like Web page Designing-Graphics-Animation-Multimedia that is their personality! Engineers are more of the craftsman the type of people that know their trade and like to repair and upgrade and mod things. Different Strokes for different folks!
January 9, 2011 2:04:19 PM

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